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Author
6 Nov 2006 2:55 PM
eAndy
I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
wireless network.

Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
other.

I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
to suggest that).

The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.

Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
networks.

I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.

Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
MSN Live Messenger work).

Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.

I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
expected.

To date I have found that if I:

1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
the DNS settings.
2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
4. Connect to the wireless network

(I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
workaround acheives that.

I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.

Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>

Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.

Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
be invaluable.

Thanks in advance.

Author
6 Nov 2006 4:09 PM
Robert L [MVP - Networking]
Posting the results of ipconfig /all and routing table here may help.

Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
  "eAndy" <eA***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1670C54E-2799-444C-8872-153F66192D94@microsoft.com...
  I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
  wireless network.

  Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
  a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
  other.

  I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
  to suggest that).

  The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
  The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.

  Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
  networks.

  I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.

  Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
  MSN Live Messenger work).

  Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
  a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.

  I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
  does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
  traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
  expected.

  To date I have found that if I:

  1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
  ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
  the DNS settings.
  2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
  3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
  4. Connect to the wireless network

  (I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
  not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
  workaround acheives that.

  I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.

  Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
  re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
  addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>

  Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
  solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.

  Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
  material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
  read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
  be invaluable.

  Thanks in advance.
Author
6 Nov 2006 4:25 PM
eAndy
here's the route information (requested in earlier posting)

Additional question: is it possible that the Deterministic Network Enhancer
is doing something it "thinks" is helpful?

Thanks

===========================================================================
Interface List
0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
Miniport
0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
Scheduler Miniport
===========================================================================
===========================================================================
Active Routes:
Network Destination        Netmask          Gateway       Interface  Metric
          0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0       10.82.16.1    10.82.19.157       20
          0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0    192.168.1.199   192.168.1.212       25
       10.82.16.0    255.255.248.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
     10.82.19.157  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       20
   10.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
        127.0.0.0        255.0.0.0        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       1
      192.168.1.0    255.255.255.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
    192.168.1.212  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       25
    192.168.1.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
        224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
        224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
  255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       1
  255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       1
Default Gateway:        10.82.16.1
===========================================================================
Persistent Routes:
  None



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"eAndy" wrote:

> I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
> wireless network.
>
> Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
> a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
> other.
>
> I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
> to suggest that).
>
> The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
> The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.
>
> Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
> networks.
>
> I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.
>
> Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
> MSN Live Messenger work).
>
> Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
> a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.
>
> I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
> does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
> traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
> expected.
>
> To date I have found that if I:
>
> 1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
> ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
> the DNS settings.
> 2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
> 3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
> 4. Connect to the wireless network
>
> (I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
> not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
> workaround acheives that.
>
> I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.
>
> Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
> re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
> addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>
>
> Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
> solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.
>
> Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
> material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
> read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
> be invaluable.
>
> Thanks in advance.
Author
6 Nov 2006 5:55 PM
Robert L [MVP - Networking]
Where is the result of ipconfig /all? Have you setup two default gateway?

Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
  "eAndy" <eA***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:92B766D8-6486-4988-AE08-69457326FC8A@microsoft.com...
  here's the route information (requested in earlier posting)

  Additional question: is it possible that the Deterministic Network Enhancer
  is doing something it "thinks" is helpful?

  Thanks

  ===========================================================================
  Interface List
  0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
  0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
  Miniport
  0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
  Scheduler Miniport
  ===========================================================================
  ===========================================================================
  Active Routes:
  Network Destination        Netmask          Gateway       Interface  Metric
            0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0       10.82.16.1    10.82.19.157       20
            0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0    192.168.1.199   192.168.1.212       25
         10.82.16.0    255.255.248.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
       10.82.19.157  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       20
     10.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
          127.0.0.0        255.0.0.0        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       1
        192.168.1.0    255.255.255.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
      192.168.1.212  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       25
      192.168.1.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
          224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
          224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
    255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       1
    255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       1
  Default Gateway:        10.82.16.1
  ===========================================================================
  Persistent Routes:
    None



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  "eAndy" wrote:

  > I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
  > wireless network.
  >
  > Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
  > a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
  > other.
  >
  > I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
  > to suggest that).
  >
  > The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
  > The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.
  >
  > Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
  > networks.
  >
  > I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.
  >
  > Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
  > MSN Live Messenger work).
  >
  > Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
  > a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.
  >
  > I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
  > does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
  > traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
  > expected.
  >
  > To date I have found that if I:
  >
  > 1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
  > ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
  > the DNS settings.
  > 2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
  > 3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
  > 4. Connect to the wireless network
  >
  > (I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
  > not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
  > workaround acheives that.
  >
  > I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.
  >
  > Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
  > re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
  > addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>
  >
  > Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
  > solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.
  >
  > Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
  > material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
  > read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
  > be invaluable.
  >
  > Thanks in advance.
Author
6 Nov 2006 8:43 PM
eAndy
Sorry, I didn't see the request for 'ipconfig /all' everything is below.

=====================================

ipconfig /all
==========

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : {name removed}
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : {name removed}
Ethernet adapter Wired Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : {name removed}
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Integrated Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.19.157
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
10.82.12.129
Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.101
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
1:48:14 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
2:18:14 PM

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Wireless Network Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.212
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 122.146.72.181 (changed slightly)
122.38.167.32 (changed slightly)
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
10:47:29 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, November 07, 2006
10:47:29 AM

=====================================

Route Print
=======
Interface List
0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
Miniport
0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
Scheduler Miniport
===========================================================================
===========================================================================
Active Routes:
Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.82.16.1 10.82.19.157 20
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.199 192.168.1.212 25
10.82.16.0 255.255.248.0 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
10.82.19.157 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 20
10.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
192.168.1.212 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 25
192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 1
255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 1
Default Gateway: 10.82.16.1
===========================================================================
Persistent Routes:
None


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"Robert L [MVP - Networking]" wrote:

> Where is the result of ipconfig /all? Have you setup two default gateway?
>
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
>   "eAndy" <eA***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:92B766D8-6486-4988-AE08-69457326FC8A@microsoft.com...
>   here's the route information (requested in earlier posting)
>
>   Additional question: is it possible that the Deterministic Network Enhancer
>   is doing something it "thinks" is helpful?
>
>   Thanks
>
>   ===========================================================================
>   Interface List
>   0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
>   0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
>   Miniport
>   0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
>   Scheduler Miniport
>   ===========================================================================
>   ===========================================================================
>   Active Routes:
>   Network Destination        Netmask          Gateway       Interface  Metric
>             0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0       10.82.16.1    10.82.19.157       20
>             0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0    192.168.1.199   192.168.1.212       25
>          10.82.16.0    255.255.248.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
>        10.82.19.157  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       20
>      10.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
>           127.0.0.0        255.0.0.0        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       1
>         192.168.1.0    255.255.255.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
>       192.168.1.212  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       25
>       192.168.1.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
>           224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
>           224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
>     255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       1
>     255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       1
>   Default Gateway:        10.82.16.1
>   ===========================================================================
>   Persistent Routes:
>     None
>
>
>
>   "eAndy" wrote:
>
>   > I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
>   > wireless network.
>   >
>   > Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
>   > a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
>   > other.
>   >
>   > I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
>   > to suggest that).
>   >
>   > The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
>   > The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.
>   >
>   > Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
>   > networks.
>   >
>   > I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.
>   >
>   > Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
>   > MSN Live Messenger work).
>   >
>   > Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
>   > a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.
>   >
>   > I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
>   > does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
>   > traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
>   > expected.
>   >
>   > To date I have found that if I:
>   >
>   > 1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
>   > ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
>   > the DNS settings.
>   > 2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
>   > 3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
>   > 4. Connect to the wireless network
>   >
>   > (I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
>   > not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
>   > workaround acheives that.
>   >
>   > I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.
>   >
>   > Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
>   > re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
>   > addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>
>   >
>   > Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
>   > solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.
>   >
>   > Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
>   > material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
>   > read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
>   > be invaluable.
>   >
>   > Thanks in advance
Author
6 Nov 2006 11:13 PM
Robert L [MVP - Networking]
Multihomed computer with two default gateway may cause the routing issue. This search result may help,

Routing Don't add default gateway across disjoint networks Is it possible both sites of the VPN using the same IP range Issues of a multihomed computer with two ...
      www.chicagotech.net/routing.htm 


Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
  "eAndy" <eA***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A0AB28F2-FE63-4DF4-A216-54CB96C8B476@microsoft.com...
  Sorry, I didn't see the request for 'ipconfig /all' everything is below.

  =====================================

  ipconfig /all
  ==========

  Windows IP Configuration

  Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : {name removed}
  Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
  Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
  IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
  WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
  DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : {name removed}
  Ethernet adapter Wired Network Connection:

  Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : {name removed}
  Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Integrated Controller
  Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
  Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
  Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
  IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.19.157
  Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
  Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.1
  DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
  DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
  10.82.12.129
  Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.101
  Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
  1:48:14 PM
  Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
  2:18:14 PM

  Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:

  Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
  Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Wireless Network Connection
  Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
  Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
  Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
  IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.212
  Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
  Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
  DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
  DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 122.146.72.181 (changed slightly)
  122.38.167.32 (changed slightly)
  Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
  10:47:29 AM
  Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, November 07, 2006
  10:47:29 AM

  =====================================

  Route Print
  =======
  Interface List
  0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
  0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
  Miniport
  0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
  Scheduler Miniport
  ===========================================================================
  ===========================================================================
  Active Routes:
  Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric
  0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.82.16.1 10.82.19.157 20
  0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.199 192.168.1.212 25
  10.82.16.0 255.255.248.0 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
  10.82.19.157 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 20
  10.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
  127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
  192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
  192.168.1.212 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 25
  192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
  224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
  224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
  255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 1
  255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 1
  Default Gateway: 10.82.16.1
  ===========================================================================
  Persistent Routes:
  None


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  "Robert L [MVP - Networking]" wrote:

  > Where is the result of ipconfig /all? Have you setup two default gateway?
  >
  > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
  > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
  > How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
  >   "eAndy" <eA***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:92B766D8-6486-4988-AE08-69457326FC8A@microsoft.com...
  >   here's the route information (requested in earlier posting)
  >
  >   Additional question: is it possible that the Deterministic Network Enhancer
  >   is doing something it "thinks" is helpful?
  >
  >   Thanks
  >
  >   ===========================================================================
  >   Interface List
  >   0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
  >   0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
  >   Miniport
  >   0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
  >   Scheduler Miniport
  >   ===========================================================================
  >   ===========================================================================
  >   Active Routes:
  >   Network Destination        Netmask          Gateway       Interface  Metric
  >             0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0       10.82.16.1    10.82.19.157       20
  >             0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0    192.168.1.199   192.168.1.212       25
  >          10.82.16.0    255.255.248.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
  >        10.82.19.157  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       20
  >      10.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
  >           127.0.0.0        255.0.0.0        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       1
  >         192.168.1.0    255.255.255.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
  >       192.168.1.212  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       25
  >       192.168.1.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
  >           224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
  >           224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
  >     255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       1
  >     255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       1
  >   Default Gateway:        10.82.16.1
  >   ===========================================================================
  >   Persistent Routes:
  >     None
  >
  >
  >
  >   "eAndy" wrote:
  >
  >   > I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
  >   > wireless network.
  >   >
  >   > Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
  >   > a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
  >   > other.
  >   >
  >   > I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
  >   > to suggest that).
  >   >
  >   > The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
  >   > The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.
  >   >
  >   > Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
  >   > networks.
  >   >
  >   > I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.
  >   >
  >   > Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
  >   > MSN Live Messenger work).
  >   >
  >   > Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
  >   > a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.
  >   >
  >   > I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
  >   > does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
  >   > traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
  >   > expected.
  >   >
  >   > To date I have found that if I:
  >   >
  >   > 1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
  >   > ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
  >   > the DNS settings.
  >   > 2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
  >   > 3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
  >   > 4. Connect to the wireless network
  >   >
  >   > (I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
  >   > not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
  >   > workaround acheives that.
  >   >
  >   > I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.
  >   >
  >   > Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
  >   > re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
  >   > addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>
  >   >
  >   > Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
  >   > solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.
  >   >
  >   > Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
  >   > material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
  >   > read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
  >   > be invaluable.
  >   >
  >   > Thanks in advance
Author
7 Nov 2006 1:02 AM
eAndy
ok, so it says "don't do that" but what's the solution?

Like I said, if I removed the 0.0.0.0 route entry for the 10.x.x.x network
its all works fine UNTIL something magical happens and decides to
automagically add back that deleted route.

What's doing that?


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"Robert L [MVP - Networking]" wrote:

> Multihomed computer with two default gateway may cause the routing issue. This search result may help,
>
> Routing Don't add default gateway across disjoint networks Is it possible both sites of the VPN using the same IP range Issues of a multihomed computer with two ...
>       www.chicagotech.net/routing.htm 
>
>
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
>   "eAndy" <eA***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A0AB28F2-FE63-4DF4-A216-54CB96C8B476@microsoft.com...
>   Sorry, I didn't see the request for 'ipconfig /all' everything is below.
>
>   =====================================
>
>   ipconfig /all
>   ==========
>
>   Windows IP Configuration
>
>   Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : {name removed}
>   Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>   Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
>   IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>   WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>   DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : {name removed}
>   Ethernet adapter Wired Network Connection:
>
>   Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : {name removed}
>   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Integrated Controller
>   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
>   Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>   IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.19.157
>   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
>   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.1
>   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
>   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
>   10.82.12.129
>   Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.101
>   Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
>   1:48:14 PM
>   Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
>   2:18:14 PM
>
>   Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
>
>   Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>   Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Wireless Network Connection
>   Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
>   Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>   Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>   IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.212
>   Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>   Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
>   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
>   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 122.146.72.181 (changed slightly)
>   122.38.167.32 (changed slightly)
>   Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
>   10:47:29 AM
>   Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, November 07, 2006
>   10:47:29 AM
>
>   =====================================
>
>   Route Print
>   =======
>   Interface List
>   0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
>   0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
>   Miniport
>   0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
>   Scheduler Miniport
>   ===========================================================================
>   ===========================================================================
>   Active Routes:
>   Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric
>   0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.82.16.1 10.82.19.157 20
>   0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.199 192.168.1.212 25
>   10.82.16.0 255.255.248.0 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
>   10.82.19.157 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 20
>   10.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
>   127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
>   192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
>   192.168.1.212 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 25
>   192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
>   224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 20
>   224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 25
>   255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 10.82.19.157 10.82.19.157 1
>   255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.212 192.168.1.212 1
>   Default Gateway: 10.82.16.1
>   ===========================================================================
>   Persistent Routes:
>   None
>
>
>   "Robert L [MVP - Networking]" wrote:
>
>   > Where is the result of ipconfig /all? Have you setup two default gateway?
>   >
>   > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
>   > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
>   > How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
>   >   "eAndy" <eA***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:92B766D8-6486-4988-AE08-69457326FC8A@microsoft.com...
>   >   here's the route information (requested in earlier posting)
>   >
>   >   Additional question: is it possible that the Deterministic Network Enhancer
>   >   is doing something it "thinks" is helpful?
>   >
>   >   Thanks
>   >
>   >   ===========================================================================
>   >   Interface List
>   >   0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
>   >   0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
>   >   Miniport
>   >   0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
>   >   Scheduler Miniport
>   >   ===========================================================================
>   >   ===========================================================================
>   >   Active Routes:
>   >   Network Destination        Netmask          Gateway       Interface  Metric
>   >             0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0       10.82.16.1    10.82.19.157       20
>   >             0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0    192.168.1.199   192.168.1.212       25
>   >          10.82.16.0    255.255.248.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
>   >        10.82.19.157  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       20
>   >      10.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
>   >           127.0.0.0        255.0.0.0        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       1
>   >         192.168.1.0    255.255.255.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
>   >       192.168.1.212  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       25
>   >       192.168.1.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
>   >           224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
>   >           224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
>   >     255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       1
>   >     255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       1
>   >   Default Gateway:        10.82.16.1
>   >   ===========================================================================
>   >   Persistent Routes:
>   >     None
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   "eAndy" wrote:
>   >
>   >   > I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
>   >   > wireless network.
>   >   >
>   >   > Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
>   >   > a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
>   >   > other.
>   >   >
>   >   > I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
>   >   > to suggest that).
>   >   >
>   >   > The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
>   >   > The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.
>   >   >
>   >   > Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
>   >   > networks.
>   >   >
>   >   > I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.
>   >   >
>   >   > Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
>   >   > MSN Live Messenger work).
>   >   >
>   >   > Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
>   >   > a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.
>   >   >
>   >   > I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
>   >   > does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
>   >   > traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
>   >   > expected.
>   >   >
>   >   > To date I have found that if I:
>   >   >
>   >   > 1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
>   >   > ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
>   >   > the DNS settings.
>   >   > 2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
>   >   > 3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
>   >   > 4. Connect to the wireless network
>   >   >
>   >   > (I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
>   >   > not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
>   >   > workaround acheives that.
>   >   >
>   >   > I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.
>   >   >
>   >   > Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
>   >   > re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
>   >   > addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>
>   >   >
>   >   > Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
>   >   > solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.
>   >   >
>   >   > Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
>   >   > material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
>   >   > read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
>   >   > be invaluable.
>   >   >
>   >   > Thanks in advance
Author
6 Nov 2006 6:57 PM
eAndy
Sorry, I didn't see the request for 'ipconfig /all' everything is below.

=====================================

ipconfig /all
==========

Windows IP Configuration

        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : {name removed}
        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
        DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : {name removed}
Ethernet adapter Wired Network Connection:

        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : {name removed}
        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Integrated Controller
        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.19.157
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.1
        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.82
                                            10.82.12.129
        Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 10.82.16.101
        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
1:48:14 PM
        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
2:18:14 PM

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:

        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . :
        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Wireless Network Connection
        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : {removed}
        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.212
        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 122.146.72.181 (changed slightly)
                                            122.38.167.32  (changed slightly)
        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, November 06, 2006
10:47:29 AM
        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, November 07, 2006
10:47:29 AM

=====================================

Route Print
=======

Interface List
0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface
0x2 ........................... Integrated Controller - Packet Scheduler
Miniport
0x3 ........................... Wireless Network Connection - Packet
Scheduler Miniport
===========================================================================
===========================================================================
Active Routes:
Network Destination        Netmask          Gateway       Interface  Metric
          0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0       10.82.16.1    10.82.19.157       20
          0.0.0.0          0.0.0.0    192.168.1.199   192.168.1.212       25
       10.82.16.0    255.255.248.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
     10.82.19.157  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       20
   10.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
        127.0.0.0        255.0.0.0        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       1
      192.168.1.0    255.255.255.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
    192.168.1.212  255.255.255.255        127.0.0.1       127.0.0.1       25
    192.168.1.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
        224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       20
        224.0.0.0        240.0.0.0    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       25
  255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255     10.82.19.157    10.82.19.157       1
  255.255.255.255  255.255.255.255    192.168.1.212   192.168.1.212       1
Default Gateway:        10.82.16.1
===========================================================================
Persistent Routes:
  None



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"eAndy" wrote:

> I have 2 networks available to me. One is a wired network and the other is a
> wireless network.
>
> Each offers connectivity to a different set of services. The set of services
> a single network provides (here in this case) is mutually exclusive of the
> other.
>
> I cannot move services from one network to another (in case you were going
> to suggest that).
>
> The wired lan 10.x.x.x offers connectivity to network shares and printers.
> The wireless lan 192.x.x.x offers connectivity to the Internet.
>
> Each network has its own DNS settings which are different between the
> networks.
>
> I can connect to my shared folders and printers with no issue.
>
> Problem. When I try to use a web browser the pages do not render. (nor does
> MSN Live Messenger work).
>
> Theory: I believe this is b/c the route table's 0.0.0.0 pointing to 10.x has
> a metric that favors the internal network for all traffic b/c its cheaper.
>
> I have tried changing the metric for the 10.x.x.x wired network and this
> does not solve the problem. I thought if I made the 10.x more expensive
> traffic would first get routed to the internet but this does not work as
> expected.
>
> To date I have found that if I:
>
> 1. setup the wireless network's "alternate configuration" and hard code the
> ip address (while it is a dhcp address it has not changed in 2 months) and
> the DNS settings.
> 2. always connect to the wired network first with the wireless disabled.
> 3. perform a "DELETE ROUTE 0.0.0.0"
> 4. Connect to the wireless network
>
> (I tried deleting the 0.0.0.0 entry for the 10.x.x.x network with but could
> not figure out how to only delete it for the 10.x.x.x not both, so the above
> workaround acheives that.
>
> I can connect to both the shared folders, printers and internet resources.
>
> Secondary problem: this only last for a while. It appears that something is
> re-adding the 0.0.0.0 for the 10.x.x.x network and the the internet based
> addresses no longer work (web pages and IM). <grrrrrrr/>
>
> Anyone knowledgable in this area that could provide a long term workable
> solution would be highly valued and greatly appreciated.
>
> Further if you could explain why it works with any relevant reference
> material where I could read more (might be free web pages or $ books, I'll
> read anything) so I could understand the theory and operation behind it would
> be invaluable.
>
> Thanks in advance.