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Time synchronizationHi,
When synchronizing to the external time server in one of customer's LANs, I experience the following fenomenon: the station's local time first changes to the UTC (GMT) time (maybe it's a coincidence but this time is 2 hours earlier than my local time) and then, in a few seconds, it is automatically corrected to the proper time. The problem is in these few seconds (maybe even less) which is enough to make a mess. For synchronizing, I use the application NetTime (by Graham Mainwaring, version 2.0), running as an XP service. In other LANs this application works OK so it seems that the cause is somewhere else. On the other hand, from what I know of time messages, they travel across the network in UTC format, so the correction (adjustment to the local time) must be done locally, upon delivery. Did anybody encounter a similar problem? I'll appreciate any suggestion. Regards -- Jerzy Matwiejczuk On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:34:01 -0700, j_mat wrote:
>When synchronizing to the external time server in one of customer's LANs, I No need to install a third party service, as XP already has one>experience the following fenomenon: the station's local time first changes to >the UTC (GMT) time (maybe it's a coincidence but this time is 2 hours earlier >than my local time) and then, in a few seconds, it is automatically corrected >to the proper time. The problem is in these few seconds (maybe even less) >which is enough to make a mess. For synchronizing, I use the application >NetTime (by Graham Mainwaring, version 2.0), running as an XP service. In >other LANs this application works OK so it seems that the cause is somewhere >else. On the other hand, from what I know of time messages, they travel >across the network in UTC format, so the correction (adjustment to the local >time) must be done locally, upon delivery. Did anybody encounter a similar >problem? I'll appreciate any suggestion. built in. Check http://winhlp.com/wxtime.htm for more information. Hans-Georg -- No mail, please. --
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Jerzy Matwiejczuk „Hans-Georg Michna†pisze: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:34:01 -0700, j_mat wrote: Thanks a lot for your concern, Hans-Georg.> > >When synchronizing to the external time server in one of customer's LANs, I > >experience the following fenomenon: the station's local time first changes to > >the UTC (GMT) time (maybe it's a coincidence but this time is 2 hours earlier > >than my local time) and then, in a few seconds, it is automatically corrected > >to the proper time. The problem is in these few seconds (maybe even less) > >which is enough to make a mess. For synchronizing, I use the application > >NetTime (by Graham Mainwaring, version 2.0), running as an XP service. In > >other LANs this application works OK so it seems that the cause is somewhere > >else. On the other hand, from what I know of time messages, they travel > >across the network in UTC format, so the correction (adjustment to the local > >time) must be done locally, upon delivery. Did anybody encounter a similar > >problem? I'll appreciate any suggestion. > > No need to install a third party service, as XP already has one > built in. > > Check http://winhlp.com/wxtime.htm for more information. > > Hans-Georg > > -- > No mail, please. > The situation has changed a bit since last week. It's strange, but after having stopped both w32time and NetTime the problem still remains. Although there's no time synchronizng services/applications active, 'something' shifted the time back by 2 hours. There are differences, however: this time it took place only once, while under NetTime it happened several times a day. Before, NetTime repaired the time immediately, so 'something' had more occasions to spoil it, and now once the time is spoiled, it remains like this until somebody corrects it manually. But there is one thing the two situations have in common: time travel happens only when there are some workstations switched on in the LAN. It had never happend at night and on weekends. The conclusion seems to be simple: there must be one (or more) workstations on the LAN which are a source of wrong time to my workstation. So we are back at 'something' which sends for and receives this spoiled time. Does anybody have any idea what this mysterious 'something' could be? Apart from those stopped, there are no other time synchronizing utilities on my workstation, as far as I know. Regards Jerzy On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:08:02 -0700, j_mat wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >The situation has changed a bit since last week. It's strange, but after Jerzy,>having stopped both w32time and NetTime the problem still remains. Although >there's no time synchronizng services/applications active, 'something' >shifted the time back by 2 hours. There are differences, however: this time >it took place only once, while under NetTime it happened several times a day. >Before, NetTime repaired the time immediately, so 'something' had more >occasions to spoil it, and now once the time is spoiled, it remains like this >until somebody corrects it manually. But there is one thing the two >situations have in common: time travel happens only when there are some >workstations switched on in the LAN. It had never happend at night and on >weekends. The conclusion seems to be simple: there must be one (or more) >workstations on the LAN which are a source of wrong time to my workstation. >So we are back at 'something' which sends for and receives this spoiled time. >Does anybody have any idea what this mysterious 'something' could be? Apart >from those stopped, there are no other time synchronizing utilities on my >workstation, as far as I know. it does look like some stupid third-party software though. Perhaps there is a script running somewhere that takes the time from another computer. Do all your local computers have the same time zone setting? Hans-Georg -- No mail, please. „Hans-Georg Michna†wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:08:02 -0700, j_mat wrote: Unfortunately, I have no immediate nor direct access to that LAN, it's at > > >The situation has changed a bit since last week. It's strange, but after > >having stopped both w32time and NetTime the problem still remains. Although > >there's no time synchronizng services/applications active, 'something' > >shifted the time back by 2 hours. There are differences, however: this time > >it took place only once, while under NetTime it happened several times a day. > >Before, NetTime repaired the time immediately, so 'something' had more > >occasions to spoil it, and now once the time is spoiled, it remains like this > >until somebody corrects it manually. But there is one thing the two > >situations have in common: time travel happens only when there are some > >workstations switched on in the LAN. It had never happend at night and on > >weekends. The conclusion seems to be simple: there must be one (or more) > >workstations on the LAN which are a source of wrong time to my workstation. > >So we are back at 'something' which sends for and receives this spoiled time. > >Does anybody have any idea what this mysterious 'something' could be? Apart > >from those stopped, there are no other time synchronizing utilities on my > >workstation, as far as I know. > > Jerzy, > > it does look like some stupid third-party software though. > Perhaps there is a script running somewhere that takes the time > from another computer. > > Do all your local computers have the same time zone setting? > > Hans-Georg > > -- > No mail, please. > the customer's site in another city. To be honest, I don't have even remote access to it, and I can monitor the situation via phone only. From what I know, nobody on that LAN complained about wrong time. Having two 'legal' SNTP clients stopped, the next step to be done is to disconnect first one and then the other cable from the network (the worstation has two network connections), to eliminate 'suspects'. There's still a chance that some local application changes the time. We indeed have some third-party software installed on that workstation, like e.g. 4CONTROL runtime, OPC protocol etc., so who knows...? Regards Jerzy
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