> Hello Group. I downloaded some pictures from my camera to my "Shared
> Documents" folder (which is shared on the network). I then tried to rotate
> some of them (from landscape to portrait) using the other machine, but it
> wouldn't let me - the commands "rotate clockwise/anti-clockwise" in the
> right-click menu were greyed out. I had to do it on the machine where the
> files were situated.
>
> Is this normal behaviour? I've "allowed network users to change my files"
> for the shared documents folder.
>
> TIA Tony.
>
>
> Computer built 2004
> Windows XP Home OEM, SP2
> 512 MB RAM
> 120 GB HD
> Avast! AV up to date
> Spybot S&D up to date
> Ad-Aware up to date
> Windows firewall only (plus hardware firewall on router)
> Part of workgroup with one other machine
>
>

"Lem" <lem***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tony Luxton wrote:
>> Hello Group. I downloaded some pictures from my camera to my "Shared
>> Documents" folder (which is shared on the network). I then tried to
>> rotate some of them (from landscape to portrait) using the other machine,
>> but it wouldn't let me - the commands "rotate clockwise/anti-clockwise"
>> in the right-click menu were greyed out. I had to do it on the machine
>> where the files were situated.
>>
>> Is this normal behaviour? I've "allowed network users to change my files"
>> for the shared documents folder.
>>
>> TIA Tony.
>>
>>
>> Computer built 2004
>> Windows XP Home OEM, SP2
>> 512 MB RAM
>> 120 GB HD
>> Avast! AV up to date
>> Spybot S&D up to date
>> Ad-Aware up to date
>> Windows firewall only (plus hardware firewall on router)
>> Part of workgroup with one other machine
>
> It may depend on how the software you're using to rotate the pictures
> works.  I had a similar problem using Canon's ZoomBrowser software.  You
> can read the explanation below, but the most straightforward thing is to
> check the permissions of the files that you can't rotate.
>
> Because you have XP Home, you'll have to do this in safe mode, and as a
> user with administrative privileges.  Right-click on a file, select
> Properties, and then the Security tab.  If you compare the permissions for
> a file that does not have the problem with one that does, you should see
> the difference (probably "Everyone" does not have modify rights to the
> problem files).  In the "Advanced" screen, make sure that the box to
> "Inherit from parent the permission entries that apply to child objects"
> is checked (this is the default).
>
> Now, right-click the folder in which the picture files are stored and go
> to the Security tab.  Click the "Advanced" button.  This time, there
> should be a second box to "Replace permission entries on all child objects
> with entries shown here that apply to child objects." Check this and OK
> out (note that this operation can't be undone). See generally,
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308418/ and
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308419/
>
>
>
> Apparently, the way Canon's "ZoomBrowser" image filing/handling software
> works is that when the EXIF information from the image file on the
> camera indicates that the picture has been taken in the vertical format,
> the software initially stores the file in C:\Windows\Temp (or other
> temporary directory) in the usual landscape (horizontal) format, then
> rotates it, and stores the rotated version in the intended target
> directory.
>
> The problem is that the Temp directory -- where the file is initially
> created -- is not shared (who would think to share the Temp directory
> !?).  And, according to KB310316, "By default, an object inherits
> permissions from its parent object, either at the time of creation or
> when it is copied or moved to its parent folder. The only exception to
> this rule occurs when you move an object to a different folder on the
> same volume. In this case, the original permissions are retained."
>
> Thus, even though the file appears to be in a folder that has the
> "shared" permission set, it has inherited the original "do not share"
> permission from the Temp directory in which it was created.
>
> --
> Lem -- MS-MVP - Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

> "Lem" <lem***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uOMfOf5AIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Tony Luxton wrote:
>>> Hello Group. I downloaded some pictures from my camera to my "Shared
>>> Documents" folder (which is shared on the network). I then tried to
>>> rotate some of them (from landscape to portrait) using the other machine,
>>> but it wouldn't let me - the commands "rotate clockwise/anti-clockwise"
>>> in the right-click menu were greyed out. I had to do it on the machine
>>> where the files were situated.
>>>
>>> Is this normal behaviour? I've "allowed network users to change my files"
>>> for the shared documents folder.
>>>
>>> TIA Tony.
>>>
>>>
>>> Computer built 2004
>>> Windows XP Home OEM, SP2
>>> 512 MB RAM
>>> 120 GB HD
>>> Avast! AV up to date
>>> Spybot S&D up to date
>>> Ad-Aware up to date
>>> Windows firewall only (plus hardware firewall on router)
>>> Part of workgroup with one other machine
>> It may depend on how the software you're using to rotate the pictures
>> works.  I had a similar problem using Canon's ZoomBrowser software.  You
>> can read the explanation below, but the most straightforward thing is to
>> check the permissions of the files that you can't rotate.
>>
>> Because you have XP Home, you'll have to do this in safe mode, and as a
>> user with administrative privileges.  Right-click on a file, select
>> Properties, and then the Security tab.  If you compare the permissions for
>> a file that does not have the problem with one that does, you should see
>> the difference (probably "Everyone" does not have modify rights to the
>> problem files).  In the "Advanced" screen, make sure that the box to
>> "Inherit from parent the permission entries that apply to child objects"
>> is checked (this is the default).
>>
>> Now, right-click the folder in which the picture files are stored and go
>> to the Security tab.  Click the "Advanced" button.  This time, there
>> should be a second box to "Replace permission entries on all child objects
>> with entries shown here that apply to child objects." Check this and OK
>> out (note that this operation can't be undone). See generally,
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308418/ and
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308419/
>>
>>
>>
>> Apparently, the way Canon's "ZoomBrowser" image filing/handling software
>> works is that when the EXIF information from the image file on the
>> camera indicates that the picture has been taken in the vertical format,
>> the software initially stores the file in C:\Windows\Temp (or other
>> temporary directory) in the usual landscape (horizontal) format, then
>> rotates it, and stores the rotated version in the intended target
>> directory.
>>
>> The problem is that the Temp directory -- where the file is initially
>> created -- is not shared (who would think to share the Temp directory
>> !?).  And, according to KB310316, "By default, an object inherits
>> permissions from its parent object, either at the time of creation or
>> when it is copied or moved to its parent folder. The only exception to
>> this rule occurs when you move an object to a different folder on the
>> same volume. In this case, the original permissions are retained."
>>
>> Thus, even though the file appears to be in a folder that has the
>> "shared" permission set, it has inherited the original "do not share"
>> permission from the Temp directory in which it was created.
>>
>> --
>> Lem -- MS-MVP - Networking
>>
>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>
> Lem, thanks for your reply.
>
> I think you're on to something - now that I think about it, the files were
> originally copied to my own "My Documents" folder (which isn't shared),
> *then* moved to the "Shared Documents" folder. (Two things happen when you
> get older - one is you lose your memory. I forget what the other one is.)
>
> You were right about the permissions - I've done that now.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> regards Tony.
>
>