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How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the "Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect one of the computers to the Internet. Best regards, Dima +79163876746 On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Hello! Dima,>How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >one of the computers to the Internet. >Best regards, >Dima >+79163876746 Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and how. The first scenario, >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling.>The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >through another computer on my network" on the other <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download browstat!): <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Thanks Chuck for your reply!
I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same settings. For my currently connected to the Internet computer: C:\Documents and Settings\Иван>ipconfig /all ÐаÑтройка протокола IP Ð´Ð»Ñ Windows Ð˜Ð¼Ñ ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ð¿ÑŒÑŽÑ‚ÐµÑ€Ð° . . . . . . . . . : A ОÑновной DNS-ÑÑƒÑ„Ñ„Ð¸ÐºÑ . . . . . . : Тип узла. . . . . . . . . . . . . : неизвеÑтный IP-Ð¼Ð°Ñ€ÑˆÑ€ÑƒÑ‚Ð¸Ð·Ð°Ñ†Ð¸Ñ Ð²ÐºÐ»ÑŽÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð° . . . . : да WINS-прокÑи включен . . . . . . . : нет Подключение по локальной Ñети - Ethernet адаптер: DNS-ÑÑƒÑ„Ñ„Ð¸ÐºÑ Ñтого Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ÐºÐ»ÑŽÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ . . : ОпиÑание . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Eth ernet NIC ФизичеÑкий адреÑ. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 Dhcp включен. . . . . . . . . . . : нет IP-Ð°Ð´Ñ€ÐµÑ . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 МаÑка подÑети . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 ОÑновной шлюз . . . . . . . . . . : netbynet - PPP адаптер: DNS-ÑÑƒÑ„Ñ„Ð¸ÐºÑ Ñтого Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ÐºÐ»ÑŽÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ . . : ОпиÑание . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface ФизичеÑкий адреÑ. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 Dhcp включен. . . . . . . . . . . : нет IP-Ð°Ð´Ñ€ÐµÑ . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 МаÑка подÑети . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 ОÑновной шлюз . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 DNS-Ñерверы . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 212.1.230.111 NetBIOS через TCP/IP. . . . . . . : отключен For my second computer: D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast Ethe rnet Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Hello! > >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >one of the computers to the Internet. > >Best regards, > >Dima > >+79163876746 > > Dima, > > Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > how. The first scenario, > >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >through another computer on my network" on the other > is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > > After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > browstat!): > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >Hello! >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >Best regards, >> >Dima >> >+79163876746 >> >> Dima, >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> how. The first scenario, >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> browstat!): >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >settings. >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >Eth >ernet NIC > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >netbynet - PPP ???????: > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > 212.1.230.111 > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >For my second computer: >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >Windows IP Configuration > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >Ethe >rnet Adapter > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Thanks Chuck for your reply!
Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to write about my configuration? Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Hello! > >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >Best regards, > >> >Dima > >> >+79163876746 > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> how. The first scenario, > >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> > >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> browstat!): > >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > > >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >settings. > >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >Eth > >ernet NIC > > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >netbynet - PPP ???????: > > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > > 212.1.230.111 > > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >For my second computer: > >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >Windows IP Configuration > > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >Ethe > >rnet Adapter > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > > Dima, > > OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture.> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >Dima >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> browstat!): >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >settings. >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >Eth >> >ernet NIC >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> > 212.1.230.111 >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >For my second computer: >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >Windows IP Configuration >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >Ethe >> >rnet Adapter >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> Dima, >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >write about my configuration? You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing A and D from seeing each other. 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is a NAT router. 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" setup? c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply!
The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with D. The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free local resources. D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A is disconnected. I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >Dima > >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> > >> >> Dima, > >> >> > >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> > >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> browstat!): > >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >settings. > >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >Eth > >> >ernet NIC > >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >For my second computer: > >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >Ethe > >> >rnet Adapter > >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > > >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >write about my configuration? > > OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > > You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > A and D from seeing each other. > 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > a NAT router. > 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > > You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > > We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >settings. >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >Eth >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >Ethe >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >write about my configuration? >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> A and D from seeing each other. >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> a NAT router. >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >D. >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >local resources. >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >the >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >is disconnected. >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A accessing the Internet separately? If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Thanks Chuck for your help!
I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the Internet through the LAN. The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> > >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >settings. > >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >Eth > >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> > >> >> Dima, > >> >> > >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >write about my configuration? > >> > >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> > >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> a NAT router. > >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> > >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> > >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > > >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >D. > >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >local resources. > >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >the > >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >is disconnected. > >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > > Dima, > > If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > accessing the Internet separately? > > If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: That changes things.> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> a NAT router. >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >D. >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >local resources. >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >the >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >is disconnected. >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> Dima, >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >Thanks Chuck for your help! >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the >Internet through the LAN. >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will be a rogue DHCP server. So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on BOTH A and D. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck, you were right that our LAN interfered in A and D connection! I got A
and D see each other and ICS on A, after disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The NSW tried to connect to the Internet and could not, after my choosing an Internet connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next time? All LAN's users have to enter a username and a password to connect to the Internet through our LAN. My computer A will not accept such a connection with a username and a password. Is the ICS given to computers of my workgroup only, not every computer on our LAN? I gave a unique name to my workgroup - kopn. Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> > >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> > >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> > >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> > >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >D. > >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >local resources. > >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >the > >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >is disconnected. > >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> > >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > > >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >Internet through the LAN. > >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > > That changes things. > > If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > be a rogue DHCP server. > > So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > on BOTH A and D. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > Thanks Chuck for your suggestion.
Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on BOTH A and D? Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> > >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> > >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> > >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> > >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >D. > >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >local resources. > >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >the > >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >is disconnected. > >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> > >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > > >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >Internet through the LAN. > >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > > That changes things. > > If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > be a rogue DHCP server. > > So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > on BOTH A and D. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> >> a NAT router. >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >> >D. >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >> >local resources. >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >> >the >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >> >is disconnected. >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the >> >Internet through the LAN. >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? >> >> That changes things. >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will >> be a rogue DHCP server. >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" >> on BOTH A and D. >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on >BOTH A and D? Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Thanks Chuck for your reply!
Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet with the same username and password at the same time. Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup computers only? I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next time? Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >> >D. > >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >> >local resources. > >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >> >the > >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >> >is disconnected. > >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> >> > >> >> Dima, > >> >> > >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> >> > >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >> >Internet through the LAN. > >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > >> > >> That changes things. > >> > >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > >> be a rogue DHCP server. > >> > >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > >> on BOTH A and D. > > >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. > >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This > >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on > >BOTH A and D? > > Dima, > > Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, > and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. > > If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be > used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have > to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to > have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and > remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> >> >> a NAT router. >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >> >> >D. >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >> >> >local resources. >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >> >> >the >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >> >> >is disconnected. >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the >> >> >Internet through the LAN. >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? >> >> >> >> That changes things. >> >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. >> >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" >> >> on BOTH A and D. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on >> >BOTH A and D? >> >> Dima, >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet >with the same username and password at the same time. >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup >computers only? >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next >time? >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. Does A connect to the residential LAN thru the switch? Does D also connect to the switch? Let's verify physical connectivity first. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org.
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"Chuck" wrote: Yes, A connects to the residential LAN through the switch. Yes, D is also > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >> >> >D. > >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >> >> >local resources. > >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >> >> >is disconnected. > >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >> >> >Internet through the LAN. > >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > >> >> > >> >> That changes things. > >> >> > >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. > >> >> > >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > >> >> on BOTH A and D. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. > >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This > >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on > >> >BOTH A and D? > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, > >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. > >> > >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be > >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have > >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to > >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and > >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. > > >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I > >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet > >with the same username and password at the same time. > >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN > >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to > >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup > >computers only? > >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by > >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The > >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet > >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete > >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next > >time? > >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does > >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by > >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. > > Dima, > > Does A connect to the residential LAN thru the switch? Does D also connect to > the switch? > > Let's verify physical connectivity first. Hello Chuck! connected to the switch. Best regards, Dima On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> >> >> a NAT router. >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >> >> >D. >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >> >> >local resources. >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >> >> >the >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >> >> >is disconnected. >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the >> >> >Internet through the LAN. >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? >> >> >> >> That changes things. >> >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. >> >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" >> >> on BOTH A and D. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on >> >BOTH A and D? >> >> Dima, >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet >with the same username and password at the same time. >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup >computers only? >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next >time? >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to use ICS to share Internet service with D. A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org.
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"Chuck" wrote: Thanks Chuck for your explanations!> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >> >> >D. > >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >> >> >local resources. > >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >> >> >is disconnected. > >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >> >> >Internet through the LAN. > >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > >> >> > >> >> That changes things. > >> >> > >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. > >> >> > >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > >> >> on BOTH A and D. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. > >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This > >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on > >> >BOTH A and D? > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, > >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. > >> > >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be > >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have > >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to > >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and > >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. > > >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I > >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet > >with the same username and password at the same time. > >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN > >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to > >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup > >computers only? > >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by > >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The > >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet > >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete > >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next > >time? > >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does > >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by > >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. > > Dima, > > If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet > service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to > use ICS to share Internet service with D. > > A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One > connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other > connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will > be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate > LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. > > If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. > Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. Best regards, Dima On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:19:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> >> >> >> a NAT router. >> >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >> >> >> >D. >> >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >> >> >> >local resources. >> >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >> >> >> >the >> >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >> >> >> >is disconnected. >> >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! >> >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the >> >> >> >Internet through the LAN. >> >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. >> >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the >> >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? >> >> >> >> >> >> That changes things. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, >> >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond >> >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address >> >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause >> >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will >> >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. >> >> >> >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select >> >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" >> >> >> on BOTH A and D. >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. >> >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This >> >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on >> >> >BOTH A and D? >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, >> >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. >> >> >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be >> >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have >> >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to >> >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and >> >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I >> >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet >> >with the same username and password at the same time. >> >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN >> >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to >> >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup >> >computers only? >> >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by >> >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The >> >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet >> >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete >> >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next >> >time? >> >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does >> >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by >> >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. >> >> Dima, >> >> If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet >> service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to >> use ICS to share Internet service with D. >> >> A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One >> connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other >> connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will >> be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate >> LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. >> >> If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. >> Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ >> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. >> My email is AT DOT >> actual address pchuck mvps org. >Thanks Chuck for your explanations! >Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a >residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This >computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other >computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a >hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch >with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of >each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP >address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. OK, I think we're both getting in synch now. That's usually the hardest part. If you're going to use A as the Internet host for D, you need to: 1) Add a second network adapter to A. 2) Connect A, using one adapter, to the residential LAN. 3) Connect D to the other adapter on A. 4) Run the NSW on A, and select This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this computer. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost Remember to select the right connection for getting the service, and for sharing the service! 5) Run the NSW on D, and select This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or through a residential gateway. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient Now as far as physical connections, once you have 2 adapters on A, you can use a switch or a cross over cable between the residential LAN and A, and between A and D, as convenient. But you do have to have 2 properly setup adapters on A. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org.
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"Chuck" wrote: Microsoft stoped sending notifications of replies in this group, that is why > On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:19:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> >> >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >> >> >> >D. > >> >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >> >> >> >local resources. > >> >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >> >> >> >is disconnected. > >> >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >> >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >> >> >> >Internet through the LAN. > >> >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >> >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >> >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That changes things. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > >> >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > >> >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > >> >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > >> >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > >> >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > >> >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > >> >> >> on BOTH A and D. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. > >> >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This > >> >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on > >> >> >BOTH A and D? > >> >> > >> >> Dima, > >> >> > >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, > >> >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. > >> >> > >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be > >> >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have > >> >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to > >> >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and > >> >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I > >> >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet > >> >with the same username and password at the same time. > >> >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN > >> >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to > >> >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup > >> >computers only? > >> >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by > >> >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The > >> >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet > >> >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete > >> >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next > >> >time? > >> >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does > >> >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by > >> >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet > >> service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to > >> use ICS to share Internet service with D. > >> > >> A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One > >> connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other > >> connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will > >> be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate > >> LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. > >> > >> If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. > >> Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers, > >> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > >> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > >> My email is AT DOT > >> actual address pchuck mvps org. > >Thanks Chuck for your explanations! > >Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a > >residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This > >computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other > >computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a > >hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch > >with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of > >each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP > >address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. > > Dima, > > OK, I think we're both getting in synch now. That's usually the hardest part. > > If you're going to use A as the Internet host for D, you need to: > 1) Add a second network adapter to A. > 2) Connect A, using one adapter, to the residential LAN. > 3) Connect D to the other adapter on A. > 4) Run the NSW on A, and select > This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my > network connect to the Internet through this computer. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost > Remember to select the right connection for getting the service, and for sharing > the service! > 5) Run the NSW on D, and select > This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or > through a residential gateway. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient > > Now as far as physical connections, once you have 2 adapters on A, you can use a > switch or a cross over cable between the residential LAN and A, and between A > and D, as convenient. But you do have to have 2 properly setup adapters on A. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html Hello Chuck! I did not see your reply. Thanks for your directions. When connecting without the ICS, should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a hub" to connect alternately, not at the same time, both computers to the Internet through the switch with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of each other? A has Windows XP SP2 Home, D - Windows XP SP2 MCE. I selected to turn off sharing in the NSW on A because of the NSW's warning, and now I on A don't have access to the Shared documents folder contents by myself. How to regain the access for me only? I did not select to turn off the sharing in the NSW on D (although the NSW warned on D too) to get access to D's disks from A. Best regards, Dima On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:47:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:19:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> >> >> >> >> a NAT router. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >> >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >> >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >> >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >> >> >> >> >D. >> >> >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >> >> >> >> >local resources. >> >> >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >> >> >> >> >the >> >> >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >> >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >> >> >> >> >is disconnected. >> >> >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> >> >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> >> >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> >> >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> >> >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> >> >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! >> >> >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the >> >> >> >> >Internet through the LAN. >> >> >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. >> >> >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the >> >> >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That changes things. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, >> >> >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond >> >> >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address >> >> >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause >> >> >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will >> >> >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select >> >> >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" >> >> >> >> on BOTH A and D. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. >> >> >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This >> >> >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on >> >> >> >BOTH A and D? >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, >> >> >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. >> >> >> >> >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be >> >> >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have >> >> >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to >> >> >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and >> >> >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I >> >> >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet >> >> >with the same username and password at the same time. >> >> >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN >> >> >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to >> >> >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup >> >> >computers only? >> >> >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by >> >> >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The >> >> >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet >> >> >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete >> >> >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next >> >> >time? >> >> >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does >> >> >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by >> >> >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet >> >> service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to >> >> use ICS to share Internet service with D. >> >> >> >> A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One >> >> connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other >> >> connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will >> >> be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate >> >> LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. >> >> >> >> If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. >> >> Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ >> >> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. >> >> My email is AT DOT >> >> actual address pchuck mvps org. >> >Thanks Chuck for your explanations! >> >Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a >> >residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This >> >computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other >> >computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a >> >hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch >> >with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of >> >each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP >> >address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. >> >> Dima, >> >> OK, I think we're both getting in synch now. That's usually the hardest part. >> >> If you're going to use A as the Internet host for D, you need to: >> 1) Add a second network adapter to A. >> 2) Connect A, using one adapter, to the residential LAN. >> 3) Connect D to the other adapter on A. >> 4) Run the NSW on A, and select >> This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my >> network connect to the Internet through this computer. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost >> Remember to select the right connection for getting the service, and for sharing >> the service! >> 5) Run the NSW on D, and select >> This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or >> through a residential gateway. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient >> >> Now as far as physical connections, once you have 2 adapters on A, you can use a >> switch or a cross over cable between the residential LAN and A, and between A >> and D, as convenient. But you do have to have 2 properly setup adapters on A. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >Hello Chuck! >Microsoft stoped sending notifications of replies in this group, that is why >I did not see your reply. >Thanks for your directions. >When connecting without the ICS, should I select "This computer connects to >the Internet through a residential gateway or through another computer on my >network" or "This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a >network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet >directly or through a hub" to connect alternately, not at the same time, both >computers to the Internet through the switch with the same username and >password and make them be able to use disks of each other? A has Windows XP >SP2 Home, D - Windows XP SP2 MCE. >I selected to turn off sharing in the NSW on A because of the NSW's warning, >and now I on A don't have access to the Shared documents folder contents by >myself. How to regain the access for me only? I did not select to turn off >the sharing in the NSW on D (although the NSW warned on D too) to get access >to D's disks from A. If you follow my procedure, you make this change once, and be done with it. D will have Internet service, AND A and D will be able to share files. Don't waste time developing an alternating configuration, get it working once. ICS will allow A to share Internet with D, and will allow the two computers to connect and to share files. To use ICS, A needs two network cards. Plain and simple. If you follow the above steps, 1 - 5, properly, and everything doesn't work, run "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" on each computer, and diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download browstat!): <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp Don't waste your time and mine trying to reconfigure to share files, and then again to access the Internet. Get it working properly, once. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Thanks Chuch for your directions.
The A is a notebook. I cannot add a second NIC to it. I selected to turn off sharing in the NSW on A because of the NSW's warning, and now I on A don't have access to the Shared documents folder contents by myself. How to regain the access for me only? Should I agree to the NSW's warning about the file sharing on A and turn the sharing off? When connecting without the ICS, should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a hub" to connect alternately, not at the same time, both computers to the Internet through the switch with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of each other? Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:47:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:19:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> >> >> >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >> >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >> >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >> >> >> >> >D. > >> >> >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >> >> >> >> >local resources. > >> >> >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >> >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >> >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >> >> >> >> >is disconnected. > >> >> >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> >> >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> >> >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> >> >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> >> >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> >> >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >> >> >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >> >> >> >> >Internet through the LAN. > >> >> >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >> >> >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >> >> >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> That changes things. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > >> >> >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > >> >> >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > >> >> >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > >> >> >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > >> >> >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > >> >> >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > >> >> >> >> on BOTH A and D. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. > >> >> >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This > >> >> >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on > >> >> >> >BOTH A and D? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, > >> >> >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be > >> >> >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have > >> >> >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to > >> >> >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and > >> >> >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I > >> >> >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet > >> >> >with the same username and password at the same time. > >> >> >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN > >> >> >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to > >> >> >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup > >> >> >computers only? > >> >> >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by > >> >> >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The > >> >> >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet > >> >> >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete > >> >> >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next > >> >> >time? > >> >> >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does > >> >> >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by > >> >> >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. > >> >> > >> >> Dima, > >> >> > >> >> If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet > >> >> service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to > >> >> use ICS to share Internet service with D. > >> >> > >> >> A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One > >> >> connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other > >> >> connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will > >> >> be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate > >> >> LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. > >> >> > >> >> If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. > >> >> Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > >> >> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > >> >> My email is AT DOT > >> >> actual address pchuck mvps org. > >> >Thanks Chuck for your explanations! > >> >Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a > >> >residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This > >> >computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other > >> >computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a > >> >hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch > >> >with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of > >> >each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP > >> >address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> OK, I think we're both getting in synch now. That's usually the hardest part. > >> > >> If you're going to use A as the Internet host for D, you need to: > >> 1) Add a second network adapter to A. > >> 2) Connect A, using one adapter, to the residential LAN. > >> 3) Connect D to the other adapter on A. > >> 4) Run the NSW on A, and select > >> This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my > >> network connect to the Internet through this computer. > >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost> > >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost > >> Remember to select the right connection for getting the service, and for sharing > >> the service! > >> 5) Run the NSW on D, and select > >> This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or > >> through a residential gateway. > >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient> > >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient > >> > >> Now as far as physical connections, once you have 2 adapters on A, you can use a On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:06:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:47:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:19:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> >> >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a NAT router. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >> >> >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >> >> >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >> >> >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >> >> >> >> >> >D. >> >> >> >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >> >> >> >> >> >local resources. >> >> >> >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >> >> >> >> >> >the >> >> >> >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >> >> >> >> >> >is disconnected. >> >> >> >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> >> >> >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> >> >> >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> >> >> >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> >> >> >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> >> >> >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! >> >> >> >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the >> >> >> >> >> >Internet through the LAN. >> >> >> >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. >> >> >> >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the >> >> >> >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That changes things. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, >> >> >> >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond >> >> >> >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address >> >> >> >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause >> >> >> >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will >> >> >> >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select >> >> >> >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" >> >> >> >> >> on BOTH A and D. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. >> >> >> >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This >> >> >> >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on >> >> >> >> >BOTH A and D? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, >> >> >> >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be >> >> >> >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have >> >> >> >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to >> >> >> >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and >> >> >> >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I >> >> >> >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet >> >> >> >with the same username and password at the same time. >> >> >> >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN >> >> >> >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to >> >> >> >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup >> >> >> >computers only? >> >> >> >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by >> >> >> >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The >> >> >> >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet >> >> >> >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete >> >> >> >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next >> >> >> >time? >> >> >> >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does >> >> >> >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by >> >> >> >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet >> >> >> service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to >> >> >> use ICS to share Internet service with D. >> >> >> >> >> >> A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One >> >> >> connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other >> >> >> connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will >> >> >> be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate >> >> >> LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. >> >> >> >> >> >> If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. >> >> >> Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. >> >> >> My email is AT DOT >> >> >> actual address pchuck mvps org. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your explanations! >> >> >Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a >> >> >residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This >> >> >computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other >> >> >computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a >> >> >hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch >> >> >with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of >> >> >each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP >> >> >address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> OK, I think we're both getting in synch now. That's usually the hardest part. >> >> >> >> If you're going to use A as the Internet host for D, you need to: >> >> 1) Add a second network adapter to A. >> >> 2) Connect A, using one adapter, to the residential LAN. >> >> 3) Connect D to the other adapter on A. >> >> 4) Run the NSW on A, and select >> >> This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my >> >> network connect to the Internet through this computer. >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost >> >> Remember to select the right connection for getting the service, and for sharing >> >> the service! >> >> 5) Run the NSW on D, and select >> >> This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or >> >> through a residential gateway. >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#NATClient >> >> >Thanks Chuch for your directions. >The A is a notebook. I cannot add a second NIC to it. >I selected to turn off sharing in the NSW on A because of the NSW's warning, >and now I on A don't have access to the Shared documents folder contents by >myself. How to regain the access for me only? >Should I agree to the NSW's warning about the file sharing on A and turn the >sharing off? >When connecting without the ICS, should I select "This computer connects to >the Internet through a residential gateway or through another computer on my >network" or "This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a >network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet >directly or through a hub" to connect alternately, not at the same time, both >computers to the Internet through the switch with the same username and >password and make them be able to use disks of each other? >Best regards, >Dima Your next solution, then, would be to get a NAT router, and configure it as a PPPoE client, with the username and password from A. You then configure BOTH A and D as "This computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway or through another computer on my network". That's hoping that the Internet service used on the residential LAN is standard PPPoE. If you continue to connect A to the residential LAN (thru the switch), and select "This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a hub" you will be running A as a rogue DHCP server on the residential LAN. Whoever owns the residential LAN will have problems with that. If you have only one account, I'm sorry for you. You CANNOT have one account, use a switch, connect multiple computers, and share complete Internet service to another computer, as you're doing. You could run a proxy server on A, and connect D thru the proxy. A proxy server will share specific services, and only with software on D that supports a proxy client. Analogx Proxy is one free solution that you can try. It supports HTTP (web), HTTPS (secure web), POP3 (receive mail), SMTP (send mail), NNTP (newsgroups), FTP (file transfer), and Socks4/4a and partial Socks5 (no UDP) protocols. <http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/proxy.htm> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/proxy.htm -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Thanks Chuck for your very practical knowledge.
I have found D-Link DUB-E100 USB NIC for my notebook A and connected to A. I followed your directions: selected "This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this computer" on A. I selected "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or through a residential gateway" on D. Now D gets the Internet through A! A and D connect through my straight, not crossover cable without the switch! NWS warned me to turn off the sharing on A. Should I turn the sharing off on A? I wanted to have access to A disks and a printer from D too. A has Windows XP Home SP2. Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:06:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:47:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:19:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:51:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:39:01 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:32:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >> >> >> >> >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >> >> >> >> >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >> >> >> >> >> >D. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >> >> >> >> >> >local resources. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >> >> >> >> >> >is disconnected. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> >> >> >> >> >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> >> >> >> >> >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> >> >> >> >> >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> >> >> >> >> >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> >> >> >> >> >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your help! > >> >> >> >> >> >I do not need A accessing the Internet separately. I need A accessing the > >> >> >> >> >> >Internet through the LAN. > >> >> >> >> >> >The free files are in the LAN's peer-to-peer network. > >> >> >> >> >> >I have only two computers: A and D. What did you mean D by ""one of the > >> >> >> >> >> >other computers" on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A"? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> That changes things. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> If you have A on the LAN with the other computers, and A is running DHCP / ICS, > >> >> >> >> >> one day when one of the other computers requests DHCP services, A will respond > >> >> >> >> >> before the official DHCP server 10.24.255.5. A will provide an address > >> >> >> >> >> assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN computers. This will cause > >> >> >> >> >> problems on the LAN, and eventually, the LAN admin will disconnect A as it will > >> >> >> >> >> be a rogue DHCP server. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> So lets look at the other possibility. Run the NSW on A and on D, and select > >> >> >> >> >> "This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" > >> >> >> >> >> on BOTH A and D. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your suggestion. > >> >> >> >> >Will A give the ICS to D if I run the NSW on A and on D, and select "This > >> >> >> >> >computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network" on > >> >> >> >> >BOTH A and D? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Run the NSW as specified, and forget about ICS. A and D will be DHCP clients, > >> >> >> >> and use 10.24.23.254 as the Internet gateway. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A is used as the Internet source, it can't be > >> >> >> >> used to share service to D also. To use A as an ICS server for D, you'll have > >> >> >> >> to add a second network adapter. That's the only way that you'll be able to > >> >> >> >> have A and D accessing the Internet thru the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A, and > >> >> >> >> remain connected to the residential LAN, without causing trouble. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >Our LAN requires a username and a password to give the Internet access. I > >> >> >> >have only one username and password. A and D can not connect to the Internet > >> >> >> >with the same username and password at the same time. > >> >> >> >Why will A provide an address assignment on 192.168.0/24, to one of the LAN > >> >> >> >computers, if LAN computers are setup to provide a username and password to > >> >> >> >connect to a server? Does A provide an address assignment to kopn workgroup > >> >> >> >computers only? > >> >> >> >I made D connct to the Internet through A, and A and D see each other by > >> >> >> >disconnecting our LAN's cable from my switch for the duration of the NSW. The > >> >> >> >NSW tried to connect to our LAN, but could not, after my choosing an Internet > >> >> >> >connection in the NSW. I had to wait several hours for the NSW to complete > >> >> >> >its last step with the copying. How to make the NSW complete faster a next > >> >> >> >time? > >> >> >> >Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does > >> >> >> >not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by > >> >> >> >the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet > >> >> >> service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to > >> >> >> use ICS to share Internet service with D. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One > >> >> >> connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other > >> >> >> connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will > >> >> >> be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate > >> >> >> LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. > >> >> >> Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Cheers, > >> >> >> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > >> >> >> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > >> >> >> My email is AT DOT > >> >> >> actual address pchuck mvps org. > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your explanations! > >> >> >Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a > >> >> >residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This > >> >> >computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other > >> >> >computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a > >> >> >hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch > >> >> >with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of > >> >> >each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP > >> >> >address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. > >> >> > >> >> Dima, > >> >> > >> >> OK, I think we're both getting in synch now. That's usually the hardest part. > >> >> > >> >> If you're going to use A as the Internet host for D, you need to: > >> >> 1) Add a second network adapter to A. > >> >> 2) Connect A, using one adapter, to the residential LAN. > >> >> 3) Connect D to the other adapter on A. > >> >> 4) Run the NSW on A, and select > >> >> This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my > >> >> network connect to the Internet through this computer. > >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost> > >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost > >> >> Remember to select the right connection for getting the service, and for sharing > >> >> the service! > >> >> 5) Run the NSW on D, and select > >> >> This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or > >> >> through a residential gateway. On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:09:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:06:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If A requires a username / password (WAN ("PPP/SLIP) Interface") for Internet >> >> >> >> service, then you'll need an additional network card on A, if you're going to >> >> >> >> use ICS to share Internet service with D. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A computer running ICS requires two physical network connections. One >> >> >> >> connection gets service, and will be on the residential LAN. The other >> >> >> >> connection provides service to D, will have an IP address 192.168.0.1, and will >> >> >> >> be on its own separate LAN (not the switch). D has to connect to this separate >> >> >> >> LAN, and get an IP address 192.168.0.n/24. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If D is getting an IP address of 10.24.21.226/22, it's on the residential LAN. >> >> >> >> Whether or not it gets Internet service with a username / password. >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your explanations! >> >> >> >Should I select "This computer connects to the Internet through a >> >> >> >residential gateway or through another computer on my network" or "This >> >> >> >computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network hub. Other >> >> >> >computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or through a >> >> >> >hub" to connect alternately both computers to the Internet through the switch >> >> >> >with the same username and password and make them be able to use disks of >> >> >> >each other? My username and password gives my computer direct Internet IP >> >> >> >address. The IP address of my computer is seen from the Internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, I think we're both getting in synch now. That's usually the hardest part. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you're going to use A as the Internet host for D, you need to: >> >> >> 1) Add a second network adapter to A. >> >> >> 2) Connect A, using one adapter, to the residential LAN. >> >> >> 3) Connect D to the other adapter on A. >> >> >> 4) Run the NSW on A, and select >> >> >> This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers on my >> >> >> network connect to the Internet through this computer. >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-network-setup-wizard-in-windows.html#ICSHost >> >> >> Remember to select the right connection for getting the service, and for sharing >> >> >> the service! >> >> >> 5) Run the NSW on D, and select >> >> >> This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my network or >> >> >> through a residential gateway. >Thanks Chuck for your very practical knowledge. >I have found D-Link DUB-E100 USB NIC for my notebook A and connected to A. >I followed your directions: selected "This computer connects directly to the >Internet. The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through >this computer" on A. I selected "This computer connects to the Internet >through another computer on my network or through a residential gateway" on >D. Now D gets the Internet through A! A and D connect through my straight, >not crossover cable without the switch! >NWS warned me to turn off the sharing on A. Should I turn the sharing off on >A? I wanted to have access to A disks and a printer from D too. A has Windows >XP Home SP2. >Best regards, >Dima I suspect that it's telling you to disable file sharing on the network connection that goes to the residential LAN. What services do you require there, anyway? -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: Dima,> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >settings. >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >Eth >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >Ethe >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >write about my configuration? >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> A and D from seeing each other. >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> a NAT router. >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >D. >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >local resources. >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >the >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >is disconnected. >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A accessing the Internet separately? If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. When that happens, you'll be running a rogue DHCP server on the LAN. Eventually, when one of the other LAN residents complains about lack of connectivity with the free local resources, the LAN admin will locate A and disconnect it from the LAN. Best you decide now exactly what you're trying to do here. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Dear Chuck,
I'm trying to give D access to the Internet through A because I have only one our LAN's username and a password. Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> > >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >settings. > >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >Eth > >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> > >> >> Dima, > >> >> > >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >write about my configuration? > >> > >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> > >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> a NAT router. > >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> > >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> > >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > > >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >D. > >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >local resources. > >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >the > >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >is disconnected. > >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > > Dima, > > If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > accessing the Internet separately? > > If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > > When that happens, you'll be running a rogue DHCP server on the LAN. > Eventually, when one of the other LAN residents complains about lack of > connectivity with the free local resources, the LAN admin will locate A and > disconnect it from the LAN. > > Best you decide now exactly what you're trying to do here. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:44:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >"Chuck" wrote: If that's the case, Dima, then you'll have to add a second network adapter in A,> >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Hello! >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >Best regards, >> >> >> >> >Dima >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download >> >> >> >> browstat!): >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same >> >> >> >settings. >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast >> >> >> >Eth >> >> >> >ernet NIC >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? >> >> >> >For my second computer: >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast >> >> >> >Ethe >> >> >> >rnet Adapter >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 >> >> >> >> >> >> Dima, >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. >> >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to >> >> >write about my configuration? >> >> >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. >> >> >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing >> >> A and D from seeing each other. >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is >> >> a NAT router. >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. >> >> >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? >> >> >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with >> >D. >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free >> >local resources. >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to >> >the >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A >> >is disconnected. >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. >> >> Dima, >> >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A >> accessing the Internet separately? >> >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. >> >> When that happens, you'll be running a rogue DHCP server on the LAN. >> Eventually, when one of the other LAN residents complains about lack of >> connectivity with the free local resources, the LAN admin will locate A and >> disconnect it from the LAN. >> >> Best you decide now exactly what you're trying to do here. >Dear Chuck, >I'm trying to give D access to the Internet through A because I have only >one our LAN's username and a password. and put D on a separate LAN below A. You can't have both connected directly to the residential LAN, and have D getting service thru A, without causing trouble. See my immediately previous reply. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Dear Chuck,
Why do you write that D is connected directly to the residential LAN? D does not have a unique username and password to connect to the LAN. D is setup by the NSW to connect to the Internet through A in the same workgroup kopn. Best regards, Dima Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:44:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >"Chuck" wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:19:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:43:02 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Hello! > >> >> >> >> >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >> >> >> >> >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >> >> >> >> >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >> >> >> >> >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >> >> >> >> >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >> >> >> >> >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >> >> >> >> >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >> >> >> >> >one of the computers to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >Best regards, > >> >> >> >> >Dima > >> >> >> >> >+79163876746 > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > >> >> >> >> how. The first scenario, > >> >> >> >> >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >> >> >> >> >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >> >> >> >> >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >> >> >> >> >through another computer on my network" on the other > >> >> >> >> is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > >> >> >> >> "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > >> >> >> >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > >> >> >> >> browstat!): > >> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > >> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >> >I tried to share internet connection on my both computers: a and d. > >> >> >> >Both computers can be connected to the Internet alone, whith the same > >> >> >> >settings. > >> >> >> >For my currently connected to the Internet computer: > >> >> >> >C:\Documents and Settings\????>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >????????? ????????? IP ??? Windows > >> >> >> > ??? ?????????? . . . . . . . . . : A > >> >> >> > ???????? DNS-??????? . . . . . . : > >> >> >> > ??? ????. . . . . . . . . . . . . : ??????????? > >> >> >> > IP-????????????? ???????? . . . . : ?? > >> >> >> > WINS-?????? ??????? . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> >??????????? ?? ????????? ???? - Ethernet ???????: > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast > >> >> >> >Eth > >> >> >> >ernet NIC > >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-B0-7B-86-96 > >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 > >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> >netbynet - PPP ???????: > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? ????? ??????????? . . : > >> >> >> > ???????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > >> >> >> > ?????????? ?????. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > >> >> >> > Dhcp ???????. . . . . . . . . . . : ??? > >> >> >> > IP-????? . . . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> > ????? ??????? . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > >> >> >> > ???????? ???? . . . . . . . . . . : 213.141.137.107 > >> >> >> > DNS-??????? . . . . . . . . . . . : 212.1.224.34 > >> >> >> > 212.1.230.111 > >> >> >> > NetBIOS ????? TCP/IP. . . . . . . : ???????? > >> >> >> >For my second computer: > >> >> >> >D:\Documents and Settings\k>ipconfig /all > >> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration > >> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : d > >> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > >> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed > >> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > >> >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > >> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netbynet.ru > >> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 to Fast > >> >> >> >Ethe > >> >> >> >rnet Adapter > >> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C8-37-E2-90 > >> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes > >> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.21.226 > >> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.252.0 > >> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.23.254 > >> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.5 > >> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.24.255.2 > >> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 1 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 2 ?????? 2006 ?. 22:07:44 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dima, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> OK, A is running a WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface. How does the Realtek RTL8139/810x > >> >> >> on A connect to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D? Is this where the switch comes into > >> >> >> play? What is 10.24.255.5? That's your problem. With A running ICS and DHCP, > >> >> >> and D getting DHCP settings from 10.24.255.5, your 2 computers are on separate > >> >> >> subnets. What else is connected to the switch? Start there. > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks Chuck for your reply! > >> >> >Yes, the Realtek RTL8139/810x on A connects to the D-Link DUB-E100 on D > >> >> >through my home switch. I don't know what the 10.24.255.5 is. I and any other > >> >> >people did not set any IP on my side. My Switch is connected through its > >> >> >Uplink port to our residential LAN for the Internet connection. What else to > >> >> >write about my configuration? > >> >> > >> >> OK, Dima, I think I'm getting the picture. > >> >> > >> >> You have computers A and D, connected thru a switch (make / model?) to a > >> >> residential LAN. A is connected to the Internet by dialup / PPPoE (PPP/SLIP). > >> >> The residential LAN doesn't provide Internet service (??), so you're trying to > >> >> share service on A with D. Unfortunately, D is getting DHCP settings from > >> >> something on the residential LAN. The DHCP server on the residential LAN is > >> >> interfering with the settings provided by the DHCP / ICS server on A, preventing > >> >> A and D from seeing each other. > >> >> 1) Replace the switch with a router, but one that does NOT run NAT. ICS on A is > >> >> a NAT router. > >> >> 2) Disconnect from the residential LAN altogether. > >> >> 3) Give D a fixed IP setup of 192.168.0.2, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.1, > >> >> 212.1.224.34, 212.1.230.111. > >> >> > >> >> You're leaving a lot of unanswered questions. > >> >> a) What is the purpose of this residential LAN? > >> >> b) Does D have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to the > >> >> Internet through another computer on my network" setup? > >> >> c) If #2 is "Yes", then does it have service if you turn A off? > >> >> d) If you try solution 3, what happens to the other computers on the LAN? > >> >> > >> >> We really need a good answer to what the residential LAN is used for. > >> > >> >Thanks Chuck for your sympathizing reply! > >> >The switch make is 3com, model is OfficeConnect 8. > >> >A is connected to the Internet through the residential LAN. The residential > >> >LAN does provide Internet service. I'm trying to share the service on A with > >> >D. > >> >The purpose of this residential LAN is the Internet connection and free > >> >local resources. > >> >D does not have Internet service, when using the "This computer connects to > >> >the > >> >Internet through another computer on my network" setup - ICS does not work. > >> >It does not have ICS service if I turn A off. It can connect, however, to > >> >the Internet with the same as at A settings when the Internet connection at A > >> >is disconnected. > >> >I will try solution 3 in 4 hours. > >> > >> Dima, > >> > >> If the residential LAN does provide Internet service, why do you need A > >> accessing the Internet separately? > >> > >> If you setup A on the residential LAN, providing Internet service (DHCP / ICS), > >> eventually one of the other computers on the LAN is going to get DHCP settings > >> from A. That computer will be accessing the Internet thru A, and won't be able > >> to access the free local resources, as it will be on the 192.168.0/24 subnet > >> with A, not on 10.24.20.0/22 with the free resources. > >> > >> When that happens, you'll be running a rogue DHCP server on the LAN. > >> Eventually, when one of the other LAN residents complains about lack of > >> connectivity with the free local resources, the LAN admin will locate A and > >> disconnect it from the LAN. > >> > >> Best you decide now exactly what you're trying to do here. > > >Dear Chuck, > >I'm trying to give D access to the Internet through A because I have only > >one our LAN's username and a password. > > If that's the case, Dima, then you'll have to add a second network adapter in A, > and put D on a separate LAN below A. You can't have both connected directly to > the residential LAN, and have D getting service thru A, without causing trouble. > See my immediately previous reply. > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > For my connected to the Internet computer:
Status for domain KOPN on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C69393EA-21F1-421D-9BB1-84EF3E8C663F} Browsing is active on domain. Master browser name is: A Could not connect to registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build of browser master: 5 Unable to determine server information for browser master: 5 1 backup servers retrieved from master A \\A Unable to retrieve server list from A : 2351 Usage: BROWSTAT LISTWFW <Domain> List WFW servers that are actually running browser. Type "BROWSTAT" to list all switches. Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Hello! > >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >one of the computers to the Internet. > >Best regards, > >Dima > >+79163876746 > > Dima, > > Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > how. The first scenario, > >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >through another computer on my network" on the other > is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > > After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > browstat!): > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > For my computer without an Internet connection:
Status for domain KOPN on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{80796AF2-C944-41A3-B5B8-BCF6EEBBFA82} Browsing is active on domain. Master browser name is: D Could not connect to registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build of browser master: 5 Unable to determine server information for browser master: 5 1 backup servers retrieved from master D \\D Unable to retrieve server list from D : 2351 Usage: BROWSTAT LISTWFW <Domain> List WFW servers that are actually running browser. Type "BROWSTAT" to list all switches. Show quoteHide quote "Chuck" wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:36:03 -0800, D <D@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Hello! > >How to see my second computer in my home network, when I select in the > >"Network setup Wizard" the "This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >through another computer on my network" on the other? The computers see each > >other in the "View workgroup computers" and only one computer can connect to > >the Internet, when I select the "This computer belongs to a network that does > >not have an Internet connection" on my both computers. > >My both computers are connected to my Switch. The Switch is connected to my > >residential network http://www.globonet.ru/settings, through which I connect > >one of the computers to the Internet. > >Best regards, > >Dima > >+79163876746 > > Dima, > > Please identify, by name, which computer connects directly to the Internet, and > how. The first scenario, > >"This computer connects directly to the Internet. > >The other computers on my network connect to the Internet through this > >computer" on one computer, and "This computer connects to the Internet > >through another computer on my network" on the other > is most likely correct, but it depends upon the physical cabling. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/connecting-two-computers-with.html > > After repeating the first scenario, let's look at "browstat status" and > "ipconfig /all", from each computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this > article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download > browstat!): > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp > > -- > Cheers, > Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. > My email is AT DOT > actual address pchuck mvps org. > 
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