"Dave" <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hello.
>
> I've read some of the info on MS's web site about peer-to-peer networking,
> but still don't understand the benefit.  What can PTP do for a home user
> who
> already uses Live Messenger and File/Print sharing to communicate & share
> with others?
>
> Thanks - Dave

"AJR" wrote:

> If you are sharing files/printer between two or more computers you have a
> peer-to-peer network (direct computer to computer - all equal). Network not
> based use of a server.
>
> "Dave" <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B1096B8F-2952-488F-9198-25277770BA24@microsoft.com...
> > Hello.
> >
> > I've read some of the info on MS's web site about peer-to-peer networking,
> > but still don't understand the benefit.  What can PTP do for a home user
> > who
> > already uses Live Messenger and File/Print sharing to communicate & share
> > with others?
> >
> > Thanks - Dave
>
>
>

"Dave" <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> AJR,
>
> Conceptually - true.  However my question is regarding the peer-to-peer
> networking capabilities included in Windows but not installed as part of
> the
> default installation.
>
> Check this out...
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/p2p/p2pintro.mspx
>
> Thanks - Dave
>
>
> "AJR" wrote:
>
>> If you are sharing files/printer between two or more computers you have a
>> peer-to-peer network (direct computer to computer - all equal). Network
>> not
>> based use of a server.
>>
>> "Dave" <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B1096B8F-2952-488F-9198-25277770BA24@microsoft.com...
>> > Hello.
>> >
>> > I've read some of the info on MS's web site about peer-to-peer
>> > networking,
>> > but still don't understand the benefit.  What can PTP do for a home
>> > user
>> > who
>> > already uses Live Messenger and File/Print sharing to communicate &
>> > share
>> > with others?
>> >
>> > Thanks - Dave
>>
>>
>>

"Jack (MVP-Networking)." wrote:

> First, you have to separate two concepts, Internet, and private Local
> Network (LAN).
> Peer-to-peer relates to Local private Network (nothing to do with the
> Internet).
> The simplest way of connecting few computers to form a Local Network is to
> connect them in what is called peer-to-peer topology.  In practical terms,
> it means few computers plugged through a Network Card to a Network Switch
> (Hub).
> The private Network can be connected as a Network to the Internet via
> Router.
> The Stand alone Router that is used by many Home users is a 4 ports switch,
> which forms a peer to peer Network between the computers that are connected
> to it, and Routing circuits that mitigate between the Switch and the
> Internet.
> The default installation of  Windows XP on a single computer makes it ready
> to be part of a peer-to-peer Network.
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "Dave" <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9C1557EB-CBCB-4BB4-944E-18015CC5527F@microsoft.com...
> > AJR,
> >
> > Conceptually - true.  However my question is regarding the peer-to-peer
> > networking capabilities included in Windows but not installed as part of
> > the
> > default installation.
> >
> > Check this out...
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/p2p/p2pintro.mspx
> >
> > Thanks - Dave
> >
> >
> > "AJR" wrote:
> >
> >> If you are sharing files/printer between two or more computers you have a
> >> peer-to-peer network (direct computer to computer - all equal). Network
> >> not
> >> based use of a server.
> >>
> >> "Dave" <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:B1096B8F-2952-488F-9198-25277770BA24@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hello.
> >> >
> >> > I've read some of the info on MS's web site about peer-to-peer
> >> > networking,
> >> > but still don't understand the benefit.  What can PTP do for a home
> >> > user
> >> > who
> >> > already uses Live Messenger and File/Print sharing to communicate &
> >> > share
> >> > with others?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks - Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

>Jack,
>
>We may be talking about two different things.  Below is a quote from the MS
>article (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/p2p/p2pintro.mspx) on
>peer-to-peer networking:
>
>    Name Resolution and Peer Discovery with PNRP:
>
>    In order for communication to occur between peers, they must be able to
>    discover each other's presence and resolve each other's network locations
>    (addresses, protocols, and ports) from names or other types of
>identifiers. How
>    peers discover each other and resolve each other's names for
>communication is
>    complicated by transient connectivity and the lack of address records in
>DNS.
>
>    Windows Peer-to-Peer Networking solves this problem with a name
>resolution
>    and peer discovery protocol known as the Peer Name Resolution Protocol
>    (PNRP). For more information, see Peer Name Resolution Protocol.
>
>The default installation of Windows on my PC did not include Peer Name
>Resolution Protocol (PNRP) for peer-to-peer networking.  PNRP appears to go
>far beyond NetBIOS communications on a local network as you described below.
>
>So my question is, what can PTP/PNRP do for a home user who already uses
>Live Messenger and File/Print sharing to communicate & share with others?
>
>Thanks - Dave

"Chuck" wrote:

> On Tue, 8 May 2007 06:11:04 -0700, Dave <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Jack,
> >
> >We may be talking about two different things.  Below is a quote from the MS
> >article (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/p2p/p2pintro.mspx) on
> >peer-to-peer networking:
> >
> >    Name Resolution and Peer Discovery with PNRP:
> >
> >    In order for communication to occur between peers, they must be able to
> >    discover each other's presence and resolve each other's network locations
> >    (addresses, protocols, and ports) from names or other types of
> >identifiers. How
> >    peers discover each other and resolve each other's names for
> >communication is
> >    complicated by transient connectivity and the lack of address records in
> >DNS.
> >
> >    Windows Peer-to-Peer Networking solves this problem with a name
> >resolution
> >    and peer discovery protocol known as the Peer Name Resolution Protocol
> >    (PNRP). For more information, see Peer Name Resolution Protocol.
> >
> >The default installation of Windows on my PC did not include Peer Name
> >Resolution Protocol (PNRP) for peer-to-peer networking.  PNRP appears to go
> >far beyond NetBIOS communications on a local network as you described below.
> >
> >So my question is, what can PTP/PNRP do for a home user who already uses
> >Live Messenger and File/Print sharing to communicate & share with others?
> >
> >Thanks - Dave
>
> Dave,
>
> What Microsoft is doing with this concept of Peer-Peer Networking is taking
> currently used applications like Instant Messaging, File Sharing, Whiteboard,
> distributed processing, P2P file sharing like BitTorrent, etc, and restructuring
> them so they can all fit into one common package.  What this will mean to you,
> as a user of the individual components, currently provided by them and by their
> competitors, is up to the marketplace to decide.
>
> If Microsoft has a big enough piece of the many applications, right now, in its
> MSN / Windows Messenger and associated components (for instance), they can
> expand those pieces using the (proprietary) PTP / PNRP concept, force
> competitors to comply with their new standards, and eventually absorb the
> competitors in their infrastructure.
>
> If Microsoft's competitors are still powerful, Microsoft will have to let PTP /
> PNRP evolve, as the Internet evolves.  The final (real world) version of PTP /
> PNRP may have other components, other protocols, and probably another name.
>
> This is an exciting idea, but there may be ethical, moral, and political issues
> to consider, and probably endless hours of discussion.
>
> In the long term, what you, and millions like you, choose over the years will
> determine the outcome. I don't think that you need to consider PTP / PNRP as you
> setup your current IM client, immediately.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>    actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.
>

>"Chuck" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 8 May 2007 06:11:04 -0700, Dave <D***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Jack,
>> >
>> >We may be talking about two different things.  Below is a quote from the MS
>> >article (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/p2p/p2pintro.mspx) on
>> >peer-to-peer networking:
>> >
>> >    Name Resolution and Peer Discovery with PNRP:
>> >
>> >    In order for communication to occur between peers, they must be able to
>> >    discover each other's presence and resolve each other's network locations
>> >    (addresses, protocols, and ports) from names or other types of
>> >identifiers. How
>> >    peers discover each other and resolve each other's names for
>> >communication is
>> >    complicated by transient connectivity and the lack of address records in
>> >DNS.
>> >
>> >    Windows Peer-to-Peer Networking solves this problem with a name
>> >resolution
>> >    and peer discovery protocol known as the Peer Name Resolution Protocol
>> >    (PNRP). For more information, see Peer Name Resolution Protocol.
>> >
>> >The default installation of Windows on my PC did not include Peer Name
>> >Resolution Protocol (PNRP) for peer-to-peer networking.  PNRP appears to go
>> >far beyond NetBIOS communications on a local network as you described below.
>> >
>> >So my question is, what can PTP/PNRP do for a home user who already uses
>> >Live Messenger and File/Print sharing to communicate & share with others?
>> >
>> >Thanks - Dave
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> What Microsoft is doing with this concept of Peer-Peer Networking is taking
>> currently used applications like Instant Messaging, File Sharing, Whiteboard,
>> distributed processing, P2P file sharing like BitTorrent, etc, and restructuring
>> them so they can all fit into one common package.  What this will mean to you,
>> as a user of the individual components, currently provided by them and by their
>> competitors, is up to the marketplace to decide.
>>
>> If Microsoft has a big enough piece of the many applications, right now, in its
>> MSN / Windows Messenger and associated components (for instance), they can
>> expand those pieces using the (proprietary) PTP / PNRP concept, force
>> competitors to comply with their new standards, and eventually absorb the
>> competitors in their infrastructure.
>>
>> If Microsoft's competitors are still powerful, Microsoft will have to let PTP /
>> PNRP evolve, as the Internet evolves.  The final (real world) version of PTP /
>> PNRP may have other components, other protocols, and probably another name.
>>
>> This is an exciting idea, but there may be ethical, moral, and political issues
>> to consider, and probably endless hours of discussion.
>>
>> In the long term, what you, and millions like you, choose over the years will
>> determine the outcome. I don't think that you need to consider PTP / PNRP as you
>> setup your current IM client, immediately.

>Chuck,
>
>Thank you for taking time to share those insights.
>
>Dave