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Author
10 Jun 2005 9:40 PM
RLG
At one time my network seemed to work fine.  However, all of the sudden none
of them work.  I've turned off all firewalls, deleted the drivers for all
network adapters and reinstalled, ran Network Setup Wizard I don't know how
many times.  Here's the problems.  All of them only see themselves in Network
Group none of them can see each other.   I ran ipconfig/all to check all
settings here they are.

PC#1 Named Sec1
Has ethernet adapter Realtek RTL8139/810X
physical address 00-0c-76-9d-3e-a8
Dhcp enabled: no
IP address 192.168.0.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
(this pc also shows a second network adapter 1394 connection however I'm
only aware of the one ethernet adapter for networking) This PC also connected
to the internet.  I kept the firewall running for the internet connection.

PC#2 Named Sec2
Has ethernet adapter ethernet Realtek RTl8139
Node type: mixed
IP routing enabled: no
Wins proxy enabled: no
Physical address: 00-e0-18-07-fc-77
Dhcp enabled: yes
auto config enabled: yes
auto config IP address: 169.254.67.240
subnet mask: 255.255.0.0

PC#3 named Sec3
Node type: nixed
IP routing enabled: no
Wins proxy enabled: no
Ethernet wireless adapter - Belkin 802.11g
Physical address: 00-30-bd-92-b8-9a
Dhcp enabled: yes
auto config enabled: yes
auto config IP address: 169.254.65.210
subnet mask: 255.255.0.0

I have computer #1 & #2 connected with r54 cable to a hub.  I also have a
Belkin WAP connected to the hub.  PC#1 can see the WAP but cannot see PC#3. 
PC#3 can see the hub but cannot see PC#1.  The WAP has an SSID: wlan.  I
tried running browstat but didn't get any information.  Computer said command
not recognized. 

Thank you,

Author
11 Jun 2005 12:21 AM
Al Romanosky
PC#2 and PC#3 with addresses in  169.xxx.xxx.xxx indicates they are not
receiving an address through DHCP - which evidently should be provided by
PC#1 which has the address  (192.168.0.1) usually reserved for gateway/DHCP
computer.

The advice given by various people on this newsgroup is excellent - I am
sure you will get more applicable info from others.


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AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky                                     N. Ft.
Myers, FL
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Author
11 Jun 2005 12:32 AM
RLG
I think I found another problem.  I was able to run browstat on all three
computers.  PC#1 and PC#2 both show themselves as the master brower and PC#3
says the browser is not active in domain, master name cannot be determined
from getadapterstatus.  From this I think their all just looking at
themselves and not each other.  Any suggestions on how I can fix.  I've been
reading through some of the other postings and I'm trying the suggestions out
but any shortcuts would be great.

thank you, RLG

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"Al Romanosky" wrote:

> PC#2 and PC#3 with addresses in  169.xxx.xxx.xxx indicates they are not
> receiving an address through DHCP - which evidently should be provided by
> PC#1 which has the address  (192.168.0.1) usually reserved for gateway/DHCP
> computer.
>
> The advice given by various people on this newsgroup is excellent - I am
> sure you will get more applicable info from others.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky                                     N. Ft.
> Myers, FL
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
Author
11 Jun 2005 12:54 AM
Chuck
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:32:01 -0700, RLG <R**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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>"Al Romanosky" wrote:
>
>> PC#2 and PC#3 with addresses in  169.xxx.xxx.xxx indicates they are not
>> receiving an address through DHCP - which evidently should be provided by
>> PC#1 which has the address  (192.168.0.1) usually reserved for gateway/DHCP
>> computer.
>>
>> The advice given by various people on this newsgroup is excellent - I am
>> sure you will get more applicable info from others.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky                                     N. Ft.
>> Myers, FL
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>I think I found another problem.  I was able to run browstat on all three
>computers.  PC#1 and PC#2 both show themselves as the master brower and PC#3
>says the browser is not active in domain, master name cannot be determined
>from getadapterstatus.  From this I think their all just looking at
>themselves and not each other.  Any suggestions on how I can fix.  I've been
>reading through some of the other postings and I'm trying the suggestions out
>but any shortcuts would be great.
>
>thank you, RLG

When you ran the NSW on PC#1, what option did you pick?  PC#1 has a fixed ip
address of 192.168.0.1, that is not normal for an ICS host.

Please start by rerunning the NSW on PC#1, and choosing Option #1 "This computer
connects directly to the Internet.".
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html>

Then post a complete "ipconfig /all" from all 3 computers - copy and paste,
don't retype by hand.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
My        email         is          AT         DOT
   actual       address    pchuck       sonic      net.
Author
11 Jun 2005 8:03 PM
RLG
I reset the ip address for Sec1 to auto.  The only reason I has entered the
ipaddress was the WAP kept giving me an error that it couldn't find IP
address 192.168.0.1.  Here are the ipconfig/all and browstat status for all 3
computers .

Windows IP Configuration
        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : SECRETARY1
        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet NIC
        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-76-9D-3E-A8
        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Status for domain GII on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{189A59D5-7801-4115-A520-
DC5D2C70275D}
    Browsing is active on domain.
    Master browser name is: SECRETARY1
        Master browser is running build 2600
    1 backup servers retrieved from master SECRETARY1
        \\SECRETARY1
    There are 1 servers in domain GII on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{189A59D5
-7801-4115-A520-DC5D2C70275D}
    There are 1 domains in domain GII on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{189A59D5
-7801-4115-A520-DC5D2C70275D}

Windows IP Configuration
        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : SECRETARY2
        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : mshome.net
        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast
Ethernet NIC
        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-E0-18-07-FC-77
        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.29
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:37:58
PM
        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:37:58
PM

Status for domain GII on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0189D6A5-2A7C-4252-ABBE-
86AE475EA3FC}
    Browsing is active on domain.
    Master browser name is: SECRETARY2
        Master browser is running build 2600
    1 backup servers retrieved from master SECRETARY2
        \\SECRETARY2
    There are 2 servers in domain GII on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0189D6A5
-2A7C-4252-ABBE-86AE475EA3FC}
    There are 1 domains in domain GII on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0189D6A5
-2A7C-4252-ABBE-86AE475EA3FC}

Windows IP Configuration
        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : SECRETARY3
        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Belkin 802.11g Network Adapter
        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-30-BD-92-B8-9A
        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Status for domain GII on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{74C9BCB8-0B6F-4B44-9689-
E6DD319B4EAF}
    Browsing is NOT active on domain.
    Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus.

Thank you for you help, RLG




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"Chuck" wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:32:01 -0700, RLG <R**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"Al Romanosky" wrote:
> >
> >> PC#2 and PC#3 with addresses in  169.xxx.xxx.xxx indicates they are not
> >> receiving an address through DHCP - which evidently should be provided by
> >> PC#1 which has the address  (192.168.0.1) usually reserved for gateway/DHCP
> >> computer.
> >>
> >> The advice given by various people on this newsgroup is excellent - I am
> >> sure you will get more applicable info from others.
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> AL(KB3U) & Darlene Romanosky                                     N. Ft.
> >> Myers, FL
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >I think I found another problem.  I was able to run browstat on all three
> >computers.  PC#1 and PC#2 both show themselves as the master brower and PC#3
> >says the browser is not active in domain, master name cannot be determined
> >from getadapterstatus.  From this I think their all just looking at
> >themselves and not each other.  Any suggestions on how I can fix.  I've been
> >reading through some of the other postings and I'm trying the suggestions out
> >but any shortcuts would be great.
> >
> >thank you, RLG
>
> When you ran the NSW on PC#1, what option did you pick?  PC#1 has a fixed ip
> address of 192.168.0.1, that is not normal for an ICS host.
>
> Please start by rerunning the NSW on PC#1, and choosing Option #1 "This computer
> connects directly to the Internet.".
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html>
>
> Then post a complete "ipconfig /all" from all 3 computers - copy and paste,
> don't retype by hand.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>    actual       address    pchuck       sonic      net.
>
Author
11 Jun 2005 8:17 PM
RLG
I just rebooted and Sec1 can now see and access Sec2 however they still don't
see Sec3.  Thank yo, RLG

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"RLG" wrote:

> At one time my network seemed to work fine.  However, all of the sudden none
> of them work.  I've turned off all firewalls, deleted the drivers for all
> network adapters and reinstalled, ran Network Setup Wizard I don't know how
> many times.  Here's the problems.  All of them only see themselves in Network
> Group none of them can see each other.   I ran ipconfig/all to check all
> settings here they are.
>
> PC#1 Named Sec1
> Has ethernet adapter Realtek RTL8139/810X
> physical address 00-0c-76-9d-3e-a8
> Dhcp enabled: no
> IP address 192.168.0.1
> Subnet: 255.255.255.0
> (this pc also shows a second network adapter 1394 connection however I'm
> only aware of the one ethernet adapter for networking) This PC also connected
> to the internet.  I kept the firewall running for the internet connection.
>
> PC#2 Named Sec2
> Has ethernet adapter ethernet Realtek RTl8139
> Node type: mixed
> IP routing enabled: no
> Wins proxy enabled: no
> Physical address: 00-e0-18-07-fc-77
> Dhcp enabled: yes
> auto config enabled: yes
> auto config IP address: 169.254.67.240
> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
>
> PC#3 named Sec3
> Node type: nixed
> IP routing enabled: no
> Wins proxy enabled: no
> Ethernet wireless adapter - Belkin 802.11g
> Physical address: 00-30-bd-92-b8-9a
> Dhcp enabled: yes
> auto config enabled: yes
> auto config IP address: 169.254.65.210
> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
>
> I have computer #1 & #2 connected with r54 cable to a hub.  I also have a
> Belkin WAP connected to the hub.  PC#1 can see the WAP but cannot see PC#3. 
> PC#3 can see the hub but cannot see PC#1.  The WAP has an SSID: wlan.  I
> tried running browstat but didn't get any information.  Computer said command
> not recognized. 
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
Author
11 Jun 2005 9:31 PM
Chuck
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:17:02 -0700, RLG <R**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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>"RLG" wrote:
>
>> At one time my network seemed to work fine.  However, all of the sudden none
>> of them work.  I've turned off all firewalls, deleted the drivers for all
>> network adapters and reinstalled, ran Network Setup Wizard I don't know how
>> many times.  Here's the problems.  All of them only see themselves in Network
>> Group none of them can see each other.   I ran ipconfig/all to check all
>> settings here they are.
>>
>> PC#1 Named Sec1
>> Has ethernet adapter Realtek RTL8139/810X
>> physical address 00-0c-76-9d-3e-a8
>> Dhcp enabled: no
>> IP address 192.168.0.1
>> Subnet: 255.255.255.0
>> (this pc also shows a second network adapter 1394 connection however I'm
>> only aware of the one ethernet adapter for networking) This PC also connected
>> to the internet.  I kept the firewall running for the internet connection.
>>
>> PC#2 Named Sec2
>> Has ethernet adapter ethernet Realtek RTl8139
>> Node type: mixed
>> IP routing enabled: no
>> Wins proxy enabled: no
>> Physical address: 00-e0-18-07-fc-77
>> Dhcp enabled: yes
>> auto config enabled: yes
>> auto config IP address: 169.254.67.240
>> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
>>
>> PC#3 named Sec3
>> Node type: nixed
>> IP routing enabled: no
>> Wins proxy enabled: no
>> Ethernet wireless adapter - Belkin 802.11g
>> Physical address: 00-30-bd-92-b8-9a
>> Dhcp enabled: yes
>> auto config enabled: yes
>> auto config IP address: 169.254.65.210
>> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
>>
>> I have computer #1 & #2 connected with r54 cable to a hub.  I also have a
>> Belkin WAP connected to the hub.  PC#1 can see the WAP but cannot see PC#3. 
>> PC#3 can see the hub but cannot see PC#1.  The WAP has an SSID: wlan.  I
>> tried running browstat but didn't get any information.  Computer said command
>> not recognized. 

>I just rebooted and Sec1 can now see and access Sec2 however they still don't
>see Sec3.  Thank yo, RLG

RLG,

OK, you've eliminated half of the problems.  Now you need to solve a physical
connectivity issue.  What is this hub, and how do you know that Sec3 can see it?
Does the WAP show any signs of Sec3 connecting?

See if there's anything else to tell us as listed here (follow all links 1 level
please):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>

--
Cheers,
Chuck
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
My        email         is          AT         DOT
   actual       address    pchuck       sonic      net.
Author
12 Jun 2005 8:35 PM
RLG
I really do appreciate all of your help.  I have completed all of the
instructions except cdiag.  However thought I'd let you know.  Sec1 and Sec2
were communicating fine.  Then had to leave for a few hours.  When I came
back they now don't see each other again.  I've tried rebooting again but no
help.  I'll complete the instructions and will give you the results.

Thank you,  RLG

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"Chuck" wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:17:02 -0700, RLG <R**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"RLG" wrote:
> >
> >> At one time my network seemed to work fine.  However, all of the sudden none
> >> of them work.  I've turned off all firewalls, deleted the drivers for all
> >> network adapters and reinstalled, ran Network Setup Wizard I don't know how
> >> many times.  Here's the problems.  All of them only see themselves in Network
> >> Group none of them can see each other.   I ran ipconfig/all to check all
> >> settings here they are.
> >>
> >> PC#1 Named Sec1
> >> Has ethernet adapter Realtek RTL8139/810X
> >> physical address 00-0c-76-9d-3e-a8
> >> Dhcp enabled: no
> >> IP address 192.168.0.1
> >> Subnet: 255.255.255.0
> >> (this pc also shows a second network adapter 1394 connection however I'm
> >> only aware of the one ethernet adapter for networking) This PC also connected
> >> to the internet.  I kept the firewall running for the internet connection.
> >>
> >> PC#2 Named Sec2
> >> Has ethernet adapter ethernet Realtek RTl8139
> >> Node type: mixed
> >> IP routing enabled: no
> >> Wins proxy enabled: no
> >> Physical address: 00-e0-18-07-fc-77
> >> Dhcp enabled: yes
> >> auto config enabled: yes
> >> auto config IP address: 169.254.67.240
> >> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
> >>
> >> PC#3 named Sec3
> >> Node type: nixed
> >> IP routing enabled: no
> >> Wins proxy enabled: no
> >> Ethernet wireless adapter - Belkin 802.11g
> >> Physical address: 00-30-bd-92-b8-9a
> >> Dhcp enabled: yes
> >> auto config enabled: yes
> >> auto config IP address: 169.254.65.210
> >> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
> >>
> >> I have computer #1 & #2 connected with r54 cable to a hub.  I also have a
> >> Belkin WAP connected to the hub.  PC#1 can see the WAP but cannot see PC#3. 
> >> PC#3 can see the hub but cannot see PC#1.  The WAP has an SSID: wlan.  I
> >> tried running browstat but didn't get any information.  Computer said command
> >> not recognized. 
>
> >I just rebooted and Sec1 can now see and access Sec2 however they still don't
> >see Sec3.  Thank yo, RLG
>
> RLG,
>
> OK, you've eliminated half of the problems.  Now you need to solve a physical
> connectivity issue.  What is this hub, and how do you know that Sec3 can see it?
> Does the WAP show any signs of Sec3 connecting?
>
> See if there's anything else to tell us as listed here (follow all links 1 level
> please):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>    actual       address    pchuck       sonic      net.
>
Author
12 Jun 2005 8:40 PM
RLG
Chuck,
The hub I'm sugin has 9 ports and is from 3com and is model Hub 8/tpo,
3c16700.  The WAP software programs does show that 1 wireless connection is
seen.  When I've checked the connectivity on Sec3 sometimes it shows it's
connected and logged into the WLAN and others it says the connection is too
weak for communication.  I've installed the hardware and software per mfgs
instructions so I'm not sure where the problem lies.  I thought I might
remove  the wireless card and WAP and start over.

Thank you, RLG

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"Chuck" wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:17:02 -0700, RLG <R**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"RLG" wrote:
> >
> >> At one time my network seemed to work fine.  However, all of the sudden none
> >> of them work.  I've turned off all firewalls, deleted the drivers for all
> >> network adapters and reinstalled, ran Network Setup Wizard I don't know how
> >> many times.  Here's the problems.  All of them only see themselves in Network
> >> Group none of them can see each other.   I ran ipconfig/all to check all
> >> settings here they are.
> >>
> >> PC#1 Named Sec1
> >> Has ethernet adapter Realtek RTL8139/810X
> >> physical address 00-0c-76-9d-3e-a8
> >> Dhcp enabled: no
> >> IP address 192.168.0.1
> >> Subnet: 255.255.255.0
> >> (this pc also shows a second network adapter 1394 connection however I'm
> >> only aware of the one ethernet adapter for networking) This PC also connected
> >> to the internet.  I kept the firewall running for the internet connection.
> >>
> >> PC#2 Named Sec2
> >> Has ethernet adapter ethernet Realtek RTl8139
> >> Node type: mixed
> >> IP routing enabled: no
> >> Wins proxy enabled: no
> >> Physical address: 00-e0-18-07-fc-77
> >> Dhcp enabled: yes
> >> auto config enabled: yes
> >> auto config IP address: 169.254.67.240
> >> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
> >>
> >> PC#3 named Sec3
> >> Node type: nixed
> >> IP routing enabled: no
> >> Wins proxy enabled: no
> >> Ethernet wireless adapter - Belkin 802.11g
> >> Physical address: 00-30-bd-92-b8-9a
> >> Dhcp enabled: yes
> >> auto config enabled: yes
> >> auto config IP address: 169.254.65.210
> >> subnet mask: 255.255.0.0
> >>
> >> I have computer #1 & #2 connected with r54 cable to a hub.  I also have a
> >> Belkin WAP connected to the hub.  PC#1 can see the WAP but cannot see PC#3. 
> >> PC#3 can see the hub but cannot see PC#1.  The WAP has an SSID: wlan.  I
> >> tried running browstat but didn't get any information.  Computer said command
> >> not recognized. 
>
> >I just rebooted and Sec1 can now see and access Sec2 however they still don't
> >see Sec3.  Thank yo, RLG
>
> RLG,
>
> OK, you've eliminated half of the problems.  Now you need to solve a physical
> connectivity issue.  What is this hub, and how do you know that Sec3 can see it?
> Does the WAP show any signs of Sec3 connecting?
>
> See if there's anything else to tell us as listed here (follow all links 1 level
> please):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>    actual       address    pchuck       sonic      net.
>
Author
12 Jun 2005 10:23 PM
Chuck
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:40:04 -0700, RLG <R**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Chuck,
>The hub I'm sugin has 9 ports and is from 3com and is model Hub 8/tpo,
>3c16700.  The WAP software programs does show that 1 wireless connection is
>seen.  When I've checked the connectivity on Sec3 sometimes it shows it's
>connected and logged into the WLAN and others it says the connection is too
>weak for communication.  I've installed the hardware and software per mfgs
>instructions so I'm not sure where the problem lies.  I thought I might
>remove  the wireless card and WAP and start over.

Keep trying.  You still have at least 2 problems.  Besides the Sec3 connectivity
issue, you need to define "Sec1 and Sec2 can't see each other".
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>

--
Cheers,
Chuck
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
My        email         is          AT         DOT
   actual       address    pchuck       sonic      net.