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Switching off one PC makes remainder inaccessible

Author
31 Jul 2006 9:32 AM
Bill Haines
I have a 3 computer network within a workgroup. Recently I tried to
switch one machine off to save energy. When I do this, the remaining 2
computers become inaccessible to each other via
"My Network Places" > "Entire Network" > "Microsoft Windows Network" >
<"Work Group Name">, though desktop shortcuts to folders on remote
machines remain functional.

How can I keep my remaining network places accessible when I switch
one of the workgroup PCs off?
TIA
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Bill Haines

Author
31 Jul 2006 9:46 AM
Richard G. Harper
I suspect this is a master browser issue - in a workgroup setting, since
there are no domain controllers to keep a list of available workstations on
the network one computer will become the master browser and maintain a list
of workstations.  When a computer is started up or shut down an election
will be forced to select a new master browser:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/188001
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q102878/
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/2000/server/reskit/en-us/cnet/cnfi_brs_oynw.asp

If you wait fifteen minutes the network should settle out and browsing
should work again.

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"Bill Haines" <b_hai***@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>I have a 3 computer network within a workgroup. Recently I tried to
> switch one machine off to save energy. When I do this, the remaining 2
> computers become inaccessible to each other via
> "My Network Places" > "Entire Network" > "Microsoft Windows Network" >
> <"Work Group Name">, though desktop shortcuts to folders on remote
> machines remain functional.
>
> How can I keep my remaining network places accessible when I switch
> one of the workgroup PCs off?
> TIA
> --
> Bill Haines
Author
31 Jul 2006 8:26 PM
Bill Haines
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:46:07 -0400, "Richard G. Harper"
<rghar***@email.com> wrote:

>I suspect this is a master browser issue - in a workgroup setting, since
>there are no domain controllers to keep a list of available workstations on
>the network one computer will become the master browser and maintain a list
>of workstations.  When a computer is started up or shut down an election
>will be forced to select a new master browser:
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/188001
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q102878/
>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/2000/server/reskit/en-us/cnet/cnfi_brs_oynw.asp
>
>If you wait fifteen minutes the network should settle out and browsing
>should work again.

Thanks for the help.
It may well be a master browser issue as you suggest but after 15
minutes and even many hours, access to other machines via My Network
Places is painfully sluggish and ultimately unsuccessful. Perhaps
there is something preventing the selection of a new master browser on
one of the remaining machines.
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Bill Haines
Author
31 Jul 2006 9:49 PM
Richard G. Harper
That could well be so.  Have you checked the event logs on the two PCs that
remain on to see if there are any error messages that illuminate the
problem?

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"Bill Haines" <b_hai***@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:46:07 -0400, "Richard G. Harper"
> <rghar***@email.com> wrote:
>
>>I suspect this is a master browser issue - in a workgroup setting, since
>>there are no domain controllers to keep a list of available workstations
>>on
>>the network one computer will become the master browser and maintain a
>>list
>>of workstations.  When a computer is started up or shut down an election
>>will be forced to select a new master browser:
>>
>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/188001
>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q102878/
>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/2000/server/reskit/en-us/cnet/cnfi_brs_oynw.asp
>>
>>If you wait fifteen minutes the network should settle out and browsing
>>should work again.
>
> Thanks for the help.
> It may well be a master browser issue as you suggest but after 15
> minutes and even many hours, access to other machines via My Network
> Places is painfully sluggish and ultimately unsuccessful. Perhaps
> there is something preventing the selection of a new master browser on
> one of the remaining machines.
> --
> Bill Haines
Author
31 Jul 2006 4:29 PM
Steve Winograd [MVP]
In article <lpirc2prula05ofmr86sr4ss7h0j0od***@4ax.com>, Bill Haines
<b_hai***@privacy.net> wrote:
>I have a 3 computer network within a workgroup. Recently I tried to
>switch one machine off to save energy. When I do this, the remaining 2
>computers become inaccessible to each other via
>"My Network Places" > "Entire Network" > "Microsoft Windows Network" >
><"Work Group Name">, though desktop shortcuts to folders on remote
>machines remain functional.
>
>How can I keep my remaining network places accessible when I switch
>one of the workgroup PCs off?
>TIA

Waiting 15 minutes or so after shutting off the first computer might
solve the problem.  However, Network browsing through My Network
Places is so unreliable in Windows XP that I recommend not using it at
all.

To access another computer directly, without using My Network Places,
you can use a desktop shortcut, or you can type the other computer's
name in the Start | Run box in this format:

   \\computer
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Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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Author
31 Jul 2006 8:36 PM
Bill Haines
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:29:34 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MVP]"
<bcma***@mvps.org> wrote:

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>In article <lpirc2prula05ofmr86sr4ss7h0j0od***@4ax.com>, Bill Haines
><b_hai***@privacy.net> wrote:
>>I have a 3 computer network within a workgroup. Recently I tried to
>>switch one machine off to save energy. When I do this, the remaining 2
>>computers become inaccessible to each other via
>>"My Network Places" > "Entire Network" > "Microsoft Windows Network" >
>><"Work Group Name">, though desktop shortcuts to folders on remote
>>machines remain functional.
>>
>>How can I keep my remaining network places accessible when I switch
>>one of the workgroup PCs off?
>>TIA
>
>Waiting 15 minutes or so after shutting off the first computer might
>solve the problem.  However, Network browsing through My Network
>Places is so unreliable in Windows XP that I recommend not using it at
>all.

I understand what you're saying here but it's sad to lose access via
the GUI route, especially when the cause seems to be so clearly
associated with simply switching off of one of the network computers.

>To access another computer directly, without using My Network Places,
>you can use a desktop shortcut, or you can type the other computer's
>name in the Start | Run box in this format:
>
>   \\computer

Thanks, I'll use this method, though reluctantly, as I feel that such
an important part of the Win XP interface should be reliable, or at
least fixable when it fails.
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Bill Haines
Author
31 Jul 2006 11:47 PM
Steve Winograd [MVP]
In article <krpsc295p2ir5gpvfshdg2v5qpkokqb***@4ax.com>, Bill Haines
<b_hai***@privacy.net> wrote:
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>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:29:34 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MVP]"
><bcma***@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>>In article <lpirc2prula05ofmr86sr4ss7h0j0od***@4ax.com>, Bill Haines
>><b_hai***@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>I have a 3 computer network within a workgroup. Recently I tried to
>>>switch one machine off to save energy. When I do this, the remaining 2
>>>computers become inaccessible to each other via
>>>"My Network Places" > "Entire Network" > "Microsoft Windows Network" >
>>><"Work Group Name">, though desktop shortcuts to folders on remote
>>>machines remain functional.
>>>
>>>How can I keep my remaining network places accessible when I switch
>>>one of the workgroup PCs off?
>>>TIA
>>
>>Waiting 15 minutes or so after shutting off the first computer might
>>solve the problem.  However, Network browsing through My Network
>>Places is so unreliable in Windows XP that I recommend not using it at
>>all.
>
>I understand what you're saying here but it's sad to lose access via
>the GUI route, especially when the cause seems to be so clearly
>associated with simply switching off of one of the network computers.
>
>>To access another computer directly, without using My Network Places,
>>you can use a desktop shortcut, or you can type the other computer's
>>name in the Start | Run box in this format:
>>
>>   \\computer
>
>Thanks, I'll use this method, though reluctantly, as I feel that such
>an important part of the Win XP interface should be reliable, or at
>least fixable when it fails.

I know what you're saying, too, Bill.

A look at the messages in this newsgroups shows how much trouble
people have with network browsing in My Network Places.  In my
opinion, it isn't worth the time and trouble to try to troubleshoot
it, and there's no way that we users can fix a broken design.

You can create your own version of My Network Places: create a desktop
folder and populate it with shortcuts to desired computers and shared
folders.  Those shortcuts should work even when network browsing
fails.
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Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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