"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a laptop
>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>
>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I added a
>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet through
>>the
>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>
>>Need help please.
>
> Jim,
>
> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and keep the
> same
> subnet for the laptop.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a laptop
>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>
>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I added a
>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet through
>>>the
>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>
>>>Need help please.
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and keep the
>> same
>> subnet for the laptop.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html

>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little experience in
>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>
>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless router. Out
>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the correct
>setup??
>
>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no success.
>
>My currect situation is this:
>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well as my
>wireless laptop
>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2 and
>192.168.1.103)
>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>
>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and reboot
>routers I have problems.
>
>TIA
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access the
>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address and
>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router you will
>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use 'winipcfg' in
>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>
>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>
>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>letters/numbers/symbols.
>
>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary wireless
>configurations.
>
>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>
>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>
>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies within the
>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN IP range
>of the primary router. (examples below)
>
>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>
>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if any).
>
>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process of
>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>
>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>switch/patch panel etc.
>
>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should be able
>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi card
>setup properly.

"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a
>>>>laptop
>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>
>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I added a
>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet through
>>>>the
>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>>
>>>>Need help please.
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and keep the
>>> same
>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>
>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little experience
>>in
>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>
>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless router.
>>Out
>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the
>>correct
>>setup??
>>
>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>success.
>>
>>My currect situation is this:
>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well as my
>>wireless laptop
>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2 and
>>192.168.1.103)
>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>
>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and
>>reboot
>>routers I have problems.
>>
>>TIA
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access the
>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address and
>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router you
>>will
>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use 'winipcfg' in
>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>
>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>
>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>
>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary wireless
>>configurations.
>>
>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>
>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>
>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies within the
>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN IP
>>range
>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>
>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>
>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if any).
>>
>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process of
>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>
>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>
>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should be
>>able
>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi card
>>setup properly.
>
> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and "ipconfig
> /all",
> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>
> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>
> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't edit
> the
> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a
>>>>>laptop
>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>
>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I added a
>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet through
>>>>>the
>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and keep the
>>>> same
>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>
>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little experience
>>>in
>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>
>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless router.
>>>Out
>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the
>>>correct
>>>setup??
>>>
>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>>success.
>>>
>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well as my
>>>wireless laptop
>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2 and
>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>
>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and
>>>reboot
>>>routers I have problems.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access the
>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address and
>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router you
>>>will
>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use 'winipcfg' in
>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>
>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>
>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>
>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary wireless
>>>configurations.
>>>
>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>
>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>
>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies within the
>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN IP
>>>range
>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>
>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>
>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if any).
>>>
>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process of
>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>
>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>
>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should be
>>>able
>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi card
>>>setup properly.
>>
>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and "ipconfig
>> /all",
>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>
>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>
>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't edit
>> the
>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.

>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from the main
>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.

"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a
>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I added
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>through
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and keep
>>>>> the
>>>>> same
>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>
>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>experience
>>>>in
>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>
>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless router.
>>>>Out
>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the
>>>>correct
>>>>setup??
>>>>
>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>>>success.
>>>>
>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well as
>>>>my
>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2 and
>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>
>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and
>>>>reboot
>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>
>>>>TIA
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access the
>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address and
>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router you
>>>>will
>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use 'winipcfg'
>>>>in
>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>
>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>
>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>
>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary wireless
>>>>configurations.
>>>>
>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>
>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>
>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies within
>>>>the
>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN IP
>>>>range
>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>
>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>
>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if any).
>>>>
>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process of
>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>
>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>
>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should be
>>>>able
>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi
>>>>card
>>>>setup properly.
>>>
>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>> "ipconfig
>>> /all",
>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>
>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>
>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't edit
>>> the
>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>
>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from the
>>main
>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>
> Jim,
>
> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1; Dell2000 is
> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.  If
> Jim is
> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>
> You need to:
> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to a
> LAN
> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two routers,
> remove
> that cable at both ends.
> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a LAN
> port
> on the current router.
> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect to
> the
> Internet.
> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
> Internet.
> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable and
> test
> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting Jim a
> few
> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>
> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.

"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Chuck,
> Yes, Jim is the laptop and the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1. Athlon3000
> connects to the WiFi router and another cable connects back to the other
> router.
>
> After following your steps 1 through 8 listed below, I discovered that I
> could no longer connect to the internet on either Jim nor Athlon3000. Both
> systems failed while trying to renew their IP addresses. Reset the WiFi
> router back to 192.168.2.1 and both computers connect to the internet.
>
> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to a
> LAN
> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two routers,
> remove
> that cable at both ends.
> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a LAN
> port
> on the current router.
> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect to
> the
> Internet.
> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
> Internet.
> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable and
> test
> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting Jim a
> few
> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>
>
>
> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
> news:jt49l21fpk0ep3ad3kdeaaed0lliegi99f@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a
>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I
>>>>>>>added a
>>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and keep
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>>
>>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>>experience
>>>>>in
>>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless router.
>>>>>Out
>>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the
>>>>>correct
>>>>>setup??
>>>>>
>>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>>>>success.
>>>>>
>>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well as
>>>>>my
>>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2 and
>>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>>
>>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and
>>>>>reboot
>>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>TIA
>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access the
>>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address and
>>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router you
>>>>>will
>>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use 'winipcfg'
>>>>>in
>>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>>
>>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>>
>>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary
>>>>>wireless
>>>>>configurations.
>>>>>
>>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>>
>>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>>
>>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies within
>>>>>the
>>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN IP
>>>>>range
>>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>>
>>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>>
>>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if any).
>>>>>
>>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process of
>>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should be
>>>>>able
>>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi
>>>>>card
>>>>>setup properly.
>>>>
>>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>>> "ipconfig
>>>> /all",
>>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
>>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>>
>>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>>
>>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't edit
>>>> the
>>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>>
>>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from the
>>>main
>>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1; Dell2000
>> is
>> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.  If
>> Jim is
>> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>>
>> You need to:
>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to a
>> LAN
>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two routers,
>> remove
>> that cable at both ends.
>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a
>> LAN port
>> on the current router.
>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect
>> to the
>> Internet.
>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>> Internet.
>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable
>> and test
>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting Jim
>> a few
>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>
>> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
>> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
>> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>>   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.
>
>

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:28 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:%235P8WjSBHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Chuck,
>> Yes, Jim is the laptop and the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1. Athlon3000
>> connects to the WiFi router and another cable connects back to the other
>> router.
>>
>> After following your steps 1 through 8 listed below, I discovered that I
>> could no longer connect to the internet on either Jim nor Athlon3000. Both
>> systems failed while trying to renew their IP addresses. Reset the WiFi
>> router back to 192.168.2.1 and both computers connect to the internet.
>>
>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to a
>> LAN
>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two routers,
>> remove
>> that cable at both ends.
>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a LAN
>> port
>> on the current router.
>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect to
>> the
>> Internet.
>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>> Internet.
>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable and
>> test
>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting Jim a
>> few
>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>> news:jt49l21fpk0ep3ad3kdeaaed0lliegi99f@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a
>>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I
>>>>>>>>added a
>>>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and keep
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>>>
>>>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless router.
>>>>>>Out
>>>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the
>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>setup??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>>>>>success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well as
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2 and
>>>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and
>>>>>>reboot
>>>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>>>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access the
>>>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address and
>>>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router you
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use 'winipcfg'
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary
>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>configurations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies within
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN IP
>>>>>>range
>>>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if any).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process of
>>>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>>>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should be
>>>>>>able
>>>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi
>>>>>>card
>>>>>>setup properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>>>> "ipconfig
>>>>> /all",
>>>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
>>>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>>>
>>>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't edit
>>>>> the
>>>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>>>
>>>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from the
>>>>main
>>>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1; Dell2000
>>> is
>>> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.  If
>>> Jim is
>>> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>>>
>>> You need to:
>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to a
>>> LAN
>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two routers,
>>> remove
>>> that cable at both ends.
>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a
>>> LAN port
>>> on the current router.
>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect
>>> to the
>>> Internet.
>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>> Internet.
>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable
>>> and test
>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting Jim
>>> a few
>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>
>>> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.

>I'm about ready to throw in the towel attempting to add a Wireless Router to
>my wired network.
>
>I'm totally confused - why do I see an IP address of 192.168.1.250 (your
>suggestion) when I view the WiFi router from the laptop (Jim) and a
>different address (192.168.2.1) when viewed from the Athlon3000?

"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
news:1tkal29fnmpubjvgup40qj5gsl67qdkrnd@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:28 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:%235P8WjSBHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Chuck,
>>> Yes, Jim is the laptop and the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1. Athlon3000
>>> connects to the WiFi router and another cable connects back to the other
>>> router.
>>>
>>> After following your steps 1 through 8 listed below, I discovered that I
>>> could no longer connect to the internet on either Jim nor Athlon3000.
>>> Both
>>> systems failed while trying to renew their IP addresses. Reset the WiFi
>>> router back to 192.168.2.1 and both computers connect to the internet.
>>>
>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to
>>> a
>>> LAN
>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two routers,
>>> remove
>>> that cable at both ends.
>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a
>>> LAN
>>> port
>>> on the current router.
>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect
>>> to
>>> the
>>> Internet.
>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>> Internet.
>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable
>>> and
>>> test
>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting Jim
>>> a
>>> few
>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:jt49l21fpk0ep3ad3kdeaaed0lliegi99f@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a
>>>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I
>>>>>>>>>added a
>>>>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless
>>>>>>>router.
>>>>>>>Out
>>>>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the
>>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>>setup??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>>>>>>success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and
>>>>>>>reboot
>>>>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>>>>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use
>>>>>>>'winipcfg'
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary
>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>configurations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies
>>>>>>>within
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN
>>>>>>>IP
>>>>>>>range
>>>>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if
>>>>>>>any).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>>>>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi
>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>setup properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>>>>> "ipconfig
>>>>>> /all",
>>>>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and
>>>>>> follow
>>>>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't
>>>>>> edit
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>>>>
>>>>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from the
>>>>>main
>>>>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1; Dell2000
>>>> is
>>>> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.
>>>> If
>>>> Jim is
>>>> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>>>>
>>>> You need to:
>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to
>>>> a
>>>> LAN
>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>> routers,
>>>> remove
>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a
>>>> LAN port
>>>> on the current router.
>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect
>>>> to the
>>>> Internet.
>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>> Internet.
>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable
>>>> and test
>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>> Jim
>>>> a few
>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>>
>>>> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.
>
>>I'm about ready to throw in the towel attempting to add a Wireless Router
>>to
>>my wired network.
>>
>>I'm totally confused - why do I see an IP address of 192.168.1.250 (your
>>suggestion) when I view the WiFi router from the laptop (Jim) and a
>>different address (192.168.2.1) when viewed from the Athlon3000?
>
> I don't know Jim.  Let's try again.  Describe, as completely as possible,
> how
> everything connects right now.  Then, reboot each computer, run "ipconfig
> /all"
> and post the logs.  And don't make any changes after running "ipconfig
> /all".
>
> And try and post after my posts please.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:55:17 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>news:1tkal29fnmpubjvgup40qj5gsl67qdkrnd@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:28 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:%235P8WjSBHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Chuck,
>>>> Yes, Jim is the laptop and the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1. Athlon3000
>>>> connects to the WiFi router and another cable connects back to the other
>>>> router.
>>>>
>>>> After following your steps 1 through 8 listed below, I discovered that I
>>>> could no longer connect to the internet on either Jim nor Athlon3000.
>>>> Both
>>>> systems failed while trying to renew their IP addresses. Reset the WiFi
>>>> router back to 192.168.2.1 and both computers connect to the internet.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to
>>>> a
>>>> LAN
>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two routers,
>>>> remove
>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a
>>>> LAN
>>>> port
>>>> on the current router.
>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect
>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>> Internet.
>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>> Internet.
>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable
>>>> and
>>>> test
>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting Jim
>>>> a
>>>> few
>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jt49l21fpk0ep3ad3kdeaaed0lliegi99f@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased a
>>>>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I
>>>>>>>>>>added a
>>>>>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN computers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and
>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless
>>>>>>>>router.
>>>>>>>>Out
>>>>>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that the
>>>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>>>setup??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>>>>>>>success.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well
>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below) and
>>>>>>>>reboot
>>>>>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the wired
>>>>>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use
>>>>>>>>'winipcfg'
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary
>>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>>configurations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies
>>>>>>>>within
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN
>>>>>>>>IP
>>>>>>>>range
>>>>>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if
>>>>>>>>any).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the process
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or via
>>>>>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring wifi
>>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>setup properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>>>>>> "ipconfig
>>>>>>> /all",
>>>>>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and
>>>>>>> follow
>>>>>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't
>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from the
>>>>>>main
>>>>>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1; Dell2000
>>>>> is
>>>>> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.
>>>>> If
>>>>> Jim is
>>>>> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to:
>>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly to
>>>>> a
>>>>> LAN
>>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>>> routers,
>>>>> remove
>>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a
>>>>> LAN port
>>>>> on the current router.
>>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can connect
>>>>> to the
>>>>> Internet.
>>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>>> Internet.
>>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable
>>>>> and test
>>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> a few
>>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.
>>
>>>I'm about ready to throw in the towel attempting to add a Wireless Router
>>>to
>>>my wired network.
>>>
>>>I'm totally confused - why do I see an IP address of 192.168.1.250 (your
>>>suggestion) when I view the WiFi router from the laptop (Jim) and a
>>>different address (192.168.2.1) when viewed from the Athlon3000?
>>
>> I don't know Jim.  Let's try again.  Describe, as completely as possible,
>> how
>> everything connects right now.  Then, reboot each computer, run "ipconfig
>> /all"
>> and post the logs.  And don't make any changes after running "ipconfig
>> /all".
>>
>> And try and post after my posts please.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting

>Chuck,
>I few questions before I proceed anymore.
>
>I connect the LAN cable from my main Athlon3000 computer to LAN #1 port on
>the WiFi router. Should I then use the WAN port or LAN #2 port on this
>router to connect back to a LAN port my original router (I've tried both
>ports but I'm not certain which I should use.)
>
>As instructed, I change the IP address on the WiFi router from its default
>address of 192.168.2.1 to 192.168.1.250 and turn off DHCP. Once I do that, I
>can no longer access this router @ 192.168.1.250. I don't understand this
>and the only way I can back to the router is by resetting it, which is
>sometimes difficult.
>
>I then reboot the Athlon3000 and sometimes the router. ipconfig still shows
>the PC has an IP address of 192.168.2.1 so obviously I can't connect to the
>internet. At this point must I change the tcp/ip settings from automatic to
>manual and if so, what settings do I use?
>
>Again, thanks for your help

"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
news:29qbl2haop1vh9c16qu0v2mdhh45qkh3a7@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:55:17 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>news:1tkal29fnmpubjvgup40qj5gsl67qdkrnd@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:28 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:%235P8WjSBHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>> Yes, Jim is the laptop and the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1. Athlon3000
>>>>> connects to the WiFi router and another cable connects back to the
>>>>> other
>>>>> router.
>>>>>
>>>>> After following your steps 1 through 8 listed below, I discovered that
>>>>> I
>>>>> could no longer connect to the internet on either Jim nor Athlon3000.
>>>>> Both
>>>>> systems failed while trying to renew their IP addresses. Reset the
>>>>> WiFi
>>>>> router back to 192.168.2.1 and both computers connect to the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly
>>>>> to
>>>>> a
>>>>> LAN
>>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>>> routers,
>>>>> remove
>>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to a
>>>>> LAN
>>>>> port
>>>>> on the current router.
>>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can
>>>>> connect
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> Internet.
>>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>>> Internet.
>>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.  Enable
>>>>> and
>>>>> test
>>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jt49l21fpk0ep3ad3kdeaaed0lliegi99f@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just purchased
>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I
>>>>>>>>>>>added a
>>>>>>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN
>>>>>>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and
>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless
>>>>>>>>>router.
>>>>>>>>>Out
>>>>>>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>>>>setup??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with no
>>>>>>>>>success.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>>>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as well
>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>>>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>>>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>>>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below)
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>reboot
>>>>>>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the
>>>>>>>>>wired
>>>>>>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router. Access
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router
>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use
>>>>>>>>>'winipcfg'
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>>>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary
>>>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>>>configurations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies
>>>>>>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic LAN
>>>>>>>>>IP
>>>>>>>>>range
>>>>>>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if
>>>>>>>>>any).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the
>>>>>>>>>process
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or
>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one should
>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring
>>>>>>>>>wifi
>>>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>>setup properly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>>>>>>> "ipconfig
>>>>>>>> /all",
>>>>>>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and
>>>>>>>> follow
>>>>>>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't
>>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>main
>>>>>>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1;
>>>>>> Dell2000
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> Jim is
>>>>>> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to:
>>>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> LAN
>>>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>>>> routers,
>>>>>> remove
>>>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> LAN port
>>>>>> on the current router.
>>>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can
>>>>>> connect
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>> Enable
>>>>>> and test
>>>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> a few
>>>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.
>>>
>>>>I'm about ready to throw in the towel attempting to add a Wireless
>>>>Router
>>>>to
>>>>my wired network.
>>>>
>>>>I'm totally confused - why do I see an IP address of 192.168.1.250 (your
>>>>suggestion) when I view the WiFi router from the laptop (Jim) and a
>>>>different address (192.168.2.1) when viewed from the Athlon3000?
>>>
>>> I don't know Jim.  Let's try again.  Describe, as completely as
>>> possible,
>>> how
>>> everything connects right now.  Then, reboot each computer, run
>>> "ipconfig
>>> /all"
>>> and post the logs.  And don't make any changes after running "ipconfig
>>> /all".
>>>
>>> And try and post after my posts please.
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting>
>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting
>
>>Chuck,
>>I few questions before I proceed anymore.
>>
>>I connect the LAN cable from my main Athlon3000 computer to LAN #1 port on
>>the WiFi router. Should I then use the WAN port or LAN #2 port on this
>>router to connect back to a LAN port my original router (I've tried both
>>ports but I'm not certain which I should use.)
>>
>>As instructed, I change the IP address on the WiFi router from its default
>>address of 192.168.2.1 to 192.168.1.250 and turn off DHCP. Once I do that,
>>I
>>can no longer access this router @ 192.168.1.250. I don't understand this
>>and the only way I can back to the router is by resetting it, which is
>>sometimes difficult.
>>
>>I then reboot the Athlon3000 and sometimes the router. ipconfig still
>>shows
>>the PC has an IP address of 192.168.2.1 so obviously I can't connect to
>>the
>>internet. At this point must I change the tcp/ip settings from automatic
>>to
>>manual and if so, what settings do I use?
>>
>>Again, thanks for your help
>
> Jim,
>
> OK, asking questions is good.
>
> To use a WiFi router as a WiFi AP (ie, a "bridge"), you connect everything
> thru
> the LAN.  The WAN sends the network traffic thru the router; by connecting
> thru
> the LAN, you just use it as a switch with a radio, aka an Access Point.
>
> If the LAN is setup as 192.168.1.250, and connected to the main (only)
> router
> LAN, and if each computer is attached to a LAN port on either (or by
> WiFi), and
> DHCP is disabled on the WiFi AP, each computer gets an address on
> 192.168.1.x.
> Everything on 192.168.1.x, if cabled properly, will be able to connect.
>
> 1) Enable the DHCP server on the router.
> 2) Make sure each computer has DHCP client enabled (automatic settings).
> 3) Disable the DHCP server on the WiFi AP.
> 4) Change the WiFi AP to an address on the router LAN, such as
> 192.168.1.250.
> 5) Connect the router and AP - LAN to LAN.
> 6) Restart each computer.
> 7) Each computer will get settings from the router, where your Internet
> comes
> from.
>
> You have to do steps 3 and 4 using a computer wired directly to the AP,
> and in
> that sequence.  When you do step 4, you lose connectivity with the AP; you
> regain connectivity after step 6.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.

"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eIdkujdBHHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Success, almost
>
> All computers now have internet access and all hardwired computers can
> communicate with each other. The only remaining problem is that I'm unable
> to communicate with the wireless (Jim). Here is the ipconfig of the main
> and laptop computers. Thanks again
>
> Windows IP Configuration
>        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : athlon3000
>        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
>        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>        DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hsd1.pa.comcast.net.
>
> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 4:
>        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : hsd1.pa.comcast.net.
>        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet
> Adapter(LNE100TX v4)
>        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-41-26-24-4C
>        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.105
>        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.87.75.194
>                                            68.87.64.146
>        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, November 11, 2006
> 3:39:57 PM
>        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, November 12, 2006
> 3:39:57 PM
>
>
> Windows IP Configuration
>        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Jim
>        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
>        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
>        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>        DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Belkin
>
> Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 2:
>        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : Belkin
>        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN
>        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-14-A5-C4-72-F0
>        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.3
>        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>                                            68.87.75.194
>                                            68.87.64.146
>        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, November 09, 2006
> 9:57:43 PM
>        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, January 18, 2038
> 10:14:07 PM
>
>
>
>
> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
> news:29qbl2haop1vh9c16qu0v2mdhh45qkh3a7@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:55:17 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1tkal29fnmpubjvgup40qj5gsl67qdkrnd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:28 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:%235P8WjSBHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>> Yes, Jim is the laptop and the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1. Athlon3000
>>>>>> connects to the WiFi router and another cable connects back to the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After following your steps 1 through 8 listed below, I discovered
>>>>>> that I
>>>>>> could no longer connect to the internet on either Jim nor Athlon3000.
>>>>>> Both
>>>>>> systems failed while trying to renew their IP addresses. Reset the
>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>> router back to 192.168.2.1 and both computers connect to the
>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> LAN
>>>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>>>> routers,
>>>>>> remove
>>>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> LAN
>>>>>> port
>>>>>> on the current router.
>>>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can
>>>>>> connect
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>> Enable
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> test
>>>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:jt49l21fpk0ep3ad3kdeaaed0lliegi99f@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>purchased a
>>>>>>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>added a
>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN
>>>>>>>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and
>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless
>>>>>>>>>>router.
>>>>>>>>>>Out
>>>>>>>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>>>>>setup??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with
>>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>>success.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>>>>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as
>>>>>>>>>>well
>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>>>>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>>>>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>>>>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below)
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>reboot
>>>>>>>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the
>>>>>>>>>>wired
>>>>>>>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router.
>>>>>>>>>>Access
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router
>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use
>>>>>>>>>>'winipcfg'
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>>>>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary
>>>>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>>>>configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies
>>>>>>>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic
>>>>>>>>>>LAN
>>>>>>>>>>IP
>>>>>>>>>>range
>>>>>>>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if
>>>>>>>>>>any).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the
>>>>>>>>>>process
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or
>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one
>>>>>>>>>>should
>>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring
>>>>>>>>>>wifi
>>>>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>>>setup properly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>>>>>>>> "ipconfig
>>>>>>>>> /all",
>>>>>>>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and
>>>>>>>>> follow
>>>>>>>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't
>>>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>main
>>>>>>>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1;
>>>>>>> Dell2000
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> Jim is
>>>>>>> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to:
>>>>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> LAN
>>>>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>>>>> routers,
>>>>>>> remove
>>>>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> LAN port
>>>>>>> on the current router.
>>>>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can
>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>>> Enable
>>>>>>> and test
>>>>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using
>>>>>>> Ethernet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.
>>>>
>>>>>I'm about ready to throw in the towel attempting to add a Wireless
>>>>>Router
>>>>>to
>>>>>my wired network.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm totally confused - why do I see an IP address of 192.168.1.250
>>>>>(your
>>>>>suggestion) when I view the WiFi router from the laptop (Jim) and a
>>>>>different address (192.168.2.1) when viewed from the Athlon3000?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know Jim.  Let's try again.  Describe, as completely as
>>>> possible,
>>>> how
>>>> everything connects right now.  Then, reboot each computer, run
>>>> "ipconfig
>>>> /all"
>>>> and post the logs.  And don't make any changes after running "ipconfig
>>>> /all".
>>>>
>>>> And try and post after my posts please.
>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting>
>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting
>>
>>>Chuck,
>>>I few questions before I proceed anymore.
>>>
>>>I connect the LAN cable from my main Athlon3000 computer to LAN #1 port
>>>on
>>>the WiFi router. Should I then use the WAN port or LAN #2 port on this
>>>router to connect back to a LAN port my original router (I've tried both
>>>ports but I'm not certain which I should use.)
>>>
>>>As instructed, I change the IP address on the WiFi router from its
>>>default
>>>address of 192.168.2.1 to 192.168.1.250 and turn off DHCP. Once I do
>>>that, I
>>>can no longer access this router @ 192.168.1.250. I don't understand this
>>>and the only way I can back to the router is by resetting it, which is
>>>sometimes difficult.
>>>
>>>I then reboot the Athlon3000 and sometimes the router. ipconfig still
>>>shows
>>>the PC has an IP address of 192.168.2.1 so obviously I can't connect to
>>>the
>>>internet. At this point must I change the tcp/ip settings from automatic
>>>to
>>>manual and if so, what settings do I use?
>>>
>>>Again, thanks for your help
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> OK, asking questions is good.
>>
>> To use a WiFi router as a WiFi AP (ie, a "bridge"), you connect
>> everything thru
>> the LAN.  The WAN sends the network traffic thru the router; by
>> connecting thru
>> the LAN, you just use it as a switch with a radio, aka an Access Point.
>>
>> If the LAN is setup as 192.168.1.250, and connected to the main (only)
>> router
>> LAN, and if each computer is attached to a LAN port on either (or by
>> WiFi), and
>> DHCP is disabled on the WiFi AP, each computer gets an address on
>> 192.168.1.x.
>> Everything on 192.168.1.x, if cabled properly, will be able to connect.
>>
>> 1) Enable the DHCP server on the router.
>> 2) Make sure each computer has DHCP client enabled (automatic settings).
>> 3) Disable the DHCP server on the WiFi AP.
>> 4) Change the WiFi AP to an address on the router LAN, such as
>> 192.168.1.250.
>> 5) Connect the router and AP - LAN to LAN.
>> 6) Restart each computer.
>> 7) Each computer will get settings from the router, where your Internet
>> comes
>> from.
>>
>> You have to do steps 3 and 4 using a computer wired directly to the AP,
>> and in
>> that sequence.  When you do step 4, you lose connectivity with the AP;
>> you
>> regain connectivity after step 6.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
>> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
>> My        email         is          AT         DOT
>>   actual       address    pchuck       mvps        org.
>
>

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:46:34 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:

>> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>> news:29qbl2haop1vh9c16qu0v2mdhh45qkh3a7@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:55:17 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1tkal29fnmpubjvgup40qj5gsl67qdkrnd@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:28 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:%235P8WjSBHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>>> Yes, Jim is the laptop and the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1. Athlon3000
>>>>>>> connects to the WiFi router and another cable connects back to the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> router.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After following your steps 1 through 8 listed below, I discovered
>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>> could no longer connect to the internet on either Jim nor Athlon3000.
>>>>>>> Both
>>>>>>> systems failed while trying to renew their IP addresses. Reset the
>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>> router back to 192.168.2.1 and both computers connect to the
>>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> LAN
>>>>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>>>>> routers,
>>>>>>> remove
>>>>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> LAN
>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>> on the current router.
>>>>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can
>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>>> Enable
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> test
>>>>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using Ethernet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:jt49l21fpk0ep3ad3kdeaaed0lliegi99f@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:45:01 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:0227l2dgmgsins1bdmfsl3t2cc4rgidq1e@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:02:37 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Chuck" <n***@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:0vf6l2lvpgb5v9pq78rcuj3k09qi7iefjt@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:00:22 -0500, "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I running several XP Pro computers on a wired LAN. Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>purchased a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>which I initially added to LAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I decided I didn't want a hardwired connection to my laptop so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>added a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless router to my system. My laptop can access the internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless router but it can't access any of my other LAN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need help please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to use the WiFi router as a WiFi AP, not a router, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> subnet for the laptop.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-on-lan-with-two-routers.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Many thanks for the info but I need more help. I have a little
>>>>>>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>networking but I'm far from an expert.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This is my setup. I go from my main computer to my new wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>router.
>>>>>>>>>>>Out
>>>>>>>>>>>of the wireless router I go back to my original router - is that
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>correct
>>>>>>>>>>>setup??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I've tried the procedure below (as best as I understand it) with
>>>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>>>success.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>My currect situation is this:
>>>>>>>>>>>Can access the internet on both the 2 wired desktop systems as
>>>>>>>>>>>well
>>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>>wireless laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>Can no longer access any of my networked computers
>>>>>>>>>>>IP addresses on both desktop systems are out of range (192.168.2.2
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>192.168.1.103)
>>>>>>>>>>>but IP addresses on main desktop and laptop are in range.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Note: Once I turn off DHCP on the wireless router (step 3 below)
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>reboot
>>>>>>>>>>>routers I have problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>1. Using a PC wired into the current router, unplug it from the
>>>>>>>>>>>wired
>>>>>>>>>>>connection and plug into a LAN port on the secondary router.
>>>>>>>>>>>Access
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>secondary router using your browser via its default LAN IP address
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>default password. Since the PC was attached to the previous router
>>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>>>>>have tell the PC to obtain a LAN IP from the new device. Use
>>>>>>>>>>>'winipcfg'
>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>win9x or 'ipconfig release/renew' with W2K/XP on the PC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>2. On the secondary router (hereafter called the AP)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>a. change the default password to a minimum combination of 8
>>>>>>>>>>>letters/numbers/symbols.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>b. Change the ESSID to a unique name and make all the necessary
>>>>>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>3. Then, in the AP, go to the LAN setup page:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>a. Turn DHCP serving OFF.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>b. Change the LAN IP of the AP from its default so that it lies
>>>>>>>>>>>within
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>subnet of the primary router but preferably outside the dynamic
>>>>>>>>>>>LAN
>>>>>>>>>>>IP
>>>>>>>>>>>range
>>>>>>>>>>>of the primary router. (examples below)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>c. Disable or turn RIP off, if there is that option.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>d. Disable or turn off Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support (if
>>>>>>>>>>>any).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>4. Plug the PC back into the wired connection and repeat the
>>>>>>>>>>>process
>>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>getting new LAN IP. A reboot of the PC may be needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>5. Plug the AP into the router, LAN port TO LAN port directly or
>>>>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>>>>switch/patch panel etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>6. It may be necessary to reboot one or both routers but one
>>>>>>>>>>>should
>>>>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>>able
>>>>>>>>>>>to assign LANIPs wirelessly and connect at this point, ensuring
>>>>>>>>>>>wifi
>>>>>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>>>>setup properly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, let's diagnose your problem.  Look at "browstat status" and
>>>>>>>>>> "ipconfig
>>>>>>>>>> /all",
>>>>>>>>>> from each computer.  Read this article, and linked articles, and
>>>>>>>>>> follow
>>>>>>>>>> instructions precisely (download browstat!):
>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>>>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The key here is router LAN to AP LAN.  And no DHCP on the AP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Be generous.  Provide diagnostic data for each computer, and don't
>>>>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> content.  The diagnosis may be in the details.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Here is ipconfig info from each computer. The first listing is from
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>main
>>>>>>>>>computer, the last listing is from my laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Athlon3000 and Jim are getting DHCP settings from 192.168.2.1;
>>>>>>>> Dell2000
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> getting settings from 192.168.1.1.  One of those is the WiFi router.
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> Jim is
>>>>>>>> the laptop, the WiFi router is 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to:
>>>>>>>> 1) Connect Athlon3000, by Ethernet (don't do this by WiFi), directly
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> LAN
>>>>>>>> port on the WiFi router.  If there is any cable between the two
>>>>>>>> routers,
>>>>>>>> remove
>>>>>>>> that cable at both ends.
>>>>>>>> 2) From the browser on Athlon3000, connect to 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>>>> 3) Logon to the WiFi router.
>>>>>>>> 4) Change its LAN address (manually) to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>>>> 5) Disable its DHCP server.
>>>>>>>> 6) Connect an Ethernet cable, from a LAN port on the WiFi router, to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> LAN port
>>>>>>>> on the current router.
>>>>>>>> 7) Reboot Jim.  Test the changes first.  Make sure that Jim can
>>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>>>> 8) Reboot Athlon3000.  Make sure that Athlon3000 can connect to the
>>>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>>>> 9) From Athlon3000, logon, from the browser, to 192.168.1.250.
>>>>>>>> Enable
>>>>>>>> and test
>>>>>>>> security settings (recommend WPA) on Jim.  Note you'll be restarting
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>> times, which is why you must do this from Athlon3000, using
>>>>>>>> Ethernet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read this thru and ask questions before starting please.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm about ready to throw in the towel attempting to add a Wireless
>>>>>>Router
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>my wired network.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm totally confused - why do I see an IP address of 192.168.1.250
>>>>>>(your
>>>>>>suggestion) when I view the WiFi router from the laptop (Jim) and a
>>>>>>different address (192.168.2.1) when viewed from the Athlon3000?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know Jim.  Let's try again.  Describe, as completely as
>>>>> possible,
>>>>> how
>>>>> everything connects right now.  Then, reboot each computer, run
>>>>> "ipconfig
>>>>> /all"
>>>>> and post the logs.  And don't make any changes after running "ipconfig
>>>>> /all".
>>>>>
>>>>> And try and post after my posts please.
>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting>
>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting
>>>
>>>>Chuck,
>>>>I few questions before I proceed anymore.
>>>>
>>>>I connect the LAN cable from my main Athlon3000 computer to LAN #1 port
>>>>on
>>>>the WiFi router. Should I then use the WAN port or LAN #2 port on this
>>>>router to connect back to a LAN port my original router (I've tried both
>>>>ports but I'm not certain which I should use.)
>>>>
>>>>As instructed, I change the IP address on the WiFi router from its
>>>>default
>>>>address of 192.168.2.1 to 192.168.1.250 and turn off DHCP. Once I do
>>>>that, I
>>>>can no longer access this router @ 192.168.1.250. I don't understand this
>>>>and the only way I can back to the router is by resetting it, which is
>>>>sometimes difficult.
>>>>
>>>>I then reboot the Athlon3000 and sometimes the router. ipconfig still
>>>>shows
>>>>the PC has an IP address of 192.168.2.1 so obviously I can't connect to
>>>>the
>>>>internet. At this point must I change the tcp/ip settings from automatic
>>>>to
>>>>manual and if so, what settings do I use?
>>>>
>>>>Again, thanks for your help
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> OK, asking questions is good.
>>>
>>> To use a WiFi router as a WiFi AP (ie, a "bridge"), you connect
>>> everything thru
>>> the LAN.  The WAN sends the network traffic thru the router; by
>>> connecting thru
>>> the LAN, you just use it as a switch with a radio, aka an Access Point.
>>>
>>> If the LAN is setup as 192.168.1.250, and connected to the main (only)
>>> router
>>> LAN, and if each computer is attached to a LAN port on either (or by
>>> WiFi), and
>>> DHCP is disabled on the WiFi AP, each computer gets an address on
>>> 192.168.1.x.
>>> Everything on 192.168.1.x, if cabled properly, will be able to connect.
>>>
>>> 1) Enable the DHCP server on the router.
>>> 2) Make sure each computer has DHCP client enabled (automatic settings).
>>> 3) Disable the DHCP server on the WiFi AP.
>>> 4) Change the WiFi AP to an address on the router LAN, such as
>>> 192.168.1.250.
>>> 5) Connect the router and AP - LAN to LAN.
>>> 6) Restart each computer.
>>> 7) Each computer will get settings from the router, where your Internet
>>> comes
>>> from.
>>>
>>> You have to do steps 3 and 4 using a computer wired directly to the AP,
>>> and in
>>> that sequence.  When you do step 4, you lose connectivity with the AP;
>>> you
>>> regain connectivity after step 6.

>"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:eIdkujdBHHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Success, almost
>>
>> All computers now have internet access and all hardwired computers can
>> communicate with each other. The only remaining problem is that I'm unable
>> to communicate with the wireless (Jim). Here is the ipconfig of the main
>> and laptop computers. Thanks again
>>
>> Windows IP Configuration
>>        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : athlon3000
>>        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
>>        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>>        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>>        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>>        DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : hsd1.pa.comcast.net.
>>
>> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 4:
>>        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : hsd1.pa.comcast.net.
>>        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet
>> Adapter(LNE100TX v4)
>>        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-41-26-24-4C
>>        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>>        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>>        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.105
>>        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>>        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>>        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>>        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.87.75.194
>>                                            68.87.64.146
>>        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, November 11, 2006
>> 3:39:57 PM
>>        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, November 12, 2006
>> 3:39:57 PM
>>
>>
>> Windows IP Configuration
>>        Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Jim
>>        Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . :
>>        Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
>>        IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>>        WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>>        DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Belkin
>>
>> Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 2:
>>        Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : Belkin
>>        Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN
>>        Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-14-A5-C4-72-F0
>>        Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>>        Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>>        IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.3
>>        Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>>        Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>>        DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>>        DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1
>>                                            68.87.75.194
>>                                            68.87.64.146
>>        Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, November 09, 2006
>> 9:57:43 PM
>>        Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, January 18, 2038
>> 10:14:07 PM

>SUCCESS
>It was a problem with Norton Internet Security setting on the laptop. I
>disabled it and everything works just fine. Many thanks for sticking with
>me, that was a long hard road.