> Greetings, all. Here's my problem.
> As my headline indicates, I have the NCU ish. Here's the twist.
> I have ATT (formerly SBC) DSL service on two PCs, the main one in my
> basement office, and secondarily on my son's PC upstairs. We recently had a
> visit from ATT to fix a (major) DSL connectivity problem. I was not present,
> but my Mom-in-law said the tech told her we would need to reconnect the
> upstairs PC. OK, no big deal, I thought. I had installed it the first time
> out. Well, here we go. No matter what I do, the PC will not recognize the
> connection. I should mention that my main PC uses a 2wire 1000HW DSL modem,
> and the second one connects via HPNA with a 2wire PC Port USB connection. No
> troubles until now. Installation instructions are followed to the letter. The
> PC Port is properly connected as indicated by its power light, as well as
> being connected to its phone line, which is in turn connected to the DSL
> filter which is plugged into the wall (whew!). This setup is as it always has
> been since first install. My firewall (Kerio) is set up to allow the
> connectivity. I THINK it actually connected ONCE for about two seconds, as
> indicated by the systray icon for my Desktop Weather :-). But that's it.
> The only change since we first hooked up to DSL is that we have upgraded to
> the higher speed, but there was no connection problem in the 4-5 months since
> then. This should not necessitate a different kind of DSL filter, should it?
> HELP!!

"Lem" wrote:

> Chuck wrote:
> > Greetings, all. Here's my problem.
> > As my headline indicates, I have the NCU ish. Here's the twist.
> > I have ATT (formerly SBC) DSL service on two PCs, the main one in my
> > basement office, and secondarily on my son's PC upstairs. We recently had a
> > visit from ATT to fix a (major) DSL connectivity problem. I was not present,
> > but my Mom-in-law said the tech told her we would need to reconnect the
> > upstairs PC. OK, no big deal, I thought. I had installed it the first time
> > out. Well, here we go. No matter what I do, the PC will not recognize the
> > connection. I should mention that my main PC uses a 2wire 1000HW DSL modem,
> > and the second one connects via HPNA with a 2wire PC Port USB connection. No
> > troubles until now. Installation instructions are followed to the letter. The
> > PC Port is properly connected as indicated by its power light, as well as
> > being connected to its phone line, which is in turn connected to the DSL
> > filter which is plugged into the wall (whew!). This setup is as it always has
> > been since first install. My firewall (Kerio) is set up to allow the
> > connectivity. I THINK it actually connected ONCE for about two seconds, as
> > indicated by the systray icon for my Desktop Weather :-). But that's it.
> > The only change since we first hooked up to DSL is that we have upgraded to
> > the higher speed, but there was no connection problem in the 4-5 months since
> > then. This should not necessitate a different kind of DSL filter, should it?
> > HELP!!
> Your main mistake was to not be present when the ATT tech was there.
>
> The following is based on educated guesses only, so take it with that in
> mind.  I may be totally off base.
>
> I'm not very familiar with HPNA, but it seems to me that in order for it
> to coexist with both DSL and regular telephone signals, it must operate
> in a frequency band that is separate from both.  Thus, I would expect
> that the filters that you get from 2wire are 3-way filters rather than
> the usual hi-pass or lo-pass (I can never remember which) that are used
> to separate phone and DSL signals.
>
> As I understand your setup, the network connection from your son's pc
> goes into your home telephone wiring via a 2wire USB-to-phone adapter
> and then through a (presumably, 2wire-supplied) filter.  You don't say,
> however, how your main computer connects to the phone wires.  If your
> 2wire gateway shares a phone jack with a telephone device, it also
> requires a filter.  I suspect that the ATT tech replaced your original
> 2wire filter that went between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack with
> a standard DSL filter.  This may block the HPNA signals to/from the
> other pc.
>
> As a temporary test only, try removing any filter that is connected
> between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack.  See if you now have
> connectivity with the second pc.
>
> If this doesn't help, you will have to try to figure out what the ATT
> tech did to resolve your earlier problem and determine how that impacted
> your HPNA connection.  Perhaps 2wire tech support can help.
>
> --
> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>

> Hm. I'll try it, but I'll be surprised. If he changed it, it lokoks EXACTLY
> the same as the one I had.
>
> "Lem" wrote:
>
>> Chuck wrote:
>>> Greetings, all. Here's my problem.
>>> As my headline indicates, I have the NCU ish. Here's the twist.
>>> I have ATT (formerly SBC) DSL service on two PCs, the main one in my
>>> basement office, and secondarily on my son's PC upstairs. We recently had a
>>> visit from ATT to fix a (major) DSL connectivity problem. I was not present,
>>> but my Mom-in-law said the tech told her we would need to reconnect the
>>> upstairs PC. OK, no big deal, I thought. I had installed it the first time
>>> out. Well, here we go. No matter what I do, the PC will not recognize the
>>> connection. I should mention that my main PC uses a 2wire 1000HW DSL modem,
>>> and the second one connects via HPNA with a 2wire PC Port USB connection. No
>>> troubles until now. Installation instructions are followed to the letter. The
>>> PC Port is properly connected as indicated by its power light, as well as
>>> being connected to its phone line, which is in turn connected to the DSL
>>> filter which is plugged into the wall (whew!). This setup is as it always has
>>> been since first install. My firewall (Kerio) is set up to allow the
>>> connectivity. I THINK it actually connected ONCE for about two seconds, as
>>> indicated by the systray icon for my Desktop Weather :-). But that's it.
>>> The only change since we first hooked up to DSL is that we have upgraded to
>>> the higher speed, but there was no connection problem in the 4-5 months since
>>> then. This should not necessitate a different kind of DSL filter, should it?
>>> HELP!!
>> Your main mistake was to not be present when the ATT tech was there.
>>
>> The following is based on educated guesses only, so take it with that in
>> mind.  I may be totally off base.
>>
>> I'm not very familiar with HPNA, but it seems to me that in order for it
>> to coexist with both DSL and regular telephone signals, it must operate
>> in a frequency band that is separate from both.  Thus, I would expect
>> that the filters that you get from 2wire are 3-way filters rather than
>> the usual hi-pass or lo-pass (I can never remember which) that are used
>> to separate phone and DSL signals.
>>
>> As I understand your setup, the network connection from your son's pc
>> goes into your home telephone wiring via a 2wire USB-to-phone adapter
>> and then through a (presumably, 2wire-supplied) filter.  You don't say,
>> however, how your main computer connects to the phone wires.  If your
>> 2wire gateway shares a phone jack with a telephone device, it also
>> requires a filter.  I suspect that the ATT tech replaced your original
>> 2wire filter that went between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack with
>> a standard DSL filter.  This may block the HPNA signals to/from the
>> other pc.
>>
>> As a temporary test only, try removing any filter that is connected
>> between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack.  See if you now have
>> connectivity with the second pc.
>>
>> If this doesn't help, you will have to try to figure out what the ATT
>> tech did to resolve your earlier problem and determine how that impacted
>> your HPNA connection.  Perhaps 2wire tech support can help.
>>
>> --
>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>
>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>

> Chuck wrote:
>> Hm. I'll try it, but I'll be surprised. If he changed it, it lokoks
>> EXACTLY the same as the one I had.
>>
>> "Lem" wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck wrote:
>>>> Greetings, all. Here's my problem.
>>>> As my headline indicates, I have the NCU ish. Here's the twist.
>>>> I have ATT (formerly SBC) DSL service on two PCs, the main one in my
>>>> basement office, and secondarily on my son's PC upstairs. We
>>>> recently had a visit from ATT to fix a (major) DSL connectivity
>>>> problem. I was not present, but my Mom-in-law said the tech told her
>>>> we would need to reconnect the upstairs PC. OK, no big deal, I
>>>> thought. I had installed it the first time out. Well, here we go. No
>>>> matter what I do, the PC will not recognize the connection. I should
>>>> mention that my main PC uses a 2wire 1000HW DSL modem, and the
>>>> second one connects via HPNA with a 2wire PC Port USB connection. No
>>>> troubles until now. Installation instructions are followed to the
>>>> letter. The PC Port is properly connected as indicated by its power
>>>> light, as well as being connected to its phone line, which is in
>>>> turn connected to the DSL filter which is plugged into the wall
>>>> (whew!). This setup is as it always has been since first install. My
>>>> firewall (Kerio) is set up to allow the connectivity. I THINK it
>>>> actually connected ONCE for about two seconds, as indicated by the
>>>> systray icon for my Desktop Weather :-). But that's it.
>>>> The only change since we first hooked up to DSL is that we have
>>>> upgraded to the higher speed, but there was no connection problem in
>>>> the 4-5 months since then. This should not necessitate a different
>>>> kind of DSL filter, should it?
>>>> HELP!!
>>> Your main mistake was to not be present when the ATT tech was there.
>>>
>>> The following is based on educated guesses only, so take it with that
>>> in mind.  I may be totally off base.
>>>
>>> I'm not very familiar with HPNA, but it seems to me that in order for
>>> it to coexist with both DSL and regular telephone signals, it must
>>> operate in a frequency band that is separate from both.  Thus, I
>>> would expect that the filters that you get from 2wire are 3-way
>>> filters rather than the usual hi-pass or lo-pass (I can never
>>> remember which) that are used to separate phone and DSL signals.
>>>
>>> As I understand your setup, the network connection from your son's pc
>>> goes into your home telephone wiring via a 2wire USB-to-phone adapter
>>> and then through a (presumably, 2wire-supplied) filter.  You don't
>>> say, however, how your main computer connects to the phone wires.  If
>>> your 2wire gateway shares a phone jack with a telephone device, it
>>> also requires a filter.  I suspect that the ATT tech replaced your
>>> original 2wire filter that went between your 2wire gateway and the
>>> wall jack with a standard DSL filter.  This may block the HPNA
>>> signals to/from the other pc.
>>>
>>> As a temporary test only, try removing any filter that is connected
>>> between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack.  See if you now have
>>> connectivity with the second pc.
>>>
>>> If this doesn't help, you will have to try to figure out what the ATT
>>> tech did to resolve your earlier problem and determine how that
>>> impacted your HPNA connection.  Perhaps 2wire tech support can help.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>>
>>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>>
> Good luck.  If the ATT tech installed a splitter next to the NID (see
> http://www.homephonewiring.com/dsl.html) then -- assuming that there is
> a separate HPNA jack on the 2wire gateway -- you will have to connect
> that to a wall jack OTHER than the one that has the DSL signal.  See the
> second paragraph below.
>
>  From http://www.homepna.org/support/faqs.asp#FAQ9
>
> How do I connect my HomePNA device if I have DSL splitters or filters?
>
> In some DSL installations, filters, micro-filters or micro-splitters are
> provide for telephone devices. These filters, micro-filters, or
> micro-splitters should NOT be connected between the wall jack and
> HomePNA devices. Telephones should be plugged into the phone jack on the
> HomePNA devices. Some filters if plugged between the HomePNA device
> phone jack and the telephone may cause the HomePNA device to stop working.
>
> In other DSL installations, a regular DSL splitter is installed outside
> of the home. That DSL splitter isolates the home telephone wiring from a
> seperate wire run to the DSL modem. In this situation, the regular
> telephone jacks should all be usable for the HomePNA network. The
> (seperate wire run) jack used by the DSL modem should not be used for a
> HomePNA device.
>
> For more information, please see our Filters page
>
>

"Lem" wrote:

> Chuck wrote:
> > Hm. I'll try it, but I'll be surprised. If he changed it, it lokoks EXACTLY
> > the same as the one I had.
> >
> > "Lem" wrote:
> >
> >> Chuck wrote:
> >>> Greetings, all. Here's my problem.
> >>> As my headline indicates, I have the NCU ish. Here's the twist.
> >>> I have ATT (formerly SBC) DSL service on two PCs, the main one in my
> >>> basement office, and secondarily on my son's PC upstairs. We recently had a
> >>> visit from ATT to fix a (major) DSL connectivity problem. I was not present,
> >>> but my Mom-in-law said the tech told her we would need to reconnect the
> >>> upstairs PC. OK, no big deal, I thought. I had installed it the first time
> >>> out. Well, here we go. No matter what I do, the PC will not recognize the
> >>> connection. I should mention that my main PC uses a 2wire 1000HW DSL modem,
> >>> and the second one connects via HPNA with a 2wire PC Port USB connection. No
> >>> troubles until now. Installation instructions are followed to the letter. The
> >>> PC Port is properly connected as indicated by its power light, as well as
> >>> being connected to its phone line, which is in turn connected to the DSL
> >>> filter which is plugged into the wall (whew!). This setup is as it always has
> >>> been since first install. My firewall (Kerio) is set up to allow the
> >>> connectivity. I THINK it actually connected ONCE for about two seconds, as
> >>> indicated by the systray icon for my Desktop Weather :-). But that's it.
> >>> The only change since we first hooked up to DSL is that we have upgraded to
> >>> the higher speed, but there was no connection problem in the 4-5 months since
> >>> then. This should not necessitate a different kind of DSL filter, should it?
> >>> HELP!!
> >> Your main mistake was to not be present when the ATT tech was there.
> >>
> >> The following is based on educated guesses only, so take it with that in
> >> mind.  I may be totally off base.
> >>
> >> I'm not very familiar with HPNA, but it seems to me that in order for it
> >> to coexist with both DSL and regular telephone signals, it must operate
> >> in a frequency band that is separate from both.  Thus, I would expect
> >> that the filters that you get from 2wire are 3-way filters rather than
> >> the usual hi-pass or lo-pass (I can never remember which) that are used
> >> to separate phone and DSL signals.
> >>
> >> As I understand your setup, the network connection from your son's pc
> >> goes into your home telephone wiring via a 2wire USB-to-phone adapter
> >> and then through a (presumably, 2wire-supplied) filter.  You don't say,
> >> however, how your main computer connects to the phone wires.  If your
> >> 2wire gateway shares a phone jack with a telephone device, it also
> >> requires a filter.  I suspect that the ATT tech replaced your original
> >> 2wire filter that went between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack with
> >> a standard DSL filter.  This may block the HPNA signals to/from the
> >> other pc.
> >>
> >> As a temporary test only, try removing any filter that is connected
> >> between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack.  See if you now have
> >> connectivity with the second pc.
> >>
> >> If this doesn't help, you will have to try to figure out what the ATT
> >> tech did to resolve your earlier problem and determine how that impacted
> >> your HPNA connection.  Perhaps 2wire tech support can help.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
> >>
> >> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> >>
> Good luck.  If the ATT tech installed a splitter next to the NID (see
> http://www.homephonewiring.com/dsl.html) then -- assuming that there is
> a separate HPNA jack on the 2wire gateway -- you will have to connect
> that to a wall jack OTHER than the one that has the DSL signal.  See the
> second paragraph below.
>
>  From http://www.homepna.org/support/faqs.asp#FAQ9
>
> How do I connect my HomePNA device if I have DSL splitters or filters?
>
> In some DSL installations, filters, micro-filters or micro-splitters are
> provide for telephone devices. These filters, micro-filters, or
> micro-splitters should NOT be connected between the wall jack and
> HomePNA devices. Telephones should be plugged into the phone jack on the
> HomePNA devices. Some filters if plugged between the HomePNA device
> phone jack and the telephone may cause the HomePNA device to stop working.
>
> In other DSL installations, a regular DSL splitter is installed outside
> of the home. That DSL splitter isolates the home telephone wiring from a
> seperate wire run to the DSL modem. In this situation, the regular
> telephone jacks should all be usable for the HomePNA network. The
> (seperate wire run) jack used by the DSL modem should not be used for a
> HomePNA device.
>
> For more information, please see our Filters page
>
>
> --
> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>

> Sure I did.
> "I should mention that my main PC uses a 2wire 1000HW DSL modem,
> and the second one connects via HPNA with a 2wire PC Port USB connection."
> The main one connects to the 1000HW via Etehrnet cable, and thence through a
> (two-port) filter into the wall jack. The filters are 2wire, supplied by SBC
> when I activated DSL. I purchased the PC Port later, and the instructions say
> it should go through the filter. But I'll try it when  get home.
>
> "Lem" wrote:
>
>> Chuck wrote:
>>> Hm. I'll try it, but I'll be surprised. If he changed it, it lokoks EXACTLY
>>> the same as the one I had.
>>>
>>> "Lem" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chuck wrote:
>>>>> Greetings, all. Here's my problem.
>>>>> As my headline indicates, I have the NCU ish. Here's the twist.
>>>>> I have ATT (formerly SBC) DSL service on two PCs, the main one in my
>>>>> basement office, and secondarily on my son's PC upstairs. We recently had a
>>>>> visit from ATT to fix a (major) DSL connectivity problem. I was not present,
>>>>> but my Mom-in-law said the tech told her we would need to reconnect the
>>>>> upstairs PC. OK, no big deal, I thought. I had installed it the first time
>>>>> out. Well, here we go. No matter what I do, the PC will not recognize the
>>>>> connection. I should mention that my main PC uses a 2wire 1000HW DSL modem,
>>>>> and the second one connects via HPNA with a 2wire PC Port USB connection. No
>>>>> troubles until now. Installation instructions are followed to the letter. The
>>>>> PC Port is properly connected as indicated by its power light, as well as
>>>>> being connected to its phone line, which is in turn connected to the DSL
>>>>> filter which is plugged into the wall (whew!). This setup is as it always has
>>>>> been since first install. My firewall (Kerio) is set up to allow the
>>>>> connectivity. I THINK it actually connected ONCE for about two seconds, as
>>>>> indicated by the systray icon for my Desktop Weather :-). But that's it.
>>>>> The only change since we first hooked up to DSL is that we have upgraded to
>>>>> the higher speed, but there was no connection problem in the 4-5 months since
>>>>> then. This should not necessitate a different kind of DSL filter, should it?
>>>>> HELP!!
>>>> Your main mistake was to not be present when the ATT tech was there.
>>>>
>>>> The following is based on educated guesses only, so take it with that in
>>>> mind.  I may be totally off base.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not very familiar with HPNA, but it seems to me that in order for it
>>>> to coexist with both DSL and regular telephone signals, it must operate
>>>> in a frequency band that is separate from both.  Thus, I would expect
>>>> that the filters that you get from 2wire are 3-way filters rather than
>>>> the usual hi-pass or lo-pass (I can never remember which) that are used
>>>> to separate phone and DSL signals.
>>>>
>>>> As I understand your setup, the network connection from your son's pc
>>>> goes into your home telephone wiring via a 2wire USB-to-phone adapter
>>>> and then through a (presumably, 2wire-supplied) filter.  You don't say,
>>>> however, how your main computer connects to the phone wires.  If your
>>>> 2wire gateway shares a phone jack with a telephone device, it also
>>>> requires a filter.  I suspect that the ATT tech replaced your original
>>>> 2wire filter that went between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack with
>>>> a standard DSL filter.  This may block the HPNA signals to/from the
>>>> other pc.
>>>>
>>>> As a temporary test only, try removing any filter that is connected
>>>> between your 2wire gateway and the wall jack.  See if you now have
>>>> connectivity with the second pc.
>>>>
>>>> If this doesn't help, you will have to try to figure out what the ATT
>>>> tech did to resolve your earlier problem and determine how that impacted
>>>> your HPNA connection.  Perhaps 2wire tech support can help.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>>>
>>>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>>>
>> Good luck.  If the ATT tech installed a splitter next to the NID (see
>> http://www.homephonewiring.com/dsl.html) then -- assuming that there is
>> a separate HPNA jack on the 2wire gateway -- you will have to connect
>> that to a wall jack OTHER than the one that has the DSL signal.  See the
>> second paragraph below.
>>
>>  From http://www.homepna.org/support/faqs.asp#FAQ9
>>
>> How do I connect my HomePNA device if I have DSL splitters or filters?
>>
>> In some DSL installations, filters, micro-filters or micro-splitters are
>> provide for telephone devices. These filters, micro-filters, or
>> micro-splitters should NOT be connected between the wall jack and
>> HomePNA devices. Telephones should be plugged into the phone jack on the
>> HomePNA devices. Some filters if plugged between the HomePNA device
>> phone jack and the telephone may cause the HomePNA device to stop working.
>>
>> In other DSL installations, a regular DSL splitter is installed outside
>> of the home. That DSL splitter isolates the home telephone wiring from a
>> seperate wire run to the DSL modem. In this situation, the regular
>> telephone jacks should all be usable for the HomePNA network. The
>> (seperate wire run) jack used by the DSL modem should not be used for a
>> HomePNA device.
>>
>> For more information, please see our Filters page
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>
>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>