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Vista & connecting to wireless routerI have a new HP laptop running Windows Vista. My Linksys AP router is set at
default settings except for the SSID and the SSID broadcast feature. With broadcasting turned on I have no trouble connecting to the router. If I turn off broadcasting I cannot connect to the router. Using the config screen for manually connecting to the router I enter the proper SSID. Vista tells me that the SSID is already configured on the computer and do I want to use that connection. I say yes and then I'm told it cannot connect. Of course, if I turn broadcasting back on I connect effortlessly. Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from me. Is this not possible? JW Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you
from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> Barb Bowmanwrote: >Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned >off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from me. >Is this not possible? -- MS Windows-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ Doing so does have value in as much as it prevents the casual neighborhood
user from connecting to the router. For example, my neighbors often see a list of available, unsecured networks and simply choose one from the list to connect to. If mine isn't in their list they aren't aware of me and do not connect. It is just this situation that I was wanting to prevent. I can do so quickly by turning off broadcasting. This works great for a Gateway laptop I have but doesn't for the HP Vista laptop. I was hoping to understand why. I realize I can simply turn on WEP and likely will. I still would like to understand why it doesn't work in Vista. If someone knows please do share! JW Show quote "Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message news:5vqkh3p2vkl5naacg7a9umpj077levt9s4@4ax.com... > Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you > from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use > WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be > broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> > wrote: > >>Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned >>off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from >>me. >>Is this not possible? > -- > > Barb Bowman > MS Windows-MVP > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx > http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ Try to find this "already configured" profile and delete it.
Open _Manage wireless networks_ - is it visible there? --PA Show quote "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> wrote in message news:13hkt0dkgd0p5d1@news.supernews.com... > Doing so does have value in as much as it prevents the casual neighborhood user from connecting to the router. For example, my > neighbors often see a list of available, unsecured networks and simply choose one from the list to connect to. If mine isn't > in their list they aren't aware of me and do not connect. It is just this situation that I was wanting to prevent. I can do so > quickly by turning off broadcasting. This works great for a Gateway laptop I have but doesn't for the HP Vista laptop. I was > hoping to understand why. I realize I can simply turn on WEP and likely will. I still would like to understand why it doesn't > work in Vista. If someone knows please do share! > > JW > > "Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message news:5vqkh3p2vkl5naacg7a9umpj077levt9s4@4ax.com... >> Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you >> from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use >> WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be >> broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. >> >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>>Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned >>>off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from me. >>>Is this not possible? >> -- >> >> Barb Bowman >> MS Windows-MVP >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ > > "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> wrote in message ACK! or rather NAK! Not only is turning off broadcasting the SSID *not* a news:13hkt0dkgd0p5d1@news.supernews.com... > Doing so does have value in as much as it prevents the casual neighborhood > user from connecting to the router. For example, my neighbors often see a > list of available, unsecured networks and simply choose one from the list > to connect to. If mine isn't in their list they aren't aware of me and do > not connect. It is just this situation that I was wanting to prevent. I > can do so quickly by turning off broadcasting. This works great for a > Gateway laptop I have but doesn't for the HP Vista laptop. I was hoping to > understand why. I realize I can simply turn on WEP and likely will. security feature; not enabling *any* security protocol such as WEP (or better still WAP2) is a security *vulnerability*. /Al Show quote > I still would like to understand why it doesn't work in Vista. If > someone knows please do share! > > JW > > "Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:5vqkh3p2vkl5naacg7a9umpj077levt9s4@4ax.com... >> Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you >> from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use >> WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be >> broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. >> >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>>Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting >>>turned >>>off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from >>>me. >>>Is this not possible? >> -- >> >> Barb Bowman >> MS Windows-MVP >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ > > WEP can be broken in the time it takes to read this thread.
Show quote On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:32:59 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> --wrote: >Doing so does have value in as much as it prevents the casual neighborhood >user from connecting to the router. For example, my neighbors often see a >list of available, unsecured networks and simply choose one from the list to >connect to. If mine isn't in their list they aren't aware of me and do not >connect. It is just this situation that I was wanting to prevent. I can do >so quickly by turning off broadcasting. This works great for a Gateway >laptop I have but doesn't for the HP Vista laptop. I was hoping to >understand why. I realize I can simply turn on WEP and likely will. I still >would like to understand why it doesn't work in Vista. If someone knows >please do share! > >JW > >"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message >news:5vqkh3p2vkl5naacg7a9umpj077levt9s4@4ax.com... >> Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you >> from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use >> WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be >> broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. >> >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>>Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned >>>off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from >>>me. >>>Is this not possible? >> -- >> >> Barb Bowman >> MS Windows-MVP >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ > Barb Bowman MS Windows-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ So there is absolutely no sense in trying to keep it even less visible?
You are right, someone who is determined to get one can. But, if you broadcast your network ID, you are encouraging those people who are not as determined to go ahead and attempt to jump on. What a joke... Show quote "Barb Bowman" wrote: > WEP can be broken in the time it takes to read this thread. > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:32:59 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> > wrote: > > >Doing so does have value in as much as it prevents the casual neighborhood > >user from connecting to the router. For example, my neighbors often see a > >list of available, unsecured networks and simply choose one from the list to > >connect to. If mine isn't in their list they aren't aware of me and do not > >connect. It is just this situation that I was wanting to prevent. I can do > >so quickly by turning off broadcasting. This works great for a Gateway > >laptop I have but doesn't for the HP Vista laptop. I was hoping to > >understand why. I realize I can simply turn on WEP and likely will. I still > >would like to understand why it doesn't work in Vista. If someone knows > >please do share! > > > >JW > > > >"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message > >news:5vqkh3p2vkl5naacg7a9umpj077levt9s4@4ax.com... > >> Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you > >> from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use > >> WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be > >> broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. > >> > >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned > >>>off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from > >>>me. > >>>Is this not possible? > >> -- > >> > >> Barb Bowman > >> MS Windows-MVP > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx > >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ > > > -- > > Barb Bowman > MS Windows-MVP > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx > http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ > there are more "determined" people driving around and hanging around
then you may realize. sorry you didn't find the explanations of value. On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:31:00 -0700, HelpNeeded310 <HelpNeeded***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: Show quote >So there is absolutely no sense in trying to keep it even less visible? Barb Bowman> >You are right, someone who is determined to get one can. But, if you >broadcast your network ID, you are encouraging those people who are not as >determined to go ahead and attempt to jump on. > >What a joke... > >"Barb Bowman" wrote: > >> WEP can be broken in the time it takes to read this thread. >> >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:32:59 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >> >Doing so does have value in as much as it prevents the casual neighborhood >> >user from connecting to the router. For example, my neighbors often see a >> >list of available, unsecured networks and simply choose one from the list to >> >connect to. If mine isn't in their list they aren't aware of me and do not >> >connect. It is just this situation that I was wanting to prevent. I can do >> >so quickly by turning off broadcasting. This works great for a Gateway >> >laptop I have but doesn't for the HP Vista laptop. I was hoping to >> >understand why. I realize I can simply turn on WEP and likely will. I still >> >would like to understand why it doesn't work in Vista. If someone knows >> >please do share! >> > >> >JW >> > >> >"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message >> >news:5vqkh3p2vkl5naacg7a9umpj077levt9s4@4ax.com... >> >> Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you >> >> from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use >> >> WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be >> >> broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. >> >> >> >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned >> >>>off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from >> >>>me. >> >>>Is this not possible? >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Barb Bowman >> >> MS Windows-MVP >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ >> > >> -- >> >> Barb Bowman >> MS Windows-MVP >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ >> -- MS Windows-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ What a HORRIBLE response. He asked how can he have his SSID broadcasting
turned off and still have his PC running Vista connect to the internet. Why should you care about the reason? Does MVP mean that you only answer questions based on what you would use a function for? Show quote "Barb Bowman" wrote: > Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you > from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use > WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be > broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> > wrote: > > >Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned > >off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from me. > >Is this not possible? > -- > > Barb Bowman > MS Windows-MVP > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx > http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ > On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:26:02 -0700, HelpNeeded310
<HelpNeeded***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: Show quote >"Barb Bowman" wrote: MVPs try to fix the problem, not the symptom. Turning the SSID off, and making> >> Why? Turning the broadcast off really isn't going to protect you >> from someone who really wants to access your network. If you use >> WPA2 (or at least WPA with a strong random passphrase that can't be >> broken with a dictionary attack), you should be very safe. >> >> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >> >Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned >> >off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from me. >> >Is this not possible? >What a HORRIBLE response. He asked how can he have his SSID broadcasting >turned off and still have his PC running Vista connect to the internet. > >Why should you care about the reason? > >Does MVP mean that you only answer questions based on what you would use a >function for? it work, won't be fixing the problem. Turning the SSID off doesn't even hide you, most WiFi clients detect APs with the SSID turned off - they have to so they don't transmit while an AP with no SSID is transmitting. An AP that's invisible can expect to be unstable, as nearby APs will be transmitting right over it. This results in dropped packets, and retransmissions, for both APs. And crappy bandwidth for everybody. Ever see the movie "The Invisible Man"? What were the 2 lessons (well 2 of them) that he learned? -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb726942.aspx as
well. Show quote On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0700, "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> --wrote: >I have a new HP laptop running Windows Vista. My Linksys AP router is set at >default settings except for the SSID and the SSID broadcast feature. With >broadcasting turned on I have no trouble connecting to the router. If I turn >off broadcasting I cannot connect to the router. Using the config screen for >manually connecting to the router I enter the proper SSID. Vista tells me >that the SSID is already configured on the computer and do I want to use >that connection. I say yes and then I'm told it cannot connect. Of course, >if I turn broadcasting back on I connect effortlessly. > >Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned >off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from me. >Is this not possible? > >JW > Barb Bowman MS Windows-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ Hi
Security is Not just a matter of a neighbor leeching to your connection and stealing few Mb/sec, of bandwidth. If you do not use encryption your Wireless is transmitted in clear, thus people can sniff the traffic and get personal sensitive info and you would not even know. From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is. No Security MAC______(Band Aid if nothing else is available). WEP64____(Easy, to "Brake" by knowledgeable people). WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too). WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Brake ). WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable) WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable). Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2. Note 2: If you use WinXP and did not updated it you would have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357 The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is available with your Wireless hardware. All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass phrase. Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best possible of one of the Wireless devices. I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP. If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card that can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network, replace the device with a better one. Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 - http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html Jack (MVP-Networking). Show quote "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> wrote in message news:13hkq2sk21dv9a5@news.supernews.com... >I have a new HP laptop running Windows Vista. My Linksys AP router is set >at default settings except for the SSID and the SSID broadcast feature. >With broadcasting turned on I have no trouble connecting to the router. If >I turn off broadcasting I cannot connect to the router. Using the config >screen for manually connecting to the router I enter the proper SSID. Vista >tells me that the SSID is already configured on the computer and do I want >to use that connection. I say yes and then I'm told it cannot connect. Of >course, if I turn broadcasting back on I connect effortlessly. > > Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned > off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from > me. Is this not possible? > > JW > Further to Jack's comments, it should be noted that it is possible for some
equipment that comes WEP-only to be upgraded to WPA, so don't throw any equipment out before checking into this possibility. /Al Show quote "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <j***@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message news:ODk3yL4EIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Hi > Security is Not just a matter of a neighbor leeching to your connection > and stealing few Mb/sec, of bandwidth. > If you do not use encryption your Wireless is transmitted in clear, thus > people can sniff the traffic and get personal sensitive info and you would > not even know. > From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is. > > No Security > MAC______(Band Aid if nothing else is available). > WEP64____(Easy, to "Brake" by knowledgeable people). > WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too). > WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Brake ). > WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable) > WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable). > > Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2. > > Note 2: If you use WinXP and did not updated it you would have to download > the WPA2 patch from Microsoft. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357 > > The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and Wireless > Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is available with > your Wireless hardware. > > All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass > phrase. > > Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best > possible of one of the Wireless devices. > > I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to the > max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to max . > of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP. > > If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card that > can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network, replace > the device with a better one. > > Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html > > The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 - > http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html > > Jack (MVP-Networking). > > > "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:13hkq2sk21dv9a5@news.supernews.com... >>I have a new HP laptop running Windows Vista. My Linksys AP router is set >>at default settings except for the SSID and the SSID broadcast feature. >>With broadcasting turned on I have no trouble connecting to the router. If >>I turn off broadcasting I cannot connect to the router. Using the config >>screen for manually connecting to the router I enter the proper SSID. >>Vista tells me that the SSID is already configured on the computer and do >>I want to use that connection. I say yes and then I'm told it cannot >>connect. Of course, if I turn broadcasting back on I connect effortlessly. >> >> Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting >> turned off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention >> from me. Is this not possible? >> >> JW >> > Thank you for the useful information when it comes to networking security...
....however, can you answer the question asked? How do I get my PC running Vista to connect to a wireless network when the SSID is not broadcasting? (Just so you know, I use WPA-PSK and not WEP. I am also well aware that the determined "hacker" can still find my network without the network ID being broadcast and despite my WPA-PSK security.) Show quote "Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote: > Hi > Security is Not just a matter of a neighbor leeching to your connection and > stealing few Mb/sec, of bandwidth. > If you do not use encryption your Wireless is transmitted in clear, thus > people can sniff the traffic and get personal sensitive info and you would > not even know. > From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is. > > No Security > MAC______(Band Aid if nothing else is available). > WEP64____(Easy, to "Brake" by knowledgeable people). > WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too). > WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Brake ). > WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable) > WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable). > > Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2. > > Note 2: If you use WinXP and did not updated it you would have to download > the WPA2 patch from Microsoft. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357 > > The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and Wireless > Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is available with > your Wireless hardware. > > All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass > phrase. > > Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best possible > of one of the Wireless devices. > > I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to the > max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to max . of > WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP. > > If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card that can > do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network, replace the > device with a better one. > > Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html > > The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 - > http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html > > Jack (MVP-Networking). > > > "Jerry West" <j*@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:13hkq2sk21dv9a5@news.supernews.com... > >I have a new HP laptop running Windows Vista. My Linksys AP router is set > >at default settings except for the SSID and the SSID broadcast feature. > >With broadcasting turned on I have no trouble connecting to the router. If > >I turn off broadcasting I cannot connect to the router. Using the config > >screen for manually connecting to the router I enter the proper SSID. Vista > >tells me that the SSID is already configured on the computer and do I want > >to use that connection. I say yes and then I'm told it cannot connect. Of > >course, if I turn broadcasting back on I connect effortlessly. > > > > Obviously, the goal here is to have the AP router SSID broadcasting turned > > off and the laptop connect to this router without any intervention from > > me. Is this not possible? > > > > JW > > > >  |
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