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2 Jan 2007 5:08 PM
Jim
I have four systems that I'd like to be able to share information between. 
Not using a "server" approach, but a "workgroup" approach.  However, there is
a twist.

Specifically:
1) Using a four port router to permit internet access for three systems.
2) Using internet sharing on one PC to permit internet access for the fourth
system (don't have location of 4th PC wired, with no plans to wire it or use
wireless.)

Now, the problem:
1) Three of the systems can map easily to the shared folders of each other
and the primary home system (i.e. \\<sysName>\<sharedFolder>).
2) The fourth system (connected to 2nd eithernet card on third system, and
it using internet sharing) cannot use the same method to access the primary
system.  It must use the IP address to map to the folder (i.e.
\\<ipAddr>\<sharedFolder>).
3) The IP address is not always consistant after powerdown/restart, so the
fixed map of the fourth system must be reentered (at times.)
4) All firewalls are turned off for all systems.

Question:
How can I have the "network" (workgroup) recognize the fourth system
(although it is directly connected to the third system using an eithernet
patch cable) to permit sharing of information with that system?

Thank you for your help.

Author
2 Jan 2007 5:39 PM
Chuck
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:08:00 -0800, Jim <J**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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>I have four systems that I'd like to be able to share information between. 
>Not using a "server" approach, but a "workgroup" approach.  However, there is
>a twist.
>
>Specifically:
>1) Using a four port router to permit internet access for three systems.
>2) Using internet sharing on one PC to permit internet access for the fourth
>system (don't have location of 4th PC wired, with no plans to wire it or use
>wireless.)
>
>Now, the problem:
>1) Three of the systems can map easily to the shared folders of each other
>and the primary home system (i.e. \\<sysName>\<sharedFolder>).
>2) The fourth system (connected to 2nd eithernet card on third system, and
>it using internet sharing) cannot use the same method to access the primary
>system.  It must use the IP address to map to the folder (i.e.
>\\<ipAddr>\<sharedFolder>).
>3) The IP address is not always consistant after powerdown/restart, so the
>fixed map of the fourth system must be reentered (at times.)
>4) All firewalls are turned off for all systems.
>
>Question:
>How can I have the "network" (workgroup) recognize the fourth system
>(although it is directly connected to the third system using an eithernet
>patch cable) to permit sharing of information with that system?
>
>Thank you for your help.

If the fourth computer is connected, thru the third computer, as an ICS client,
it's on a separate subnet and broadcast domain.  So it will never get named
access to the other computers.  Similarly, the other computers won't be able to
access it.

ICS is a poor solution for bridging networks.  See if you can make a bridge out
of the third computer, instead of an ICS server.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html

Normally, you wouldn't setup a bridge.  My documentation here might give you the
right clues to make yours work, though.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html#Bridge>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html#Bridge


--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My        email         is          AT         DOT
   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.
Author
2 Jan 2007 5:50 PM
Jim
Thank you.  Your suggestion was perfect.  I'd forgotten about Bridges, and as
soon as I'm able, I shall attempt this solution.

- Jim

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"Chuck" wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:08:00 -0800, Jim <J**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I have four systems that I'd like to be able to share information between. 
> >Not using a "server" approach, but a "workgroup" approach.  However, there is
> >a twist.
> >
> >Specifically:
> >1) Using a four port router to permit internet access for three systems.
> >2) Using internet sharing on one PC to permit internet access for the fourth
> >system (don't have location of 4th PC wired, with no plans to wire it or use
> >wireless.)
> >
> >Now, the problem:
> >1) Three of the systems can map easily to the shared folders of each other
> >and the primary home system (i.e. \\<sysName>\<sharedFolder>).
> >2) The fourth system (connected to 2nd eithernet card on third system, and
> >it using internet sharing) cannot use the same method to access the primary
> >system.  It must use the IP address to map to the folder (i.e.
> >\\<ipAddr>\<sharedFolder>).
> >3) The IP address is not always consistant after powerdown/restart, so the
> >fixed map of the fourth system must be reentered (at times.)
> >4) All firewalls are turned off for all systems.
> >
> >Question:
> >How can I have the "network" (workgroup) recognize the fourth system
> >(although it is directly connected to the third system using an eithernet
> >patch cable) to permit sharing of information with that system?
> >
> >Thank you for your help.
>
> If the fourth computer is connected, thru the third computer, as an ICS client,
> it's on a separate subnet and broadcast domain.  So it will never get named
> access to the other computers.  Similarly, the other computers won't be able to
> access it.
>
> ICS is a poor solution for bridging networks.  See if you can make a bridge out
> of the third computer, instead of an ICS server.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html
>
> Normally, you wouldn't setup a bridge.  My documentation here might give you the
> right clues to make yours work, though.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html#Bridge>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html#Bridge
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>    actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.
>
Author
2 Jan 2007 9:18 PM
Chuck
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:50:01 -0800, Jim <J**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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>"Chuck" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:08:00 -0800, Jim <J**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I have four systems that I'd like to be able to share information between. 
>> >Not using a "server" approach, but a "workgroup" approach.  However, there is
>> >a twist.
>> >
>> >Specifically:
>> >1) Using a four port router to permit internet access for three systems.
>> >2) Using internet sharing on one PC to permit internet access for the fourth
>> >system (don't have location of 4th PC wired, with no plans to wire it or use
>> >wireless.)
>> >
>> >Now, the problem:
>> >1) Three of the systems can map easily to the shared folders of each other
>> >and the primary home system (i.e. \\<sysName>\<sharedFolder>).
>> >2) The fourth system (connected to 2nd eithernet card on third system, and
>> >it using internet sharing) cannot use the same method to access the primary
>> >system.  It must use the IP address to map to the folder (i.e.
>> >\\<ipAddr>\<sharedFolder>).
>> >3) The IP address is not always consistant after powerdown/restart, so the
>> >fixed map of the fourth system must be reentered (at times.)
>> >4) All firewalls are turned off for all systems.
>> >
>> >Question:
>> >How can I have the "network" (workgroup) recognize the fourth system
>> >(although it is directly connected to the third system using an eithernet
>> >patch cable) to permit sharing of information with that system?
>> >
>> >Thank you for your help.
>>
>> If the fourth computer is connected, thru the third computer, as an ICS client,
>> it's on a separate subnet and broadcast domain.  So it will never get named
>> access to the other computers.  Similarly, the other computers won't be able to
>> access it.
>>
>> ICS is a poor solution for bridging networks.  See if you can make a bridge out
>> of the third computer, instead of an ICS server.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html
>>
>> Normally, you wouldn't setup a bridge.  My documentation here might give you the
>> right clues to make yours work, though.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html#Bridge>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html#Bridge

>Thank you.  Your suggestion was perfect.  I'd forgotten about Bridges, and as
>soon as I'm able, I shall attempt this solution.

My pleasure, Jim.  Thanks for the feedback.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My        email         is          AT         DOT
   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.