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Windows XP Home Edition in a Domain Based Home Network

Author
19 Aug 2006 9:23 PM
Laird
I have a current small home network using Windows NT Server 4.0, two Windows
98 SE desktops and a laptop with Windows 98 ME.  I am upgrading the domain
controller from NT 4.0 Server to Windows Small Business Server 2003.

Here is my problem:

I want to upgrade the operating system on each PC and laptop.  I was told
but I am not sure, that I cannot use Windows XP Home Edition to connect to
my small network with a Primary Domain Controller.  I also understand I can
upgrade directly to the XP Home Edition from Windows 98SE.

If I have to use XP Professional, I understand I can only upgrade from a
Windows NT 4 Workstation or Windows 2000 Professional workstation.  I also
understand that XP Professional is the version that supports a domain based
network infrastructure.

Have I learned this correctly?  Is there a way to use XP Home Edition in my
small network domain?

Thanks for any help.

Best,


This leave a dilemma for me.  What to do?

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Author
19 Aug 2006 10:09 PM
Laird
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"Laird" <lair***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have a current small home network using Windows NT Server 4.0, two
Windows
> 98 SE desktops and a laptop with Windows 98 ME.  I am upgrading the domain
> controller from NT 4.0 Server to Windows Small Business Server 2003.
>
> Here is my problem:
>
> I want to upgrade the operating system on each PC and laptop.  I was told
> but I am not sure, that I cannot use Windows XP Home Edition to connect to
> my small network with a Primary Domain Controller.  I also understand I
can
> upgrade directly to the XP Home Edition from Windows 98SE.
>
> If I have to use XP Professional, I understand I can only upgrade from a
> Windows NT 4 Workstation or Windows 2000 Professional workstation.  I also
> understand that XP Professional is the version that supports a domain
based
> network infrastructure.
>
> Have I learned this correctly?  Is there a way to use XP Home Edition in
my
> small network domain?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Best,
>
>
> This leave a dilemma for me.  What to do?
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Update:


I checked on the Microsoft Web Site and see that I CAN upgrade to XP
Professional from Win 98 SE.  I understand that XP will not decompress
compressed 98 files, etc. so a user would have to do this before upgrade.

There is either incorrect or incomplete information in the following text:

Microsoft Windows XP, Deluxe Second Edition!, Online Training Solutions,
Inc.
Copyright 2005 Online Training Solutions, Inc.  Microsoft Press

Page ix :  Windows XP Professional:  [...] You can upgrade to Windows XP
Professional from Microsoft Windows NT Workstation or Microsoft Windows 2000
Professional.

Windows XP Home Edition:  [...] Windows XP Home Edition is designed as the
upgrade from Microsoft Windows 98 or Microsoft Windows Millenium Edition
(Windows ME).

It seems the text from the book is misleading since the Microsoft web site
says you can upgrade (as opposed to full install) to XP Professional from
Me, 98, NT and  Win 2000 Pro.

I hope I saved someone from an unnecessary reply.

Regards,

Phil
Author
20 Aug 2006 9:30 AM
Ian
A few thoughts anyway:

You'd gain most from spending money on the clients, as WinMe in particular
has dire stability problems, and XP would provide a more reliable platform.

I'd be inclined to do a fresh install of XP instead of an upgrade if at all
possible, even though that means reinstalling apps it would give you a new,
clean system.

There is no actual need to replace the NT server if it still meets your
needs. XP Pro can join an NT4 domain.

HP Home cannot join a domain, but with MyLogon it can connect to the server
in a manner which meets most of the usual requirements. On SBS this would not
give you all the additional SBS client features though, only a standard
file-sharing logon. 

-------------------------------

An alternative approach to XP network logon -  http://mylogon.net
Author
20 Aug 2006 6:29 PM
Laird
Ian,

We've made our minds to upgrade to SB 2003 because NT Server 4 no longer is
supported on several applications we run and we cannot upgrade any longer.
I might make the server a stand alone server later and use it for maybe a
print server.  It doesn't need to be upgraded to do that.

I agree, a fresh install on clean hard driver will minimize the risk of
registry problems (even those that have not become apparent at this time).

The ME must go.  it is the last 16 bit Windows OS.  I don't know what
Microsoft was thinking when it released this slug.

I have XP Pro on the way.  Thank you for your kind and thoughtful comments.

Best,

Phil



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"Ian" <I**@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> A few thoughts anyway:
>
> You'd gain most from spending money on the clients, as WinMe in particular
> has dire stability problems, and XP would provide a more reliable
platform.
>
> I'd be inclined to do a fresh install of XP instead of an upgrade if at
all
> possible, even though that means reinstalling apps it would give you a
new,
> clean system.
>
> There is no actual need to replace the NT server if it still meets your
> needs. XP Pro can join an NT4 domain.
>
> HP Home cannot join a domain, but with MyLogon it can connect to the
server
> in a manner which meets most of the usual requirements. On SBS this would
not
> give you all the additional SBS client features though, only a standard
> file-sharing logon.
>
> -------------------------------
>
> An alternative approach to XP network logon -  http://mylogon.net
>
>
>
Author
20 Aug 2006 4:02 PM
Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
In news:uoqA2y9wGHA.1224@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
Laird <lair***@yahoo.com> typed:


<snip>

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> Update:
>
>
> I checked on the Microsoft Web Site and see that I CAN upgrade to XP
> Professional from Win 98 SE.  I understand that XP will not decompress
> compressed 98 files, etc. so a user would have to do this before
> upgrade.
>
> There is either incorrect or incomplete information in the following
> text:
>
> Microsoft Windows XP, Deluxe Second Edition!, Online Training
> Solutions, Inc.
> Copyright 2005 Online Training Solutions, Inc.  Microsoft Press
>
> Page ix :  Windows XP Professional:  [...] You can upgrade to Windows
> XP Professional from Microsoft Windows NT Workstation or Microsoft
> Windows 2000 Professional.
>
> Windows XP Home Edition:  [...] Windows XP Home Edition is designed
> as the upgrade from Microsoft Windows 98 or Microsoft Windows
> Millenium Edition (Windows ME).
>
> It seems the text from the book is misleading since the Microsoft web
> site says you can upgrade (as opposed to full install) to XP
> Professional from Me, 98, NT and  Win 2000 Pro.
>
> I hope I saved someone from an unnecessary reply.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil

Yes, that is a bit misleading - but it just means, the upgrade path for a
home OS such as 9x is XP Home (it's designed to replace it) - whereas a
corporate OS such as NT/2k will be a logical fit for an XP Pro upgrade. And
you do want XP Pro when you use a domain, rather than Home.

So, depending on the age of your 9x PCs (how long have they been up and
running, etc) you might be better off choosing the 'clean install' option
when you put the XP Pro CD in. Upgrades in place to XP are not as
nerve-wracking as for prior versions of Windows, but I still prefer a clean
install when I have the option.

I'd run a Belarc report on each PC *first* to make sure you know what
drivers you may need - www.belarc.com

Re the SBS upgrade/migration - I'd do that first and make sure all the
workstation data was copied over to the server before beginning.

When you join the XP Pro computers to the domain make sure you use the
wizards (http://servername/connectcomputer). Do not try to do anything in
SBS without consulting the wizards/to-do list, or you will likely be very
sorry.
Author
20 Aug 2006 6:33 PM
Laird
Thanks very much about the 'belarc' report information.  As a matter of
fact, I have a CMDB already documented with information about each
configuration item in our small network here.  I already have a complete
listing of the drivers needed and the hardware and software on each client
down to the last bit of information.

I am prepared to use the SBS wizards when joining the clients to the new
domain.  Thank you for this useful information!

Sincerely,

Phil

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In news:uoqA2y9wGHA.1224@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
> Laird <lair***@yahoo.com> typed:
>
>
> <snip>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> > Update:
> >
> >
> > I checked on the Microsoft Web Site and see that I CAN upgrade to XP
> > Professional from Win 98 SE.  I understand that XP will not decompress
> > compressed 98 files, etc. so a user would have to do this before
> > upgrade.
> >
> > There is either incorrect or incomplete information in the following
> > text:
> >
> > Microsoft Windows XP, Deluxe Second Edition!, Online Training
> > Solutions, Inc.
> > Copyright 2005 Online Training Solutions, Inc.  Microsoft Press
> >
> > Page ix :  Windows XP Professional:  [...] You can upgrade to Windows
> > XP Professional from Microsoft Windows NT Workstation or Microsoft
> > Windows 2000 Professional.
> >
> > Windows XP Home Edition:  [...] Windows XP Home Edition is designed
> > as the upgrade from Microsoft Windows 98 or Microsoft Windows
> > Millenium Edition (Windows ME).
> >
> > It seems the text from the book is misleading since the Microsoft web
> > site says you can upgrade (as opposed to full install) to XP
> > Professional from Me, 98, NT and  Win 2000 Pro.
> >
> > I hope I saved someone from an unnecessary reply.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Phil
>
> Yes, that is a bit misleading - but it just means, the upgrade path for a
> home OS such as 9x is XP Home (it's designed to replace it) - whereas a
> corporate OS such as NT/2k will be a logical fit for an XP Pro upgrade.
And
> you do want XP Pro when you use a domain, rather than Home.
>
> So, depending on the age of your 9x PCs (how long have they been up and
> running, etc) you might be better off choosing the 'clean install' option
> when you put the XP Pro CD in. Upgrades in place to XP are not as
> nerve-wracking as for prior versions of Windows, but I still prefer a
clean
> install when I have the option.
>
> I'd run a Belarc report on each PC *first* to make sure you know what
> drivers you may need - www.belarc.com
>
> Re the SBS upgrade/migration - I'd do that first and make sure all the
> workstation data was copied over to the server before beginning.
>
> When you join the XP Pro computers to the domain make sure you use the
> wizards (http://servername/connectcomputer). Do not try to do anything in
> SBS without consulting the wizards/to-do list, or you will likely be very
> sorry.
Author
21 Aug 2006 3:11 AM
Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
In news:%234klCfIxGHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
Laird <lair***@yahoo.com> typed:
> Thanks very much about the 'belarc' report information.  As a matter
> of fact, I have a CMDB already documented with information about each
> configuration item in our small network here.  I already have a
> complete listing of the drivers needed and the hardware and software
> on each client down to the last bit of information.
>
> I am prepared to use the SBS wizards when joining the clients to the
> new domain.  Thank you for this useful information!


No problem - you might post in m.p.windows.server.sbs for more help...that
group gets a lot of traffic.


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>
> Sincerely,
>
> Phil
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe***@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:udIfGNHxGHA.4972@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> In news:uoqA2y9wGHA.1224@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
>> Laird <lair***@yahoo.com> typed:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Update:
>>>
>>>
>>> I checked on the Microsoft Web Site and see that I CAN upgrade to XP
>>> Professional from Win 98 SE.  I understand that XP will not
>>> decompress compressed 98 files, etc. so a user would have to do
>>> this before upgrade.
>>>
>>> There is either incorrect or incomplete information in the following
>>> text:
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows XP, Deluxe Second Edition!, Online Training
>>> Solutions, Inc.
>>> Copyright 2005 Online Training Solutions, Inc.  Microsoft Press
>>>
>>> Page ix :  Windows XP Professional:  [...] You can upgrade to
>>> Windows XP Professional from Microsoft Windows NT Workstation or
>>> Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional.
>>>
>>> Windows XP Home Edition:  [...] Windows XP Home Edition is designed
>>> as the upgrade from Microsoft Windows 98 or Microsoft Windows
>>> Millenium Edition (Windows ME).
>>>
>>> It seems the text from the book is misleading since the Microsoft
>>> web site says you can upgrade (as opposed to full install) to XP
>>> Professional from Me, 98, NT and  Win 2000 Pro.
>>>
>>> I hope I saved someone from an unnecessary reply.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Phil
>>
>> Yes, that is a bit misleading - but it just means, the upgrade path
>> for a home OS such as 9x is XP Home (it's designed to replace it) -
>> whereas a corporate OS such as NT/2k will be a logical fit for an XP
>> Pro upgrade. And you do want XP Pro when you use a domain, rather
>> than Home.
>>
>> So, depending on the age of your 9x PCs (how long have they been up
>> and running, etc) you might be better off choosing the 'clean
>> install' option when you put the XP Pro CD in. Upgrades in place to
>> XP are not as nerve-wracking as for prior versions of Windows, but I
>> still prefer a clean install when I have the option.
>>
>> I'd run a Belarc report on each PC *first* to make sure you know what
>> drivers you may need - www.belarc.com
>>
>> Re the SBS upgrade/migration - I'd do that first and make sure all
>> the workstation data was copied over to the server before beginning.
>>
>> When you join the XP Pro computers to the domain make sure you use
>> the wizards (http://servername/connectcomputer). Do not try to do
>> anything in SBS without consulting the wizards/to-do list, or you
>> will likely be very sorry.