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Master browser settingI have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop machine
(Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in Network Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth can see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access Kenneth's, says no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe master browser settings wrong? All network properties seem to be set the same, unless I'm overlooking something. TIA -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop machine Ken,>(Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). > >I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and also >Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in Network >Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth can see >Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access Kenneth's, says >no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe master browser >settings wrong? All network properties seem to be set the same, unless >I'm overlooking something. If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see its own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the browser. Probably a personal firewall. I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new problems each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better if we have some idea what's really going on. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's firewall > On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop machine >>(Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >> >>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and also >>Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in Network >>Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth can see >>Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access Kenneth's, >>says no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe master browser >>settings wrong? All network properties seem to be set the same, unless >>I'm overlooking something. > > Ken, > > If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see its > own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the browser. > Probably a personal firewall. > > I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never > figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new problems > each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better if we have > some idea what's really going on. > (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see icons. Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? So now I'm back to square one. This is what's really going on. Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive icons but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not Kenneth's. Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections properties are all set the same. Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No SP1. Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a dial-up and it's too slow. Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. Neither can ping the other. The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly crashed Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of the registry made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've had the above problems since then. Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. Anything else you need to know? TIA -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in Ken,>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: > >> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop machine >>>(Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>> >>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and also >>>Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in Network >>>Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth can see >>>Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access Kenneth's, >>>says no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe master browser >>>settings wrong? All network properties seem to be set the same, unless >>>I'm overlooking something. >> >> Ken, >> >> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see its >> own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the browser. >> Probably a personal firewall. >> >> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never >> figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new problems >> each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better if we have >> some idea what's really going on. >> > >Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's firewall >(Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons immediately >appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see icons. Rebooted. Still >see icons. ??? > >So now I'm back to square one. > >This is what's really going on. > >Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive icons >but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). > >Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not Kenneth's. > >Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. > >Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. > >As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections properties >are all set the same. > >Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No SP1. >Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a dial-up and >it's too slow. > >Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. > >Neither can ping the other. > >The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly crashed >Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of the registry made >at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've had the above problems >since then. > >Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see >Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When you turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see Kenneth as the master browser, and got the browse list from it. You turned the firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the cached browse list. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networking.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networking.html You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the firewall issue. We need to first look at the network while the firewalls are in normal state, which right now is on (which is a good normal state). <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html Let's look at "browstat status", "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download browstat!): <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:hb1fl2ptqoosngdm5r0epoe1bmgihgha53@4ax.com: Evidently the hub and cables are ok then?> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: >> >>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop >>>>machine (Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>>> >>>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and >>>>also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in >>>>Network Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth can >>>>see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access >>>>Kenneth's, says no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe >>>>master browser settings wrong? All network properties seem to be set >>>>the same, unless I'm overlooking something. >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see its >>> own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the browser. >>> Probably a personal firewall. >>> >>> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never >>> figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new problems >>> each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better if we have >>> some idea what's really going on. >>> >> >>Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's >>firewall (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons >>immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see icons. >>Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? >> >>So now I'm back to square one. >> >>This is what's really going on. >> >>Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive icons >>but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). >> >>Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not >>Kenneth's. >> >>Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. >> >>Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. >> >>As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections >>properties are all set the same. >> >>Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No SP1. >>Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a dial-up >>and it's too slow. >> >>Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. >> >>Neither can ping the other. >> >>The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly crashed >>Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of the registry >>made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've had the above >>problems since then. >> >>Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see >>Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. > > Ken, > > The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When you > turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see Kenneth as the > master browser, Show quoteHide quote > and got the browse list from it. You turned the Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto> firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the cached > browse list. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networkin > g.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networking > .html > > You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and > especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the firewall > issue. We need to first look at the network while the firewalls are > in normal state, which right now is on (which is a good normal state). > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutoria > l.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial > .html > > Let's look at "browstat status", Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} Browsing is active on domain. Master browser name is: BERNARD Master browser is running build 2600 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD \\BERNARD There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} Browsing is NOT active on domain. Master browser name is held by: KENNETH Master browser is running build 2600 "ipconfig /all", Bernard Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Bernard Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-A5-D7-84-9E Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-5A-B1-0C Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : PPP adapter Deru: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3 209.244.0.4 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled "net config server", and "net config workstation", Bernard Server Name \\BERNARD Server Comment Compaq 5000 Software version Windows 2002 Server is active on NetbiosSmb (000000000000) NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002a5d7849e) Server hidden No Maximum Logged On Users 5 Maximum open files per session 16384 Idle session time (min) 15 The command completed successfully. Computer name \\BERNARD Full Computer name Bernard User name Ken Workstation active on NetbiosSmb (000000000000) NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002A5D7849E) Software version Windows 2002 Workstation domain MSHOME Workstation Domain DNS Name (null) Logon domain BERNARD COM Open Timeout (sec) 0 COM Send Count (byte) 16 COM Send Timeout (msec) 250 The command completed successfully. Kenneth Server Name \\KENNETH Server Comment eMachine Software version Windows 2002 Server is active on NetbiosSmb (000000000000) NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} (0011115ab10c) Server hidden No Maximum Logged On Users 5 Maximum open files per session 16384 Idle session time (min) 15 The command completed successfully. from each computer. Read this > article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely TCP/IP - Advanced Properties - WINS> (download browstat!): > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighbor > hood.html#AskingForHelp> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborh > ood.html#AskingForHelp > > And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html > Both Bernard and Kenneth /X/ enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP Thanks Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:51:25 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in OK, Ken,>news:hb1fl2ptqoosngdm5r0epoe1bmgihgha53@4ax.com: > >> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop >>>>>machine (Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>>>> >>>>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and >>>>>also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in >>>>>Network Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth can >>>>>see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access >>>>>Kenneth's, says no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe >>>>>master browser settings wrong? All network properties seem to be set >>>>>the same, unless I'm overlooking something. >>>> >>>> Ken, >>>> >>>> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see its >>>> own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the browser. >>>> Probably a personal firewall. >>>> >>>> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never >>>> figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new problems >>>> each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better if we have >>>> some idea what's really going on. >>>> >>> >>>Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's >>>firewall (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons >>>immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see icons. >>>Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? >>> >>>So now I'm back to square one. >>> >>>This is what's really going on. >>> >>>Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive icons >>>but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). >>> >>>Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not >>>Kenneth's. >>> >>>Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. >>> >>>Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. >>> >>>As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections >>>properties are all set the same. >>> >>>Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No SP1. >>>Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a dial-up >>>and it's too slow. >>> >>>Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. >>> >>>Neither can ping the other. >>> >>>The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly crashed >>>Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of the registry >>>made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've had the above >>>problems since then. >>> >>>Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see >>>Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. >> >> Ken, >> >> The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When you >> turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see Kenneth as the >> master browser, > >Evidently the hub and cables are ok then? > >> and got the browse list from it. You turned the >> firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the cached >> browse list. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networkin >> g.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networking >> .html >> >> You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and >> especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the firewall >> issue. We need to first look at the network while the firewalls are >> in normal state, which right now is on (which is a good normal state). >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutoria >> l.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial >> .html >> >> Let's look at "browstat status", > >Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- >4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > Browsing is active on domain. > Master browser name is: BERNARD > Master browser is running build 2600 > 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD > \\BERNARD > There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > >Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- >44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} > Browsing is NOT active on domain. > Master browser name is held by: KENNETH > Master browser is running build 2600 > >"ipconfig /all", > >Bernard > >Windows IP Configuration > > > > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Bernard > > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown > > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > > > >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > > > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM Network >Connection > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-A5-D7-84-9E > > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1 > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : > > >Kenneth > >Windows IP Configuration > > > > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth > > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : > > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown > > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No > > > >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > > > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network >Connection > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-5A-B1-0C > > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.3 > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : > > > >PPP adapter Deru: > > > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 > > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 > > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3 > > 209.244.0.4 > > NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled > > > >"net config server", and "net config workstation", > >Bernard > >Server Name \\BERNARD >Server Comment Compaq 5000 > >Software version Windows 2002 >Server is active on > NetbiosSmb (000000000000) > NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002a5d7849e) > > >Server hidden No >Maximum Logged On Users 5 >Maximum open files per session 16384 > >Idle session time (min) 15 >The command completed successfully. > >Computer name \\BERNARD >Full Computer name Bernard >User name Ken > >Workstation active on > NetbiosSmb (000000000000) > NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002A5D7849E) > >Software version Windows 2002 > >Workstation domain MSHOME >Workstation Domain DNS Name (null) >Logon domain BERNARD > >COM Open Timeout (sec) 0 >COM Send Count (byte) 16 >COM Send Timeout (msec) 250 >The command completed successfully. > >Kenneth > >Server Name \\KENNETH >Server Comment eMachine > >Software version Windows 2002 >Server is active on > NetbiosSmb (000000000000) > NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} (0011115ab10c) > > >Server hidden No >Maximum Logged On Users 5 >Maximum open files per session 16384 > >Idle session time (min) 15 >The command completed successfully. > >from each computer. Read this >> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely >> (download browstat!): >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighbor >> hood.html#AskingForHelp> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborh >> ood.html#AskingForHelp >> >> And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html >> >TCP/IP - Advanced Properties - WINS > >Both Bernard and Kenneth > > /X/ enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP > >Thanks > >Ken What is "Master Browser set to Auto"? Are you referring to the Computer Browser service Startup type set to "Automatic"? And "Master Browser set to Yes" - is that Computer Browser service Startup type set to "Manual"? Pick one computer - with two computers either one is OK, though I would use the newest - as Master Browser. 1) Set the Computer Browser service Startup type to "Automatic" on the designated MB. 2) Stop, then Disable, the service on the other. 3) Power both computers off. 4) Power the MB on. Wait til the desktop is up. 5) Power the other computer on. 6) Rerun browstat on both. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:u4jkl2lkkrcipp84sn05cpv5t7nuke58nh@4ax.com: I am setting the Master Browser using the registry setting IsDomainMaster > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:51:25 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:hb1fl2ptqoosngdm5r0epoe1bmgihgha53@4ax.com: >> >>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop >>>>>>machine (Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>>>>> >>>>>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and >>>>>>also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in >>>>>>Network Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth >>>>>>can see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access >>>>>>Kenneth's, says no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe >>>>>>master browser settings wrong? All network properties seem to be >>>>>>set the same, unless I'm overlooking something. >>>>> >>>>> Ken, >>>>> >>>>> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see >>>>> its own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the >>>>> browser. Probably a personal firewall. >>>>> >>>>> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never >>>>> figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new >>>>> problems each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better >>>>> if we have some idea what's really going on. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's >>>>firewall (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons >>>>immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see icons. >>>>Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? >>>> >>>>So now I'm back to square one. >>>> >>>>This is what's really going on. >>>> >>>>Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive >>>>icons but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). >>>> >>>>Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not >>>>Kenneth's. >>>> >>>>Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. >>>> >>>>Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. >>>> >>>>As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections >>>>properties are all set the same. >>>> >>>>Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No >>>>SP1. Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a >>>>dial-up and it's too slow. >>>> >>>>Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. >>>> >>>>Neither can ping the other. >>>> >>>>The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly >>>>crashed Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of the >>>>registry made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've had >>>>the above problems since then. >>>> >>>>Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see >>>>Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When you >>> turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see Kenneth as >>> the master browser, >> >>Evidently the hub and cables are ok then? >> >>> and got the browse list from it. You turned the >>> firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the cached >>> browse list. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-network >>> in g.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networki >>> ng .html >>> >>> You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and >>> especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the firewall >>> issue. We need to first look at the network while the firewalls are >>> in normal state, which right now is on (which is a good normal >>> state). >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutor >>> ia l.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutori >>> al .html >>> >>> Let's look at "browstat status", >> >>Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> Browsing is active on domain. >> Master browser name is: BERNARD >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >> \\BERNARD >> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> >>Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> >>"ipconfig /all", >> >>Bernard >> >>Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Bernard >> >> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >> >> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >> >> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM >> Network >>Connection >> >> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-A5-D7-84-9E >> >> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >> >> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1 >> >> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >>Kenneth >> >>Windows IP Configuration >> >> >> >> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth >> >> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >> >> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >> >> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >> >> >> >>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >> >> >> >> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >> >> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE >> Network >>Connection >> >> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-5A-B1-0C >> >> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >> >> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.3 >> >> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >> >> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >> >> >> >>PPP adapter Deru: >> >> >> >> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >> >> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >> >> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >> >> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >> >> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >> >> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >> >> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >> >> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3 >> >> 209.244.0.4 >> >> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled >> >> >> >>"net config server", and "net config workstation", >> >>Bernard >> >>Server Name \\BERNARD >>Server Comment Compaq 5000 >> >>Software version Windows 2002 >>Server is active on >> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002a5d7849e) >> >> >>Server hidden No >>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>Maximum open files per session 16384 >> >>Idle session time (min) 15 >>The command completed successfully. >> >>Computer name \\BERNARD >>Full Computer name Bernard >>User name Ken >> >>Workstation active on >> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002A5D7849E) >> >>Software version Windows 2002 >> >>Workstation domain MSHOME >>Workstation Domain DNS Name (null) >>Logon domain BERNARD >> >>COM Open Timeout (sec) 0 >>COM Send Count (byte) 16 >>COM Send Timeout (msec) 250 >>The command completed successfully. >> >>Kenneth >> >>Server Name \\KENNETH >>Server Comment eMachine >> >>Software version Windows 2002 >>Server is active on >> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >> NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} (0011115ab10c) >> >> >>Server hidden No >>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>Maximum open files per session 16384 >> >>Idle session time (min) 15 >>The command completed successfully. >> >>from each computer. Read this >>> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely >>> (download browstat!): >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighb >>> or hood.html#AskingForHelp> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighbo >>> rh ood.html#AskingForHelp >>> >>> And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html >>> >>TCP/IP - Advanced Properties - WINS >> >>Both Bernard and Kenneth >> >> /X/ enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP >> >>Thanks >> >>Ken > > > OK, Ken, > > What is "Master Browser set to Auto"? Are you referring to the > Computer Browser service Startup type set to "Automatic"? And "Master > Browser set to Yes" - is that Computer Browser service Startup type > set to "Manual"? > at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters The options are Yes: is master browser No: is not master browser Auto: Resolve though browser elections (default) This is where I am setting a computer as Master Browser. Evidently this does not agree with your response to my setting immediately above. Should I be setting the Master Browser elsewhere? I know of no place to do so. Once we get this clear I will follow your instructions below. Thanks, Ken > Pick one computer - with two computers either one is OK, though I > would use the newest - as Master Browser. > 1) Set the Computer Browser service Startup type to "Automatic" on the > designated MB. > 2) Stop, then Disable, the service on the other. > 3) Power both computers off. > 4) Power the MB on. Wait til the desktop is up. > 5) Power the other computer on. > 6) Rerun browstat on both. > -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:57:59 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in Ken,>news:u4jkl2lkkrcipp84sn05cpv5t7nuke58nh@4ax.com: > >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:51:25 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:hb1fl2ptqoosngdm5r0epoe1bmgihgha53@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop >>>>>>>machine (Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and >>>>>>>also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives in >>>>>>>Network Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). Kenneth >>>>>>>can see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can only access >>>>>>>Kenneth's, says no permission or network path for Bernard's. Maybe >>>>>>>master browser settings wrong? All network properties seem to be >>>>>>>set the same, unless I'm overlooking something. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken, >>>>>> >>>>>> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see >>>>>> its own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the >>>>>> browser. Probably a personal firewall. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never >>>>>> figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new >>>>>> problems each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better >>>>>> if we have some idea what's really going on. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's >>>>>firewall (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons >>>>>immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see icons. >>>>>Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? >>>>> >>>>>So now I'm back to square one. >>>>> >>>>>This is what's really going on. >>>>> >>>>>Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive >>>>>icons but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). >>>>> >>>>>Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not >>>>>Kenneth's. >>>>> >>>>>Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. >>>>> >>>>>Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. >>>>> >>>>>As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections >>>>>properties are all set the same. >>>>> >>>>>Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No >>>>>SP1. Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a >>>>>dial-up and it's too slow. >>>>> >>>>>Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. >>>>> >>>>>Neither can ping the other. >>>>> >>>>>The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly >>>>>crashed Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of the >>>>>registry made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've had >>>>>the above problems since then. >>>>> >>>>>Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see >>>>>Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. >>>> >>>> Ken, >>>> >>>> The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When you >>>> turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see Kenneth as >>>> the master browser, >>> >>>Evidently the hub and cables are ok then? >>> >>>> and got the browse list from it. You turned the >>>> firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the cached >>>> browse list. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-network >>>> in g.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networki >>>> ng .html >>>> >>>> You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and >>>> especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the firewall >>>> issue. We need to first look at the network while the firewalls are >>>> in normal state, which right now is on (which is a good normal >>>> state). >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutor >>>> ia l.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutori >>>> al .html >>>> >>>> Let's look at "browstat status", >>> >>>Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> Browsing is active on domain. >>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>> \\BERNARD >>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> >>>Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> >>>"ipconfig /all", >>> >>>Bernard >>> >>>Windows IP Configuration >>> >>> >>> >>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Bernard >>> >>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>> >>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>> >>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>> >>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>> >>> >>> >>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>> >>> >>> >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>> >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM >>> Network >>>Connection >>> >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-A5-D7-84-9E >>> >>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>> >>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1 >>> >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>> >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>> >>> >>>Kenneth >>> >>>Windows IP Configuration >>> >>> >>> >>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth >>> >>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>> >>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>> >>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>> >>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>> >>> >>> >>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>> >>> >>> >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>> >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE >>> Network >>>Connection >>> >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-5A-B1-0C >>> >>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>> >>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.3 >>> >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>> >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>> >>> >>> >>>PPP adapter Deru: >>> >>> >>> >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>> >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >>> >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >>> >>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>> >>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>> >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >>> >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>> >>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3 >>> >>> 209.244.0.4 >>> >>> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled >>> >>> >>> >>>"net config server", and "net config workstation", >>> >>>Bernard >>> >>>Server Name \\BERNARD >>>Server Comment Compaq 5000 >>> >>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>Server is active on >>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002a5d7849e) >>> >>> >>>Server hidden No >>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>> >>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>The command completed successfully. >>> >>>Computer name \\BERNARD >>>Full Computer name Bernard >>>User name Ken >>> >>>Workstation active on >>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} (0002A5D7849E) >>> >>>Software version Windows 2002 >>> >>>Workstation domain MSHOME >>>Workstation Domain DNS Name (null) >>>Logon domain BERNARD >>> >>>COM Open Timeout (sec) 0 >>>COM Send Count (byte) 16 >>>COM Send Timeout (msec) 250 >>>The command completed successfully. >>> >>>Kenneth >>> >>>Server Name \\KENNETH >>>Server Comment eMachine >>> >>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>Server is active on >>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>> NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} (0011115ab10c) >>> >>> >>>Server hidden No >>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>> >>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>The command completed successfully. >>> >>>from each computer. Read this >>>> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely >>>> (download browstat!): >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighb >>>> or hood.html#AskingForHelp> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighbo >>>> rh ood.html#AskingForHelp >>>> >>>> And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html >>>> >>>TCP/IP - Advanced Properties - WINS >>> >>>Both Bernard and Kenneth >>> >>> /X/ enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Ken >> >> >> OK, Ken, >> >> What is "Master Browser set to Auto"? Are you referring to the >> Computer Browser service Startup type set to "Automatic"? And "Master >> Browser set to Yes" - is that Computer Browser service Startup type >> set to "Manual"? >> >I am setting the Master Browser using the registry setting IsDomainMaster >at > >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters > >The options are > >Yes: is master browser >No: is not master browser >Auto: Resolve though browser elections (default) > >This is where I am setting a computer as Master Browser. Evidently this >does not agree with your response to my setting immediately above. Should >I be setting the Master Browser elsewhere? I know of no place to do so. >Once we get this clear I will follow your instructions below. > >Thanks, > >Ken > >> Pick one computer - with two computers either one is OK, though I >> would use the newest - as Master Browser. >> 1) Set the Computer Browser service Startup type to "Automatic" on the >> designated MB. >> 2) Stop, then Disable, the service on the other. >> 3) Power both computers off. >> 4) Power the MB on. Wait til the desktop is up. >> 5) Power the other computer on. >> 6) Rerun browstat on both. The settings IsDomainMaster and MaintainServerList are good settings to use in an actual domain, with multiple servers, to make the server election process more manageable. In a home network, you'll get more predictable results by disabling the browser service on computers that don't need to be a browser. Read about the browser in my article, and the linked Microsoft white papers, if you like. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:4biml2dn239s5fr9ttc23u93vr7p9jg189@4ax.com: Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in registry > On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:57:59 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:u4jkl2lkkrcipp84sn05cpv5t7nuke58nh@4ax.com: >> >>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:51:25 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>news:hb1fl2ptqoosngdm5r0epoe1bmgihgha53@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop >>>>>>>>machine (Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and >>>>>>>>also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives >>>>>>>>in Network Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). >>>>>>>>Kenneth can see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can >>>>>>>>only access Kenneth's, says no permission or network path for >>>>>>>>Bernard's. Maybe master browser settings wrong? All network >>>>>>>>properties seem to be set the same, unless I'm overlooking >>>>>>>>something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see >>>>>>> its own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the >>>>>>> browser. Probably a personal firewall. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never >>>>>>> figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new >>>>>>> problems each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better >>>>>>> if we have some idea what's really going on. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's >>>>>>firewall (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons >>>>>>immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see >>>>>>icons. Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? >>>>>> >>>>>>So now I'm back to square one. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is what's really going on. >>>>>> >>>>>>Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive >>>>>>icons but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). >>>>>> >>>>>>Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not >>>>>>Kenneth's. >>>>>> >>>>>>Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. >>>>>> >>>>>>Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. >>>>>> >>>>>>As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections >>>>>>properties are all set the same. >>>>>> >>>>>>Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No >>>>>>SP1. Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a >>>>>>dial-up and it's too slow. >>>>>> >>>>>>Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. >>>>>> >>>>>>Neither can ping the other. >>>>>> >>>>>>The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly >>>>>>crashed Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of >>>>>>the registry made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've >>>>>>had the above problems since then. >>>>>> >>>>>>Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see >>>>>>Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. >>>>> >>>>> Ken, >>>>> >>>>> The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When you >>>>> turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see Kenneth as >>>>> the master browser, >>>> >>>>Evidently the hub and cables are ok then? >>>> >>>>> and got the browse list from it. You turned the >>>>> firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the >>>>> cached browse list. >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-netwo >>>>> rk in g.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networ >>>>> ki ng .html >>>>> >>>>> You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and >>>>> especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the >>>>> firewall issue. We need to first look at the network while the >>>>> firewalls are in normal state, which right now is on (which is a >>>>> good normal state). >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tut >>>>> or ia l.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tuto >>>>> ri al .html >>>>> >>>>> Let's look at "browstat status", >>>> >>>>Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>> \\BERNARD >>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> >>>>Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> >>>>"ipconfig /all", >>>> >>>>Bernard >>>> >>>>Windows IP Configuration >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Bernard >>>> >>>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>>> >>>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>>> >>>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>> >>>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>> >>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM >>>> Network >>>>Connection >>>> >>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-A5-D7-84-9E >>>> >>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>> >>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1 >>>> >>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>>> >>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>>> >>>> >>>>Kenneth >>>> >>>>Windows IP Configuration >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth >>>> >>>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>>> >>>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>>> >>>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>> >>>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>> >>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE >>>> Network >>>>Connection >>>> >>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-5A-B1-0C >>>> >>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>> >>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.3 >>>> >>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>>> >>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>PPP adapter Deru: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>> >>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >>>> >>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >>>> >>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>> >>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>>> >>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >>>> >>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>>> >>>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3 >>>> >>>> 209.244.0.4 >>>> >>>> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"net config server", and "net config workstation", >>>> >>>>Bernard >>>> >>>>Server Name \\BERNARD >>>>Server Comment Compaq 5000 >>>> >>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>Server is active on >>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> (0002a5d7849e) >>>> >>>> >>>>Server hidden No >>>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>>> >>>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>>The command completed successfully. >>>> >>>>Computer name \\BERNARD >>>>Full Computer name Bernard >>>>User name Ken >>>> >>>>Workstation active on >>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> (0002A5D7849E) >>>> >>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>> >>>>Workstation domain MSHOME >>>>Workstation Domain DNS Name (null) >>>>Logon domain BERNARD >>>> >>>>COM Open Timeout (sec) 0 >>>>COM Send Count (byte) 16 >>>>COM Send Timeout (msec) 250 >>>>The command completed successfully. >>>> >>>>Kenneth >>>> >>>>Server Name \\KENNETH >>>>Server Comment eMachine >>>> >>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>Server is active on >>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> (0011115ab10c) >>>> >>>> >>>>Server hidden No >>>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>>> >>>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>>The command completed successfully. >>>> >>>>from each computer. Read this >>>>> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely >>>>> (download browstat!): >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neig >>>>> hb or hood.html#AskingForHelp> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neigh >>>>> bo rh ood.html#AskingForHelp >>>>> >>>>> And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html >>>>> >>>>TCP/IP - Advanced Properties - WINS >>>> >>>>Both Bernard and Kenneth >>>> >>>> /X/ enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>>Ken >>> >>> >>> OK, Ken, >>> >>> What is "Master Browser set to Auto"? Are you referring to the >>> Computer Browser service Startup type set to "Automatic"? And >>> "Master Browser set to Yes" - is that Computer Browser service >>> Startup type set to "Manual"? >>> >>I am setting the Master Browser using the registry setting >>IsDomainMaster at >> >>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters >> >>The options are >> >>Yes: is master browser >>No: is not master browser >>Auto: Resolve though browser elections (default) >> >>This is where I am setting a computer as Master Browser. Evidently >>this does not agree with your response to my setting immediately >>above. Should I be setting the Master Browser elsewhere? I know of no >>place to do so. Once we get this clear I will follow your instructions >>below. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ken >> >>> Pick one computer - with two computers either one is OK, though I >>> would use the newest - as Master Browser. >>> 1) Set the Computer Browser service Startup type to "Automatic" on >>> the designated MB. >>> 2) Stop, then Disable, the service on the other. >>> 3) Power both computers off. >>> 4) Power the MB on. Wait til the desktop is up. >>> 5) Power the other computer on. >>> 6) Rerun browstat on both. > > Ken, > > The settings IsDomainMaster and MaintainServerList are good settings > to use in an actual domain, with multiple servers, to make the server > election process more manageable. In a home network, you'll get more > predictable results by disabling the browser service on computers that > don't need to be a browser. Read about the browser in my article, and > the linked Microsoft white papers, if you like. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always- > see.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-s > ee.html > as described yesterday above. Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} Browsing is NOT active on domain. Master browser name is held by: KENNETH Master browser is running build 2600 Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in registry as described yesterday above. Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} Browsing is active on domain. Master browser name is: BERNARD Master browser is running build 2600 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD \\BERNARD There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not Bernard. I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP Home? In your http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always- see.html you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say how. For Windows 9X you give more details. Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The Services wizard>news:4biml2dn239s5fr9ttc23u93vr7p9jg189@4ax.com: > >> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:57:59 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:u4jkl2lkkrcipp84sn05cpv5t7nuke58nh@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:51:25 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>news:hb1fl2ptqoosngdm5r0epoe1bmgihgha53@4ax.com: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop >>>>>>>>>machine (Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No and >>>>>>>>>also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared drives >>>>>>>>>in Network Neighboehood (no permission to view workgroup?). >>>>>>>>>Kenneth can see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared drives but can >>>>>>>>>only access Kenneth's, says no permission or network path for >>>>>>>>>Bernard's. Maybe master browser settings wrong? All network >>>>>>>>>properties seem to be set the same, unless I'm overlooking >>>>>>>>>something. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ken, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't see >>>>>>>> its own shared drives, then you have a problem other than the >>>>>>>> browser. Probably a personal firewall. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently never >>>>>>>> figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these new >>>>>>>> problems each time? We'll work with you, but we can work better >>>>>>>> if we have some idea what's really going on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's >>>>>>>firewall (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons >>>>>>>immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see >>>>>>>icons. Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So now I'm back to square one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is what's really going on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive >>>>>>>icons but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not >>>>>>>Kenneth's. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections >>>>>>>properties are all set the same. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. No >>>>>>>SP1. Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I use a >>>>>>>dial-up and it's too slow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Neither can ping the other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly >>>>>>>crashed Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of >>>>>>>the registry made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and I've >>>>>>>had the above problems since then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth see >>>>>>>Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken, >>>>>> >>>>>> The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When you >>>>>> turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see Kenneth as >>>>>> the master browser, >>>>> >>>>>Evidently the hub and cables are ok then? >>>>> >>>>>> and got the browse list from it. You turned the >>>>>> firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the >>>>>> cached browse list. >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-netwo >>>>>> rk in g.html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-networ >>>>>> ki ng .html >>>>>> >>>>>> You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and >>>>>> especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the >>>>>> firewall issue. We need to first look at the network while the >>>>>> firewalls are in normal state, which right now is on (which is a >>>>>> good normal state). >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tut >>>>>> or ia l.html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tuto >>>>>> ri al .html >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's look at "browstat status", >>>>> >>>>>Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> >>>>>Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> >>>>>"ipconfig /all", >>>>> >>>>>Bernard >>>>> >>>>>Windows IP Configuration >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Bernard >>>>> >>>>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>>>> >>>>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>>>> >>>>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>> >>>>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>>> >>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM >>>>> Network >>>>>Connection >>>>> >>>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-A5-D7-84-9E >>>>> >>>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>>> >>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1 >>>>> >>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>>>> >>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kenneth >>>>> >>>>>Windows IP Configuration >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth >>>>> >>>>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>>>> >>>>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>>>> >>>>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>> >>>>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>>> >>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE >>>>> Network >>>>>Connection >>>>> >>>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-5A-B1-0C >>>>> >>>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>>> >>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.3 >>>>> >>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>>>> >>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>PPP adapter Deru: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>>> >>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface >>>>> >>>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >>>>> >>>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>>> >>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>>>> >>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >>>>> >>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>>>> >>>>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3 >>>>> >>>>> 209.244.0.4 >>>>> >>>>> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"net config server", and "net config workstation", >>>>> >>>>>Bernard >>>>> >>>>>Server Name \\BERNARD >>>>>Server Comment Compaq 5000 >>>>> >>>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>>Server is active on >>>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> (0002a5d7849e) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Server hidden No >>>>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>>>> >>>>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>>>The command completed successfully. >>>>> >>>>>Computer name \\BERNARD >>>>>Full Computer name Bernard >>>>>User name Ken >>>>> >>>>>Workstation active on >>>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> (0002A5D7849E) >>>>> >>>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>> >>>>>Workstation domain MSHOME >>>>>Workstation Domain DNS Name (null) >>>>>Logon domain BERNARD >>>>> >>>>>COM Open Timeout (sec) 0 >>>>>COM Send Count (byte) 16 >>>>>COM Send Timeout (msec) 250 >>>>>The command completed successfully. >>>>> >>>>>Kenneth >>>>> >>>>>Server Name \\KENNETH >>>>>Server Comment eMachine >>>>> >>>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>>Server is active on >>>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> (0011115ab10c) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Server hidden No >>>>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>>>> >>>>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>>>The command completed successfully. >>>>> >>>>>from each computer. Read this >>>>>> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely >>>>>> (download browstat!): >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neig >>>>>> hb or hood.html#AskingForHelp> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neigh >>>>>> bo rh ood.html#AskingForHelp >>>>>> >>>>>> And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html >>>>>> >>>>>TCP/IP - Advanced Properties - WINS >>>>> >>>>>Both Bernard and Kenneth >>>>> >>>>> /X/ enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP >>>>> >>>>>Thanks >>>>> >>>>>Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> OK, Ken, >>>> >>>> What is "Master Browser set to Auto"? Are you referring to the >>>> Computer Browser service Startup type set to "Automatic"? And >>>> "Master Browser set to Yes" - is that Computer Browser service >>>> Startup type set to "Manual"? >>>> >>>I am setting the Master Browser using the registry setting >>>IsDomainMaster at >>> >>>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters >>> >>>The options are >>> >>>Yes: is master browser >>>No: is not master browser >>>Auto: Resolve though browser elections (default) >>> >>>This is where I am setting a computer as Master Browser. Evidently >>>this does not agree with your response to my setting immediately >>>above. Should I be setting the Master Browser elsewhere? I know of no >>>place to do so. Once we get this clear I will follow your instructions >>>below. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Ken >>> >>>> Pick one computer - with two computers either one is OK, though I >>>> would use the newest - as Master Browser. >>>> 1) Set the Computer Browser service Startup type to "Automatic" on >>>> the designated MB. >>>> 2) Stop, then Disable, the service on the other. >>>> 3) Power both computers off. >>>> 4) Power the MB on. Wait til the desktop is up. >>>> 5) Power the other computer on. >>>> 6) Rerun browstat on both. >> >> Ken, >> >> The settings IsDomainMaster and MaintainServerList are good settings >> to use in an actual domain, with multiple servers, to make the server >> election process more manageable. In a home network, you'll get more >> predictable results by disabling the browser service on computers that >> don't need to be a browser. Read about the browser in my article, and >> the linked Microsoft white papers, if you like. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always- >> see.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-s >> ee.html >> > >Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in registry >as described yesterday above. > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- >44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} > Browsing is NOT active on domain. > Master browser name is held by: KENNETH > Master browser is running build 2600 > >Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in registry as >described yesterday above. > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- >4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > Browsing is active on domain. > Master browser name is: BERNARD > Master browser is running build 2600 > 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD > \\BERNARD > There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > >This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not Bernard. > >I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP Home? In >your > >http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always- >see.html > >you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say how. For >Windows 9X you give more details. is available on both XP Home and Pro. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html After you change either browser service, you need to restart both computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you know when both computers are offline. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master browser > On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:4biml2dn239s5fr9ttc23u93vr7p9jg189@4ax.com: >> >>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:57:59 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>news:u4jkl2lkkrcipp84sn05cpv5t7nuke58nh@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:51:25 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>news:hb1fl2ptqoosngdm5r0epoe1bmgihgha53@4ax.com: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:38:43 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>news:7hhel2tj28dgonb05l2q75f81arle0qfsm@4ax.com: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:12:31 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I have two XP Home computers on a LAN. One is my main desktop >>>>>>>>>>machine (Kenneth) and the other a backup desktop (Bernard). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I've tried setting Kenneth master browser as Yes, Bernard No >>>>>>>>>>and also Bernard Auto. Bernard cannot see any of its shared >>>>>>>>>>drives in Network Neighboehood (no permission to view >>>>>>>>>>workgroup?). Kenneth can see Kenneth's and Bernard's shared >>>>>>>>>>drives but can only access Kenneth's, says no permission or >>>>>>>>>>network path for Bernard's. Maybe master browser settings >>>>>>>>>>wrong? All network properties seem to be set the same, unless >>>>>>>>>>I'm overlooking something. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ken, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you've set the browser off on Bernard, and Bernard can't >>>>>>>>> see its own shared drives, then you have a problem other than >>>>>>>>> the browser. Probably a personal firewall. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I see you asking for help her periodically, but apparently >>>>>>>>> never figuring out what the problem really is. Or are these >>>>>>>>> new problems each time? We'll work with you, but we can work >>>>>>>>> better if we have some idea what's really going on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hey! You nailed it! Thank you very much! I turned off Bernard's >>>>>>>>firewall (Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A) and the drive icons >>>>>>>>immediately appeared. Turned the firewall back on. Still see >>>>>>>>icons. Rebooted. Still see icons. ??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So now I'm back to square one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This is what's really going on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Kenneth sees its own drive icons and files. Sees Bernard's drive >>>>>>>>icons but can't look at files (no permission/no network path). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bernard can see its own drive icons and files again. But not >>>>>>>>Kenneth's. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bernard master browser currently set to Auto, Kenneth's to Yes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Both have the XP firewall turned off, TPF on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As far as I can tell both's Control Panel Network Connections >>>>>>>>properties are all set the same. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Both are running XP Home but Bernard's is a year or two older. >>>>>>>>No SP1. Kenneth has SP1. I've not upgraded neither on-line as I >>>>>>>>use a dial-up and it's too slow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Both use MSHOME as workgroup name. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Neither can ping the other. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The LAN worked up until a week or two ago, but then I stupidly >>>>>>>>crashed Kenneth. I restored the backup (NTBackup) and a copy of >>>>>>>>the registry made at the same time (Erunt) as the backup and >>>>>>>>I've had the above problems since then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bad hub? Change to crossover cable? But then how does Kenneth >>>>>>>>see Bernard's drive icons? And it worked before the crash. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The browse list is cached, it's not updated immediately. When >>>>>>> you turned the firewall off on Bernard, it was able to see >>>>>>> Kenneth as the master browser, >>>>>> >>>>>>Evidently the hub and cables are ok then? >>>>>> >>>>>>> and got the browse list from it. You turned the >>>>>>> firewall back on, and were still able to see, because of the >>>>>>> cached browse list. >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-net >>>>>>> wo rk in g.html> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/09/nt-browser-and-windows-netw >>>>>>> or ki ng .html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You could have a hardware problem too (anything is possible, and >>>>>>> especially compound problems), but let's concentrate on the >>>>>>> firewall issue. We need to first look at the network while the >>>>>>> firewalls are in normal state, which right now is on (which is a >>>>>>> good normal state). >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-t >>>>>>> ut or ia l.html> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tu >>>>>>> to ri al .html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's look at "browstat status", >>>>>> >>>>>>Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>>>>> >>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> >>>>>>Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>>>>> >>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>> >>>>>>"ipconfig /all", >>>>>> >>>>>>Bernard >>>>>> >>>>>>Windows IP Configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Bernard >>>>>> >>>>>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>>>>> >>>>>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>>>>> >>>>>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>>> >>>>>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>>>> >>>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VM >>>>>> Network >>>>>>Connection >>>>>> >>>>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-A5-D7-84-9E >>>>>> >>>>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>>>> >>>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Kenneth >>>>>> >>>>>>Windows IP Configuration >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Kenneth >>>>>> >>>>>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : >>>>>> >>>>>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown >>>>>> >>>>>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>>> >>>>>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>>>> >>>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE >>>>>> Network >>>>>>Connection >>>>>> >>>>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-5A-B1-0C >>>>>> >>>>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>>>> >>>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.3 >>>>>> >>>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>PPP adapter Deru: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : >>>>>> >>>>>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) >>>>>> Interface >>>>>> >>>>>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00 >>>>>> >>>>>> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No >>>>>> >>>>>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>>>>> >>>>>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 >>>>>> >>>>>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 4.240.36.225 >>>>>> >>>>>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 209.244.0.3 >>>>>> >>>>>> 209.244.0.4 >>>>>> >>>>>> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"net config server", and "net config workstation", >>>>>> >>>>>>Bernard >>>>>> >>>>>>Server Name \\BERNARD >>>>>>Server Comment Compaq 5000 >>>>>> >>>>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>>>Server is active on >>>>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> (0002a5d7849e) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Server hidden No >>>>>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>>>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>>>>> >>>>>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>>>>The command completed successfully. >>>>>> >>>>>>Computer name \\BERNARD >>>>>>Full Computer name Bernard >>>>>>User name Ken >>>>>> >>>>>>Workstation active on >>>>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> (0002A5D7849E) >>>>>> >>>>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>>> >>>>>>Workstation domain MSHOME >>>>>>Workstation Domain DNS Name (null) >>>>>>Logon domain BERNARD >>>>>> >>>>>>COM Open Timeout (sec) 0 >>>>>>COM Send Count (byte) 16 >>>>>>COM Send Timeout (msec) 250 >>>>>>The command completed successfully. >>>>>> >>>>>>Kenneth >>>>>> >>>>>>Server Name \\KENNETH >>>>>>Server Comment eMachine >>>>>> >>>>>>Software version Windows 2002 >>>>>>Server is active on >>>>>> NetbiosSmb (000000000000) >>>>>> NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>> (0011115ab10c) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Server hidden No >>>>>>Maximum Logged On Users 5 >>>>>>Maximum open files per session 16384 >>>>>> >>>>>>Idle session time (min) 15 >>>>>>The command completed successfully. >>>>>> >>>>>>from each computer. Read this >>>>>>> article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely >>>>>>> (download browstat!): >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-ne >>>>>>> ig hb or hood.html#AskingForHelp> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-nei >>>>>>> gh bo rh ood.html#AskingForHelp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And what is the exact setting for NetBT on both computers? >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>TCP/IP - Advanced Properties - WINS >>>>>> >>>>>>Both Bernard and Kenneth >>>>>> >>>>>> /X/ enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>>Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK, Ken, >>>>> >>>>> What is "Master Browser set to Auto"? Are you referring to the >>>>> Computer Browser service Startup type set to "Automatic"? And >>>>> "Master Browser set to Yes" - is that Computer Browser service >>>>> Startup type set to "Manual"? >>>>> >>>>I am setting the Master Browser using the registry setting >>>>IsDomainMaster at >>>> >>>>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Paramete >>>>rs >>>> >>>>The options are >>>> >>>>Yes: is master browser >>>>No: is not master browser >>>>Auto: Resolve though browser elections (default) >>>> >>>>This is where I am setting a computer as Master Browser. Evidently >>>>this does not agree with your response to my setting immediately >>>>above. Should I be setting the Master Browser elsewhere? I know of >>>>no place to do so. Once we get this clear I will follow your >>>>instructions below. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>Ken >>>> >>>>> Pick one computer - with two computers either one is OK, though I >>>>> would use the newest - as Master Browser. >>>>> 1) Set the Computer Browser service Startup type to "Automatic" on >>>>> the designated MB. >>>>> 2) Stop, then Disable, the service on the other. >>>>> 3) Power both computers off. >>>>> 4) Power the MB on. Wait til the desktop is up. >>>>> 5) Power the other computer on. >>>>> 6) Rerun browstat on both. >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> The settings IsDomainMaster and MaintainServerList are good settings >>> to use in an actual domain, with multiple servers, to make the >>> server election process more manageable. In a home network, you'll >>> get more predictable results by disabling the browser service on >>> computers that don't need to be a browser. Read about the browser in >>> my article, and the linked Microsoft white papers, if you like. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-alway >>> s- see.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always >>> -s ee.html >>> >> >>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in >>registry as described yesterday above. >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> >>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>registry as described yesterday above. >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> Browsing is active on domain. >> Master browser name is: BERNARD >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >> \\BERNARD >> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> >>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>Bernard. >> >>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP >>Home? In your >> >>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always- >>see.html >> >>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say how. >>For Windows 9X you give more details. > > The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The > Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-compute > r.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer > .html > > After you change either browser service, you need to restart both > computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you know when > both computers are offline. > with Services. Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In Services set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} Browsing is NOT active on domain. Master browser name is held by: KENNETH Master browser is running build 2600 Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} Browsing is NOT active on domain. Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. Not what I expected. Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in Ken,>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: > >> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in >>>registry as described yesterday above. >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> >>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>>registry as described yesterday above. >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> Browsing is active on domain. >>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>> \\BERNARD >>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> >>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>>Bernard. >>> >>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP >>>Home? In your >>> >>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always- >>>see.html >>> >>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say how. >>>For Windows 9X you give more details. >> >> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The >> Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-compute >> r.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer >> .html >> >> After you change either browser service, you need to restart both >> computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you know when >> both computers are offline. >> > >Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master browser >with Services. > >Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In Services set to >Automatic. Output of Browstat status > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- >44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} > Browsing is NOT active on domain. > Master browser name is held by: KENNETH > Master browser is running build 2600 > > >Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In Services >set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- >4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > Browsing is NOT active on domain. > Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. > >Not what I expected. > >Ken With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches shouldn't matter. But what settings do you have for IsDomainMaster and MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure that both are set to "Yes". And make sure that the browser service is actually running on Kenneth. Any errors in the Event Log? <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-details.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-details.html Your original logs: Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} Browsing is active on domain. Master browser name is: BERNARD Master browser is running build 2600 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD \\BERNARD There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} Browsing is NOT active on domain. Master browser name is held by: KENNETH Master browser is running build 2600 If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, then you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal firewall, or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:79rrl21s5o8gmhoka55jojvcr4lo838057@4ax.com: Ok. Done. They were both Auto (these are in the registry, right?). > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: >> >>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: > >>>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in >>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> >>>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>> \\BERNARD >>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> >>>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>>>Bernard. >>>> >>>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP >>>>Home? In your >>>> >>>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always >>>>- see.html >>>> >>>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say how. >>>>For Windows 9X you give more details. >>> >>> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The >>> Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-compu >>> te r.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-comput >>> er .html >>> >>> After you change either browser service, you need to restart both >>> computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you know when >>> both computers are offline. >>> >> >>Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master >>browser with Services. >> >>Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In Services >>set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> >> >>Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In >>Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. >> >>Not what I expected. >> >>Ken > > Ken, > > With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches shouldn't > matter. But what settings do you have for IsDomainMaster and > MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure that both are set to "Yes". Browstat status stayed the same. > I'll DL and print this and and study it tonight.> And make sure that the browser service is actually running on Kenneth. > Any errors in the Event Log? > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-detail > s.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-details > .html > Show quoteHide quote > Your original logs: I tried turning off the firewalls. Bernard Netwark Places stayed the > > Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto > > Status for domain MSHOME on transport > \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > Browsing is active on domain. > Master browser name is: BERNARD > Master browser is running build 2600 > 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD > \\BERNARD > There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport > \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ > {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport > \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ > {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > > Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes > > Status for domain MSHOME on transport > \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} > Browsing is NOT active on domain. > Master browser name is held by: KENNETH > Master browser is running build 2600 > > If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, then > you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal firewall, same, showing only Bernard's icons. However, Kenneth changed radically. Now I see no drive or other icons from either machine. If I click on Folders, then Entire network and then on Mshome icon I still get no icons from either machine. Turned the firewalls back on. No change. > or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. I'll DL these and print them and study them tonight. I'll report back > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eithe > r-help.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either > -help.html > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer- > in.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-i > n.html > tomorrow. BTW, the master browser settings - Automatic for Kenneth and Stopped and Disabled from Bernard - were made in the 'Computer Browser' entry in the Services list. Correct? Thanks. Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:39:18 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in Ken,>news:79rrl21s5o8gmhoka55jojvcr4lo838057@4ax.com: > >> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in >>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> >>>>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> >>>>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>>>>Bernard. >>>>> >>>>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP >>>>>Home? In your >>>>> >>>>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always >>>>>- see.html >>>>> >>>>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say how. >>>>>For Windows 9X you give more details. >>>> >>>> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The >>>> Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-compu >>>> te r.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-comput >>>> er .html >>>> >>>> After you change either browser service, you need to restart both >>>> computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you know when >>>> both computers are offline. >>>> >>> >>>Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master >>>browser with Services. >>> >>>Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In Services >>>set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> >>> >>>Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In >>>Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. >>> >>>Not what I expected. >>> >>>Ken >> >> Ken, >> >> With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches shouldn't >> matter. But what settings do you have for IsDomainMaster and >> MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure that both are set to "Yes". > >Ok. Done. They were both Auto (these are in the registry, right?). >Browstat status stayed the same. >> >> And make sure that the browser service is actually running on Kenneth. >> Any errors in the Event Log? >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-detail >> s.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-details >> .html >> >I'll DL and print this and and study it tonight. > >> Your original logs: >> >> Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >> >> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> Browsing is active on domain. >> Master browser name is: BERNARD >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >> \\BERNARD >> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> >> Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >> >> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> >> If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, then >> you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal firewall, > >I tried turning off the firewalls. Bernard Netwark Places stayed the >same, showing only Bernard's icons. However, Kenneth changed radically. >Now I see no drive or other icons from either machine. If I click on >Folders, then Entire network and then on Mshome icon I still get no icons >from either machine. > >Turned the firewalls back on. No change. > >> or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eithe >> r-help.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either >> -help.html >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer- >> in.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-i >> n.html >> >I'll DL these and print them and study them tonight. I'll report back >tomorrow. > >BTW, the master browser settings - Automatic for Kenneth and Stopped and >Disabled from Bernard - were made in the 'Computer Browser' entry in the >Services list. Correct? In order to prevent the problems, stopping the service on some computers, as you did, is the proper procedure. That does require the proper registry settings on the master browser, though, so I recommended that you correct those settings on Kenneth. The problem is that there are dozens of settings, services, and miscellaneous tweaks that you have to get right, all in proper order, for Windows Networking to operate properly. And you need to know what they are, don't just drop a whole cookbook of solutions in at once. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:7eiul2pidf18ess5pvluvbcgsased65190@4ax.com: In Kenneth:> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:39:18 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:79rrl21s5o8gmhoka55jojvcr4lo838057@4ax.com: >> >>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in >>>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>> >>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>> >>>>>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>> >>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> >>>>>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>>>>>Bernard. >>>>>> >>>>>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP >>>>>>Home? In your >>>>>> >>>>>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-alwa >>>>>>ys - see.html >>>>>> >>>>>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say >>>>>>how. For Windows 9X you give more details. >>>>> >>>>> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The >>>>> Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-com >>>>> pu te r.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-comp >>>>> ut er .html >>>>> >>>>> After you change either browser service, you need to restart both >>>>> computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you know when >>>>> both computers are offline. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master >>>>browser with Services. >>>> >>>>Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In Services >>>>set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> >>>> >>>>Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. >>>> >>>>Not what I expected. >>>> >>>>Ken >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches >>> shouldn't matter. But what settings do you have for IsDomainMaster >>> and MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure that both are set to >>> "Yes". >> >>Ok. Done. They were both Auto (these are in the registry, right?). >>Browstat status stayed the same. >>> >>> And make sure that the browser service is actually running on >>> Kenneth. >>> Any errors in the Event Log? >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-deta >>> il s.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-detai >>> ls .html >>> >>I'll DL and print this and and study it tonight. >> >>> Your original logs: >>> >>> Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>> >>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> Browsing is active on domain. >>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>> \\BERNARD >>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> >>> Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>> >>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> >>> If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, >>> then you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal >>> firewall, >> >>I tried turning off the firewalls. Bernard Netwark Places stayed the >>same, showing only Bernard's icons. However, Kenneth changed >>radically. Now I see no drive or other icons from either machine. If I >>click on Folders, then Entire network and then on Mshome icon I still >>get no icons from either machine. >> >>Turned the firewalls back on. No change. >> >>> or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eit >>> he r-help.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eith >>> er -help.html >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-laye >>> r- in.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer >>> -i n.html >>> >>I'll DL these and print them and study them tonight. I'll report back >>tomorrow. >> >>BTW, the master browser settings - Automatic for Kenneth and Stopped >>and Disabled from Bernard - were made in the 'Computer Browser' entry >>in the Services list. Correct? > > Ken, > > In order to prevent the problems, stopping the service on some > computers, as you did, is the proper procedure. That does require the > proper registry settings on the master browser, though, so I > recommended that you correct those settings on Kenneth. I have 'Computer Browser' in Services list set to Automatic. IsDomainMaster in the registry is set to Yes MaintainServerList in the registry is set to Yes What others are there? > The problem is that there are dozens of settings, services, and I'll read this again this evening, together with the Event Viewer, > miscellaneous tweaks that you have to get right, all in proper order, > for Windows Networking to operate properly. And you need to know what > they are, don't just drop a whole cookbook of solutions in at once. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutoria > l.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial > .html > Firewall, and Winsock stuff I DLed earlier. I also printed out the System Event List to peruse, the other two didn't look like they had any applicable entries. Neither did the firewall's event list. Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:21:30 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in Ken,>news:7eiul2pidf18ess5pvluvbcgsased65190@4ax.com: > >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:39:18 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:79rrl21s5o8gmhoka55jojvcr4lo838057@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto in >>>>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>>>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>>>>>>Bernard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in XP >>>>>>>Home? In your >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-alwa >>>>>>>ys - see.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say >>>>>>>how. For Windows 9X you give more details. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The >>>>>> Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-com >>>>>> pu te r.html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-comp >>>>>> ut er .html >>>>>> >>>>>> After you change either browser service, you need to restart both >>>>>> computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you know when >>>>>> both computers are offline. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master >>>>>browser with Services. >>>>> >>>>>Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In Services >>>>>set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>>Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. >>>>> >>>>>Not what I expected. >>>>> >>>>>Ken >>>> >>>> Ken, >>>> >>>> With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches >>>> shouldn't matter. But what settings do you have for IsDomainMaster >>>> and MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure that both are set to >>>> "Yes". >>> >>>Ok. Done. They were both Auto (these are in the registry, right?). >>>Browstat status stayed the same. >>>> >>>> And make sure that the browser service is actually running on >>>> Kenneth. >>>> Any errors in the Event Log? >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-deta >>>> il s.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-detai >>>> ls .html >>>> >>>I'll DL and print this and and study it tonight. >>> >>>> Your original logs: >>>> >>>> Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>>> >>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>> \\BERNARD >>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> >>>> Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>>> >>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> >>>> If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, >>>> then you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal >>>> firewall, >>> >>>I tried turning off the firewalls. Bernard Netwark Places stayed the >>>same, showing only Bernard's icons. However, Kenneth changed >>>radically. Now I see no drive or other icons from either machine. If I >>>click on Folders, then Entire network and then on Mshome icon I still >>>get no icons from either machine. >>> >>>Turned the firewalls back on. No change. >>> >>>> or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eit >>>> he r-help.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eith >>>> er -help.html >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-laye >>>> r- in.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer >>>> -i n.html >>>> >>>I'll DL these and print them and study them tonight. I'll report back >>>tomorrow. >>> >>>BTW, the master browser settings - Automatic for Kenneth and Stopped >>>and Disabled from Bernard - were made in the 'Computer Browser' entry >>>in the Services list. Correct? >> >> Ken, >> >> In order to prevent the problems, stopping the service on some >> computers, as you did, is the proper procedure. That does require the >> proper registry settings on the master browser, though, so I >> recommended that you correct those settings on Kenneth. > >In Kenneth: > >I have 'Computer Browser' in Services list set to Automatic. >IsDomainMaster in the registry is set to Yes >MaintainServerList in the registry is set to Yes >What others are there? > >> The problem is that there are dozens of settings, services, and >> miscellaneous tweaks that you have to get right, all in proper order, >> for Windows Networking to operate properly. And you need to know what >> they are, don't just drop a whole cookbook of solutions in at once. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutoria >> l.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial >> .html >> >I'll read this again this evening, together with the Event Viewer, >Firewall, and Winsock stuff I DLed earlier. I also printed out the System >Event List to peruse, the other two didn't look like they had any >applicable entries. Neither did the firewall's event list. When you ask >What others are there? I'll presume that you mean browser settings specifically. In that case, that'sall that I can think of, right now. There are other settings, and protocols, that can cause problems that browstat will diagnose. And the various problems can mimic each other. Look at "access denied" for instance. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html But let's take it one step at a time, right now. So enjoy the reading. ;-) -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:j3lul210e8ubqpsik37mee3lacoipvg8uu@4ax.com: Good news, mostly...> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:21:30 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:7eiul2pidf18ess5pvluvbcgsased65190@4ax.com: >> >>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:39:18 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>news:79rrl21s5o8gmhoka55jojvcr4lo838057@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto >>>>>>>>in registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>>>>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>>>>>>>Bernard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in >>>>>>>>XP Home? In your >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-al >>>>>>>>wa ys - see.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say >>>>>>>>how. For Windows 9X you give more details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The >>>>>>> Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-c >>>>>>> om pu te r.html> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-co >>>>>>> mp ut er .html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After you change either browser service, you need to restart >>>>>>> both computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you >>>>>>> know when both computers are offline. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master >>>>>>browser with Services. >>>>>> >>>>>>Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>>>Services set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status >>>>>> >>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>>>Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status >>>>>> >>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. >>>>>> >>>>>>Not what I expected. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ken >>>>> >>>>> Ken, >>>>> >>>>> With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches >>>>> shouldn't matter. But what settings do you have for IsDomainMaster >>>>> and MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure that both are set to >>>>> "Yes". >>>> >>>>Ok. Done. They were both Auto (these are in the registry, right?). >>>>Browstat status stayed the same. >>>>> >>>>> And make sure that the browser service is actually running on >>>>> Kenneth. >>>>> Any errors in the Event Log? >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-de >>>>> ta il s.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-det >>>>> ai ls .html >>>>> >>>>I'll DL and print this and and study it tonight. >>>> >>>>> Your original logs: >>>>> >>>>> Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>>>> >>>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> >>>>> Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>>>> >>>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> >>>>> If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, >>>>> then you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal >>>>> firewall, >>>> >>>>I tried turning off the firewalls. Bernard Netwark Places stayed the >>>>same, showing only Bernard's icons. However, Kenneth changed >>>>radically. Now I see no drive or other icons from either machine. If >>>>I click on Folders, then Entire network and then on Mshome icon I >>>>still get no icons from either machine. >>>> >>>>Turned the firewalls back on. No change. >>>> >>>>> or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-e >>>>> it he r-help.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-ei >>>>> th er -help.html >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-la >>>>> ye r- in.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-lay >>>>> er -i n.html >>>>> >>>>I'll DL these and print them and study them tonight. I'll report >>>>back tomorrow. >>>> >>>>BTW, the master browser settings - Automatic for Kenneth and Stopped >>>>and Disabled from Bernard - were made in the 'Computer Browser' >>>>entry in the Services list. Correct? >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> In order to prevent the problems, stopping the service on some >>> computers, as you did, is the proper procedure. That does require >>> the proper registry settings on the master browser, though, so I >>> recommended that you correct those settings on Kenneth. >> >>In Kenneth: >> >>I have 'Computer Browser' in Services list set to Automatic. >>IsDomainMaster in the registry is set to Yes >>MaintainServerList in the registry is set to Yes >>What others are there? >> >>> The problem is that there are dozens of settings, services, and >>> miscellaneous tweaks that you have to get right, all in proper >>> order, for Windows Networking to operate properly. And you need to >>> know what they are, don't just drop a whole cookbook of solutions in >>> at once. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutor >>> ia l.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutori >>> al .html >>> >>I'll read this again this evening, together with the Event Viewer, >>Firewall, and Winsock stuff I DLed earlier. I also printed out the >>System Event List to peruse, the other two didn't look like they had >>any applicable entries. Neither did the firewall's event list. > > Ken, > > When you ask >>What others are there? > I'll presume that you mean browser settings specifically. In that > case, that's all that I can think of, right now. There are other > settings, and protocols, that can cause problems that browstat will > diagnose. And the various problems can mimic each other. > > Look at "access denied" for instance. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-de > nied.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-den > ied.html > > But let's take it one step at a time, right now. > > So enjoy the reading. ;-) > I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on for an hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after going off-line) for about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls back on. Now I can see both computers' icons on both machines. I seem to be able (I probably didn't try _every_ drive) to see the folders on the other computer's drives. But Bernard can't see the _contents_ of the folders on Kenneth's drive C (can see the folders that open when I first double-click on the drive icon, but not the contents of those folders.), nor Kenneth's shared documents. However, it can see Kenneth's other two drives and folder contents ok. Kenneth seems to be able to see everything on Bernard ok, including C and Shared Documents. Drive C and Shared Documents on Kenneth are set to share in the drive's properties the same as the two visible drives. So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but had purchased a new one for troubleshooting. Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared Documents)? Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And marvelous web site. Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:24:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in Ken,>news:j3lul210e8ubqpsik37mee3lacoipvg8uu@4ax.com: > >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:21:30 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:7eiul2pidf18ess5pvluvbcgsased65190@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:39:18 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>news:79rrl21s5o8gmhoka55jojvcr4lo838057@4ax.com: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto >>>>>>>>>in registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No in >>>>>>>>>registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, not >>>>>>>>>Bernard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in >>>>>>>>>XP Home? In your >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-al >>>>>>>>>wa ys - see.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say >>>>>>>>>how. For Windows 9X you give more details. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. The >>>>>>>> Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-c >>>>>>>> om pu te r.html> >>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-co >>>>>>>> mp ut er .html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After you change either browser service, you need to restart >>>>>>>> both computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you >>>>>>>> know when both computers are offline. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master >>>>>>>browser with Services. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>>>>Services set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>>>>Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not what I expected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ken >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken, >>>>>> >>>>>> With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches >>>>>> shouldn't matter. But what settings do you have for IsDomainMaster >>>>>> and MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure that both are set to >>>>>> "Yes". >>>>> >>>>>Ok. Done. They were both Auto (these are in the registry, right?). >>>>>Browstat status stayed the same. >>>>>> >>>>>> And make sure that the browser service is actually running on >>>>>> Kenneth. >>>>>> Any errors in the Event Log? >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-de >>>>>> ta il s.html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-det >>>>>> ai ls .html >>>>>> >>>>>I'll DL and print this and and study it tonight. >>>>> >>>>>> Your original logs: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>>>>> >>>>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, >>>>>> then you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal >>>>>> firewall, >>>>> >>>>>I tried turning off the firewalls. Bernard Netwark Places stayed the >>>>>same, showing only Bernard's icons. However, Kenneth changed >>>>>radically. Now I see no drive or other icons from either machine. If >>>>>I click on Folders, then Entire network and then on Mshome icon I >>>>>still get no icons from either machine. >>>>> >>>>>Turned the firewalls back on. No change. >>>>> >>>>>> or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-e >>>>>> it he r-help.html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-ei >>>>>> th er -help.html >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-la >>>>>> ye r- in.html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-lay >>>>>> er -i n.html >>>>>> >>>>>I'll DL these and print them and study them tonight. I'll report >>>>>back tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>>BTW, the master browser settings - Automatic for Kenneth and Stopped >>>>>and Disabled from Bernard - were made in the 'Computer Browser' >>>>>entry in the Services list. Correct? >>>> >>>> Ken, >>>> >>>> In order to prevent the problems, stopping the service on some >>>> computers, as you did, is the proper procedure. That does require >>>> the proper registry settings on the master browser, though, so I >>>> recommended that you correct those settings on Kenneth. >>> >>>In Kenneth: >>> >>>I have 'Computer Browser' in Services list set to Automatic. >>>IsDomainMaster in the registry is set to Yes >>>MaintainServerList in the registry is set to Yes >>>What others are there? >>> >>>> The problem is that there are dozens of settings, services, and >>>> miscellaneous tweaks that you have to get right, all in proper >>>> order, for Windows Networking to operate properly. And you need to >>>> know what they are, don't just drop a whole cookbook of solutions in >>>> at once. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutor >>>> ia l.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutori >>>> al .html >>>> >>>I'll read this again this evening, together with the Event Viewer, >>>Firewall, and Winsock stuff I DLed earlier. I also printed out the >>>System Event List to peruse, the other two didn't look like they had >>>any applicable entries. Neither did the firewall's event list. >> >> Ken, >> >> When you ask >>>What others are there? >> I'll presume that you mean browser settings specifically. In that >> case, that's all that I can think of, right now. There are other >> settings, and protocols, that can cause problems that browstat will >> diagnose. And the various problems can mimic each other. >> >> Look at "access denied" for instance. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-de >> nied.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-den >> ied.html >> >> But let's take it one step at a time, right now. >> >> So enjoy the reading. ;-) >> > >Good news, mostly... > >I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on for an >hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after going off-line) for >about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls back on. Now I can see both >computers' icons on both machines. I seem to be able (I probably didn't try >_every_ drive) to see the folders on the other computer's drives. But >Bernard can't see the _contents_ of the folders on Kenneth's drive C (can >see the folders that open when I first double-click on the drive icon, but >not the contents of those folders.), nor Kenneth's shared documents. >However, it can see Kenneth's other two drives and folder contents ok. >Kenneth seems to be able to see everything on Bernard ok, including C and >Shared Documents. Drive C and Shared Documents on Kenneth are set to share >in the drive's properties the same as the two visible drives. > >So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but had >purchased a new one for troubleshooting. > >Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared Documents)? > >Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And marvelous web >site. > >Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. > >Ken Hardware could indeed be the originating problem. But if you have problems seeing one share, and not another, you may still have problems. At any rate, make sure that you run "browstat status" on both computers, and that you see a clean set of browstat logs, before you continue. Both computers should see each other, and there should be only one master browser. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html Then we'll get into file sharing issues, if necessary. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:jl01m298rb9ir89a6v2e4r0e7mpvqtrg3h@4ax.com: Browstat Kenneth> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:24:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:j3lul210e8ubqpsik37mee3lacoipvg8uu@4ax.com: >> >>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:21:30 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>news:7eiul2pidf18ess5pvluvbcgsased65190@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:39:18 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>news:79rrl21s5o8gmhoka55jojvcr4lo838057@4ax.com: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:02:00 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>news:tmmpl21fiar7fqpcef0rs68ath09p8gbv9@4ax.com: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:50:37 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Kenneth, Browstat status, XP Home, IsDomain Master set to Auto >>>>>>>>>>in registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Bernard, Browstat status, XP Home. IsDomain Master set to No >>>>>>>>>>in registry as described yesterday above. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>This makes no sense to me. Kenneth should be master browser, >>>>>>>>>>not Bernard. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I repeat, is there some other way to set the master browser in >>>>>>>>>>XP Home? In your >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i- >>>>>>>>>>al wa ys - see.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>you say to "Set the computer Browser service..." but don't say >>>>>>>>>>how. For Windows 9X you give more details. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Services article, linked, is supposed to explain that. >>>>>>>>> The Services wizard is available on both XP Home and Pro. >>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your >>>>>>>>> -c om pu te r.html> >>>>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your- >>>>>>>>> co mp ut er .html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After you change either browser service, you need to restart >>>>>>>>> both computers simultaneously. I recommend power off, so you >>>>>>>>> know when both computers are offline. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks. Thanks to you, finally figured out how to set the master >>>>>>>>browser with Services. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Kenneth, machine intended to be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>>>>>Services set to Automatic. Output of Browstat status >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bernard, machine intended to not be master browser, XP Home, In >>>>>>>>Services set to Stopped, Disabled. Output of Browstat status >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>>> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Not what I expected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Ken >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With the browser service turned off on Bernard, the switches >>>>>>> shouldn't matter. But what settings do you have for >>>>>>> IsDomainMaster and MaintainServerList on Kenneth? Make sure >>>>>>> that both are set to "Yes". >>>>>> >>>>>>Ok. Done. They were both Auto (these are in the registry, right?). >>>>>>Browstat status stayed the same. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And make sure that the browser service is actually running on >>>>>>> Kenneth. >>>>>>> Any errors in the Event Log? >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get- >>>>>>> de ta il s.html> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/using-event-viewer-to-get-d >>>>>>> et ai ls .html >>>>>>> >>>>>>I'll DL and print this and and study it tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your original logs: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bernard XP Home, no SP Master Browser set to Auto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>>>> Master browser name is: BERNARD >>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master BERNARD >>>>>>> \\BERNARD >>>>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>>> {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenneth XP Home, SP1, Master Browser set to Yes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>>>> Browsing is NOT active on domain. >>>>>>> Master browser name is held by: KENNETH >>>>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you can get the above only by running Bernard as the browser, >>>>>>> then you have at least a problem on Kenneth. Either a personal >>>>>>> firewall, >>>>>> >>>>>>I tried turning off the firewalls. Bernard Netwark Places stayed >>>>>>the same, showing only Bernard's icons. However, Kenneth changed >>>>>>radically. Now I see no drive or other icons from either machine. >>>>>>If I click on Folders, then Entire network and then on Mshome icon >>>>>>I still get no icons from either machine. >>>>>> >>>>>>Turned the firewalls back on. No change. >>>>>> >>>>>>> or LSP / Winsock corruption, is where you have to start. >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can >>>>>>> -e it he r-help.html> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can- >>>>>>> ei th er -help.html >>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock- >>>>>>> la ye r- in.html> >>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-l >>>>>>> ay er -i n.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>I'll DL these and print them and study them tonight. I'll report >>>>>>back tomorrow. >>>>>> >>>>>>BTW, the master browser settings - Automatic for Kenneth and >>>>>>Stopped and Disabled from Bernard - were made in the 'Computer >>>>>>Browser' entry in the Services list. Correct? >>>>> >>>>> Ken, >>>>> >>>>> In order to prevent the problems, stopping the service on some >>>>> computers, as you did, is the proper procedure. That does require >>>>> the proper registry settings on the master browser, though, so I >>>>> recommended that you correct those settings on Kenneth. >>>> >>>>In Kenneth: >>>> >>>>I have 'Computer Browser' in Services list set to Automatic. >>>>IsDomainMaster in the registry is set to Yes >>>>MaintainServerList in the registry is set to Yes >>>>What others are there? >>>> >>>>> The problem is that there are dozens of settings, services, and >>>>> miscellaneous tweaks that you have to get right, all in proper >>>>> order, for Windows Networking to operate properly. And you need >>>>> to know what they are, don't just drop a whole cookbook of >>>>> solutions in at once. >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tut >>>>> or ia l.html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tuto >>>>> ri al .html >>>>> >>>>I'll read this again this evening, together with the Event Viewer, >>>>Firewall, and Winsock stuff I DLed earlier. I also printed out the >>>>System Event List to peruse, the other two didn't look like they had >>>>any applicable entries. Neither did the firewall's event list. >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> When you ask >>>>What others are there? >>> I'll presume that you mean browser settings specifically. In that >>> case, that's all that I can think of, right now. There are other >>> settings, and protocols, that can cause problems that browstat will >>> diagnose. And the various problems can mimic each other. >>> >>> Look at "access denied" for instance. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access- >>> de nied.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-d >>> en ied.html >>> >>> But let's take it one step at a time, right now. >>> >>> So enjoy the reading. ;-) >>> >> >>Good news, mostly... >> >>I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on for an >>hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after going >>off-line) for about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls back on. Now >>I can see both computers' icons on both machines. I seem to be able (I >>probably didn't try _every_ drive) to see the folders on the other >>computer's drives. But Bernard can't see the _contents_ of the folders >>on Kenneth's drive C (can see the folders that open when I first >>double-click on the drive icon, but not the contents of those >>folders.), nor Kenneth's shared documents. However, it can see >>Kenneth's other two drives and folder contents ok. Kenneth seems to be >>able to see everything on Bernard ok, including C and Shared >>Documents. Drive C and Shared Documents on Kenneth are set to share >>in the drive's properties the same as the two visible drives. >> >>So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but had >>purchased a new one for troubleshooting. >> >>Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared >>Documents)? >> >>Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And marvelous >>web site. >> >>Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. >> >>Ken > > Ken, > > Hardware could indeed be the originating problem. But if you have > problems seeing one share, and not another, you may still have > problems. > > At any rate, make sure that you run "browstat status" on both > computers, and that you see a clean set of browstat logs, before you > continue. Both computers should see each other, and there should be > only one master browser. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft. > html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.h > tml > > Then we'll get into file sharing issues, if necessary. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.ht > ml> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.htm > l > Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} Browsing is active on domain. Master browser name is: KENNETH Master browser is running build 2600 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH \\KENNETH There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} Browstat Bernard Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} Browsing is active on domain. Master browser name is: KENNETH Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build of browser master: 53 \\\\KENNETH . Version:05.01 Flags: 41203 NT MASTER 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH \\KENNETH There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ {363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} I see I still have a problem with Bernard. I did these tests while the LAN was operating normally and was not showing the firewall problem described next. This may be out of your area of expertise, but I noted a firewall problem after I posted earlier. I think. I use Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A. It seems to be intermittently interferring with my LAN operation. Sometimes Bernard's drives are not accessable from Kenneth, but Kenneth's are from Bernard. But if I turn the firewalls (all computers use TPF) off for a minute or two, then back on, access resumes normally. The IPs are in the trusted lists as they should be. I can't find documentation for this firewall with Google, or a mention of this problem. Maybe a different firewall? This is getting frustrating! Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:42:06 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in <SNIP>>news:jl01m298rb9ir89a6v2e4r0e7mpvqtrg3h@4ax.com: > >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:24:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >>>I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on for an Ken,>>>hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after going >>>off-line) for about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls back on. Now >>>I can see both computers' icons on both machines. I seem to be able (I >>>probably didn't try _every_ drive) to see the folders on the other >>>computer's drives. But Bernard can't see the _contents_ of the folders >>>on Kenneth's drive C (can see the folders that open when I first >>>double-click on the drive icon, but not the contents of those >>>folders.), nor Kenneth's shared documents. However, it can see >>>Kenneth's other two drives and folder contents ok. Kenneth seems to be >>>able to see everything on Bernard ok, including C and Shared >>>Documents. Drive C and Shared Documents on Kenneth are set to share >>>in the drive's properties the same as the two visible drives. >>> >>>So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but had >>>purchased a new one for troubleshooting. >>> >>>Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared >>>Documents)? >>> >>>Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And marvelous >>>web site. >>> >>>Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. >>> >>>Ken >> >> Ken, >> >> Hardware could indeed be the originating problem. But if you have >> problems seeing one share, and not another, you may still have >> problems. >> >> At any rate, make sure that you run "browstat status" on both >> computers, and that you see a clean set of browstat logs, before you >> continue. Both computers should see each other, and there should be >> only one master browser. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft. >> html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.h >> tml >> >> Then we'll get into file sharing issues, if necessary. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.ht >> ml> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.htm >> l >> > >Browstat Kenneth > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- >44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} > Browsing is active on domain. > Master browser name is: KENNETH > Master browser is running build 2600 > 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH > \\KENNETH > There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} > There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} > >Browstat Bernard > >Status for domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- >4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > Browsing is active on domain. > Master browser name is: KENNETH >Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build >of browser master: 53 > \\\\KENNETH . Version:05.01 Flags: 41203 NT MASTER > 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH > \\KENNETH > There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} > >I see I still have a problem with Bernard. I did these tests while the LAN >was operating normally and was not showing the firewall problem described >next. > >This may be out of your area of expertise, but I noted a firewall problem >after I posted earlier. I think. > >I use Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A. It seems to be intermittently >interferring with my LAN operation. Sometimes Bernard's drives are not >accessable from Kenneth, but Kenneth's are from Bernard. But if I turn the >firewalls (all computers use TPF) off for a minute or two, then back on, >access resumes normally. The IPs are in the trusted lists as they should >be. I can't find documentation for this firewall with Google, or a mention >of this problem. > >Maybe a different firewall? > >This is getting frustrating! Network work can be frustrating. You gotta take it a layer at a time, though, with the proper diagnostics. This is normal, with XP Home >Could not connect to registry, error = 53 This is not> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME Since you say above that NetBT is explicitly Enabled on both computers, thatleaves us with a personal firewall as the primary problem (or maybe LSP / Winsock corruption). 1) Check your LSP / Winsock. Be persistent here. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html 2) Check the Tiny documentation carefully, for antiworm protection. This is a trendy feature in firewalls now, and you have to look carefully. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html 3) Un install TPF carefully, following instructions from the vendor. Be very diligent here. Then repeat step 1. But you have a major problem. With XP SP0 on one computer, and SP1 on the other, you are a security problem in the making. And without SP2, you have 2 major disadvantages: 1) You cannot get Windows Firewall. 2) You cannot apply security updates. Sooner or later, your inability to apply security updates will become a major problem. I urge you to find a solution NOW, before that happens. Take the computers to a professional shop, if necessary. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:69k1m2dibqjdo599laar38c85maucnbl2o@4ax.com: I have another firewall coming. A friend put a copy of Sygate Personal > On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:42:06 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:jl01m298rb9ir89a6v2e4r0e7mpvqtrg3h@4ax.com: >> >>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:24:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: > > <SNIP> > >>>>I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on for >>>>an hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after going >>>>off-line) for about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls back on. >>>>Now I can see both computers' icons on both machines. I seem to be >>>>able (I probably didn't try _every_ drive) to see the folders on the >>>>other computer's drives. But Bernard can't see the _contents_ of the >>>>folders on Kenneth's drive C (can see the folders that open when I >>>>first double-click on the drive icon, but not the contents of those >>>>folders.), nor Kenneth's shared documents. However, it can see >>>>Kenneth's other two drives and folder contents ok. Kenneth seems to >>>>be able to see everything on Bernard ok, including C and Shared >>>>Documents. Drive C and Shared Documents on Kenneth are set to share >>>>in the drive's properties the same as the two visible drives. >>>> >>>>So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but >>>>had purchased a new one for troubleshooting. >>>> >>>>Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared >>>>Documents)? >>>> >>>>Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And marvelous >>>>web site. >>>> >>>>Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. >>>> >>>>Ken >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> Hardware could indeed be the originating problem. But if you have >>> problems seeing one share, and not another, you may still have >>> problems. >>> >>> At any rate, make sure that you run "browstat status" on both >>> computers, and that you see a clean set of browstat logs, before you >>> continue. Both computers should see each other, and there should be >>> only one master browser. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsof >>> t. html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft >>> .h tml >>> >>> Then we'll get into file sharing issues, if necessary. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp. >>> ht ml> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.h >>> tm l >>> >> >>Browstat Kenneth >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >> Browsing is active on domain. >> Master browser name is: KENNETH >> Master browser is running build 2600 >> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >> \\KENNETH >> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >> >>Browstat Bernard >> >>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> Browsing is active on domain. >> Master browser name is: KENNETH >>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine >>build of browser master: 53 >> \\\\KENNETH . Version:05.01 Flags: 41203 NT MASTER >> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >> \\KENNETH >> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >> >>I see I still have a problem with Bernard. I did these tests while the >>LAN was operating normally and was not showing the firewall problem >>described next. >> >>This may be out of your area of expertise, but I noted a firewall >>problem after I posted earlier. I think. >> >>I use Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A. It seems to be intermittently >>interferring with my LAN operation. Sometimes Bernard's drives are not >>accessable from Kenneth, but Kenneth's are from Bernard. But if I turn >>the firewalls (all computers use TPF) off for a minute or two, then >>back on, access resumes normally. The IPs are in the trusted lists as >>they should be. I can't find documentation for this firewall with >>Google, or a mention of this problem. >> >>Maybe a different firewall? >> >>This is getting frustrating! > > Ken, > > Network work can be frustrating. You gotta take it a layer at a time, > though, with the proper diagnostics. > > This is normal, with XP Home >>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 > > This is not >> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME > > Since you say above that NetBT is explicitly Enabled on both > computers, that leaves us with a personal firewall as the primary > problem Firewall on CD in the mail for me today. My dial-up connection is too slow and unreliable for a 9M DL. > (or maybe LSP / Winsock corruption). I'll read it again but it looks _very_ difficult. I may have to settle > 1) Check your LSP / Winsock. Be persistent here. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer- > in.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-i > n.html for Kenneth's C folder contents being unavailable from Bernard. I'm not sure they were before I crashed Kenneth and lost the network. Once I replace the firewall I hope everything else continues to work. Show quoteHide quote > 2) Check the Tiny documentation carefully, for antiworm I got a CD copy of SP2 from MS, but upon researching its installation I > protection. This is a trendy feature in firewalls now, and you have > to look carefully. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eithe > r-help.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either > -help.html 3) Un install TPF carefully, following instructions from > the vendor. Be very diligent here. Then repeat step 1. > > But you have a major problem. With XP SP0 on one computer, and SP1 on > the other, you are a security problem in the making. And without SP2, > you have 2 major disadvantages: > 1) You cannot get Windows Firewall. > 2) You cannot apply security updates. > > Sooner or later, your inability to apply security updates will become > a major problem. I urge you to find a solution NOW, before that > happens. Take the computers to a professional shop, if necessary. > read that I must bring all patches up to date before installing it. As I mentioned above, my slow erratic dial-up precludes doing this. So I have not bothered to buy a copy of SP1 (if it's available) from MS for the other machine. So lack of security patches is nothing new. I have not DLed any. So far, so good. I use IE as seldom as possible, only when Firefox won't do what I need and stay away from MS email and news aps. And all other MS software possible. With a firewall and running Ad-Aware every few days, and holding my breath, I hope for the best. One can only do what is possible. If worse comes to worse I'll get a Mac for on-line usage. Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:43:38 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in Most firewalls install components into the LSP / Winsock stack. Lots of malware>news:69k1m2dibqjdo599laar38c85maucnbl2o@4ax.com: > >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:42:06 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:jl01m298rb9ir89a6v2e4r0e7mpvqtrg3h@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:24:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >> >> <SNIP> >> >>>>>I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on for >>>>>an hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after going >>>>>off-line) for about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls back on. >>>>>Now I can see both computers' icons on both machines. I seem to be >>>>>able (I probably didn't try _every_ drive) to see the folders on the >>>>>other computer's drives. But Bernard can't see the _contents_ of the >>>>>folders on Kenneth's drive C (can see the folders that open when I >>>>>first double-click on the drive icon, but not the contents of those >>>>>folders.), nor Kenneth's shared documents. However, it can see >>>>>Kenneth's other two drives and folder contents ok. Kenneth seems to >>>>>be able to see everything on Bernard ok, including C and Shared >>>>>Documents. Drive C and Shared Documents on Kenneth are set to share >>>>>in the drive's properties the same as the two visible drives. >>>>> >>>>>So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but >>>>>had purchased a new one for troubleshooting. >>>>> >>>>>Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared >>>>>Documents)? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And marvelous >>>>>web site. >>>>> >>>>>Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. >>>>> >>>>>Ken >>>> >>>> Ken, >>>> >>>> Hardware could indeed be the originating problem. But if you have >>>> problems seeing one share, and not another, you may still have >>>> problems. >>>> >>>> At any rate, make sure that you run "browstat status" on both >>>> computers, and that you see a clean set of browstat logs, before you >>>> continue. Both computers should see each other, and there should be >>>> only one master browser. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsof >>>> t. html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft >>>> .h tml >>>> >>>> Then we'll get into file sharing issues, if necessary. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp. >>>> ht ml> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.h >>>> tm l >>>> >>> >>>Browstat Kenneth >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>> Browsing is active on domain. >>> Master browser name is: KENNETH >>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >>> \\KENNETH >>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>> >>>Browstat Bernard >>> >>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> Browsing is active on domain. >>> Master browser name is: KENNETH >>>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine >>>build of browser master: 53 >>> \\\\KENNETH . Version:05.01 Flags: 41203 NT MASTER >>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >>> \\KENNETH >>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>> >>>I see I still have a problem with Bernard. I did these tests while the >>>LAN was operating normally and was not showing the firewall problem >>>described next. >>> >>>This may be out of your area of expertise, but I noted a firewall >>>problem after I posted earlier. I think. >>> >>>I use Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A. It seems to be intermittently >>>interferring with my LAN operation. Sometimes Bernard's drives are not >>>accessable from Kenneth, but Kenneth's are from Bernard. But if I turn >>>the firewalls (all computers use TPF) off for a minute or two, then >>>back on, access resumes normally. The IPs are in the trusted lists as >>>they should be. I can't find documentation for this firewall with >>>Google, or a mention of this problem. >>> >>>Maybe a different firewall? >>> >>>This is getting frustrating! >> >> Ken, >> >> Network work can be frustrating. You gotta take it a layer at a time, >> though, with the proper diagnostics. >> >> This is normal, with XP Home >>>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 >> >> This is not >>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME >> >> Since you say above that NetBT is explicitly Enabled on both >> computers, that leaves us with a personal firewall as the primary >> problem > >I have another firewall coming. A friend put a copy of Sygate Personal >Firewall on CD in the mail for me today. My dial-up connection is too >slow and unreliable for a 9M DL. > >> (or maybe LSP / Winsock corruption). >> 1) Check your LSP / Winsock. Be persistent here. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer- >> in.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-i >> n.html > >I'll read it again but it looks _very_ difficult. I may have to settle >for Kenneth's C folder contents being unavailable from Bernard. I'm not >sure they were before I crashed Kenneth and lost the network. Once I >replace the firewall I hope everything else continues to work. > >> 2) Check the Tiny documentation carefully, for antiworm >> protection. This is a trendy feature in firewalls now, and you have >> to look carefully. >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eithe >> r-help.html> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either >> -help.html 3) Un install TPF carefully, following instructions from >> the vendor. Be very diligent here. Then repeat step 1. >> >> But you have a major problem. With XP SP0 on one computer, and SP1 on >> the other, you are a security problem in the making. And without SP2, >> you have 2 major disadvantages: >> 1) You cannot get Windows Firewall. >> 2) You cannot apply security updates. >> >> Sooner or later, your inability to apply security updates will become >> a major problem. I urge you to find a solution NOW, before that >> happens. Take the computers to a professional shop, if necessary. >> >I got a CD copy of SP2 from MS, but upon researching its installation I >read that I must bring all patches up to date before installing it. As I >mentioned above, my slow erratic dial-up precludes doing this. So I have >not bothered to buy a copy of SP1 (if it's available) from MS for the >other machine. > >So lack of security patches is nothing new. I have not DLed any. So far, >so good. I use IE as seldom as possible, only when Firefox won't do what >I need and stay away from MS email and news aps. And all other MS >software possible. With a firewall and running Ad-Aware every few days, >and holding my breath, I hope for the best. One can only do what is >possible. If worse comes to worse I'll get a Mac for on-line usage. does the same. If you have a problem with either, the stack gets corrupted, and you lose network functionality. Installing another firewall may or may not help. If it does, fine. We'll try to help you, but you have to help us to help you. Take the instructions one step at a time. If you have an installable copy of XP SP2, it should install fine as is. I don't know why you should have instructions about bringing all patches up to date before installing. You will, however, have a few to install afterwards, as SP2 has been out for a while. And contrary to a lot of advertising, Macs have security problems too. To say nothing of the challenge of running them on a LAN with Windows. But if you see that as a solution, then go for it. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in
Show quoteHide quote news:8fr3m299k2gel2jg80rm4lqt85k6lff481@4ax.com: Could this be causing the lack of visibility of the folder contents on > On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:43:38 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> > wrote: > >>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>news:69k1m2dibqjdo599laar38c85maucnbl2o@4ax.com: >> >>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:42:06 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>news:jl01m298rb9ir89a6v2e4r0e7mpvqtrg3h@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:24:37 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>> >>> <SNIP> >>> >>>>>>I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on >>>>>>for an hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after >>>>>>going off-line) for about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls >>>>>>back on. Now I can see both computers' icons on both machines. I >>>>>>seem to be able (I probably didn't try _every_ drive) to see the >>>>>>folders on the other computer's drives. But Bernard can't see the >>>>>>_contents_ of the folders on Kenneth's drive C (can see the >>>>>>folders that open when I first double-click on the drive icon, but >>>>>>not the contents of those folders.), nor Kenneth's shared >>>>>>documents. However, it can see Kenneth's other two drives and >>>>>>folder contents ok. Kenneth seems to be able to see everything on >>>>>>Bernard ok, including C and Shared Documents. Drive C and Shared >>>>>>Documents on Kenneth are set to share in the drive's properties >>>>>>the same as the two visible drives. >>>>>> >>>>>>So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but >>>>>>had purchased a new one for troubleshooting. >>>>>> >>>>>>Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared >>>>>>Documents)? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And >>>>>>marvelous web site. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ken >>>>> >>>>> Ken, >>>>> >>>>> Hardware could indeed be the originating problem. But if you have >>>>> problems seeing one share, and not another, you may still have >>>>> problems. >>>>> >>>>> At any rate, make sure that you run "browstat status" on both >>>>> computers, and that you see a clean set of browstat logs, before >>>>> you continue. Both computers should see each other, and there >>>>> should be only one master browser. >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-micros >>>>> of t. html> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microso >>>>> ft .h tml >>>>> >>>>> Then we'll get into file sharing issues, if necessary. >>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-x >>>>> p. ht ml> >>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp >>>>> .h tm l >>>>> >>>> >>>>Browstat Kenneth >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is: KENNETH >>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >>>> \\KENNETH >>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>> >>>>Browstat Bernard >>>> >>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>> Master browser name is: KENNETH >>>>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine >>>>build of browser master: 53 >>>> \\\\KENNETH . Version:05.01 Flags: 41203 NT MASTER >>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >>>> \\KENNETH >>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>> >>>>I see I still have a problem with Bernard. I did these tests while >>>>the LAN was operating normally and was not showing the firewall >>>>problem described next. >>>> >>>>This may be out of your area of expertise, but I noted a firewall >>>>problem after I posted earlier. I think. >>>> >>>>I use Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A. It seems to be intermittently >>>>interferring with my LAN operation. Sometimes Bernard's drives are >>>>not accessable from Kenneth, but Kenneth's are from Bernard. But if >>>>I turn the firewalls (all computers use TPF) off for a minute or >>>>two, then back on, access resumes normally. The IPs are in the >>>>trusted lists as they should be. I can't find documentation for this >>>>firewall with Google, or a mention of this problem. >>>> >>>>Maybe a different firewall? >>>> >>>>This is getting frustrating! >>> >>> Ken, >>> >>> Network work can be frustrating. You gotta take it a layer at a >>> time, though, with the proper diagnostics. >>> >>> This is normal, with XP Home >>>>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 >>> >>> This is not >>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME >>> >>> Since you say above that NetBT is explicitly Enabled on both >>> computers, that leaves us with a personal firewall as the primary >>> problem >> >>I have another firewall coming. A friend put a copy of Sygate Personal >>Firewall on CD in the mail for me today. My dial-up connection is too >>slow and unreliable for a 9M DL. >> >>> (or maybe LSP / Winsock corruption). >>> 1) Check your LSP / Winsock. Be persistent here. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-laye >>> r- in.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer >>> -i n.html >> >>I'll read it again but it looks _very_ difficult. I may have to settle >>for Kenneth's C folder contents being unavailable from Bernard. I'm >>not sure they were before I crashed Kenneth and lost the network. Once >>I replace the firewall I hope everything else continues to work. >> >>> 2) Check the Tiny documentation carefully, for antiworm >>> protection. This is a trendy feature in firewalls now, and you have >>> to look carefully. >>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eit >>> he r-help.html> >>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eith >>> er -help.html 3) Un install TPF carefully, following instructions >>> from the vendor. Be very diligent here. Then repeat step 1. >>> >>> But you have a major problem. With XP SP0 on one computer, and SP1 >>> on the other, you are a security problem in the making. And without >>> SP2, you have 2 major disadvantages: >>> 1) You cannot get Windows Firewall. >>> 2) You cannot apply security updates. >>> >>> Sooner or later, your inability to apply security updates will >>> become a major problem. I urge you to find a solution NOW, before >>> that happens. Take the computers to a professional shop, if >>> necessary. >>> >>I got a CD copy of SP2 from MS, but upon researching its installation >>I read that I must bring all patches up to date before installing it. >>As I mentioned above, my slow erratic dial-up precludes doing this. So >>I have not bothered to buy a copy of SP1 (if it's available) from MS >>for the other machine. >> >>So lack of security patches is nothing new. I have not DLed any. So >>far, so good. I use IE as seldom as possible, only when Firefox won't >>do what I need and stay away from MS email and news aps. And all other >>MS software possible. With a firewall and running Ad-Aware every few >>days, and holding my breath, I hope for the best. One can only do what >>is possible. If worse comes to worse I'll get a Mac for on-line usage. > > Most firewalls install components into the LSP / Winsock stack. Lots > of malware does the same. If you have a problem with either, the > stack gets corrupted, and you lose network functionality. Kenneth's drive C. I read http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.h tm l and will look at it again this evening. > I'll find out later this week.> Installing another firewall may or may not help. If it does, fine. > We'll try to help you, but you have to help us to help you. Take the > instructions one step at a time. > Upon Googling, I found that SP1 is no longer available (on CD?) as of > If you have an installable copy of XP SP2, it should install fine as > is. I don't know why you should have instructions about bringing all > patches up to date before installing. You will, however, have a few > to install afterwards, as SP2 has been out for a while. 10/10 so I will not be able to update Bernard. I also found information that SP2 does not agree with eMachines - Kenneth is an eMachine. > Any other suggestions besides the Winsock work in your> And contrary to a lot of advertising, Macs have security problems too. > To say nothing of the challenge of running them on a LAN with > Windows. But if you see that as a solution, then go for it. > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer -i n.html for finding my Kenneth drice C folder visibility? I hesitate to mess with the registry and the other stuff that checking this requires. I'd prefer to try other things first. That seems to be my main LAN problem right now, and if necessary I can easily work around it by networking from Kenneth rather than Bernard. Thanks again. Please be patient with my stupidity and hesitation to mess with a mostly working-fine system. Ken -- Untie the two knots to email me Every silver lining has a cloud. On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:57:37 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote >Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in OK, Ken. I'll work with you, as long as you want.>news:8fr3m299k2gel2jg80rm4lqt85k6lff481@4ax.com: > >> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:43:38 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>news:69k1m2dibqjdo599laar38c85maucnbl2o@4ax.com: >>> >>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:42:06 GMT, Ken Knecht <kenkk***@deruknot.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Chuck <n***@example.net> wrote in >>>>>news:jl01m298rb9ir89a6v2e4r0e7mpvqtrg3h@4ax.com: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:24:37 GMT, Ken Knecht >>>>>> <kenkk***@deruknot.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> <SNIP> >>>> >>>>>>>I bought a cheap new hub yesterday. After the computers were on >>>>>>>for an hour, I turned off the firewall on both machines (after >>>>>>>going off-line) for about 10 minutes. Then turned the firewalls >>>>>>>back on. Now I can see both computers' icons on both machines. I >>>>>>>seem to be able (I probably didn't try _every_ drive) to see the >>>>>>>folders on the other computer's drives. But Bernard can't see the >>>>>>>_contents_ of the folders on Kenneth's drive C (can see the >>>>>>>folders that open when I first double-click on the drive icon, but >>>>>>>not the contents of those folders.), nor Kenneth's shared >>>>>>>documents. However, it can see Kenneth's other two drives and >>>>>>>folder contents ok. Kenneth seems to be able to see everything on >>>>>>>Bernard ok, including C and Shared Documents. Drive C and Shared >>>>>>>Documents on Kenneth are set to share in the drive's properties >>>>>>>the same as the two visible drives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So, evidently it was the hub? I'm still using the old cables, but >>>>>>>had purchased a new one for troubleshooting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Any suggestions on sharing Kenneth's drive C fully (and Shared >>>>>>>Documents)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks so very much for your help and patience so far. And >>>>>>>marvelous web site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Here's hoping things don't go kaput again, next time I boot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ken >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hardware could indeed be the originating problem. But if you have >>>>>> problems seeing one share, and not another, you may still have >>>>>> problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> At any rate, make sure that you run "browstat status" on both >>>>>> computers, and that you see a clean set of browstat logs, before >>>>>> you continue. Both computers should see each other, and there >>>>>> should be only one master browser. >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-micros >>>>>> of t. html> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microso >>>>>> ft .h tml >>>>>> >>>>>> Then we'll get into file sharing issues, if necessary. >>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-x >>>>>> p. ht ml> >>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp >>>>>> .h tm l >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Browstat Kenneth >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8F7F4ADF-3D5B- 44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is: KENNETH >>>>> Master browser is running build 2600 >>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >>>>> \\KENNETH >>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{8F7F4ADF-3D5B-44D3-BEEB-AF300F87B1FA} >>>>> >>>>>Browstat Bernard >>>>> >>>>>Status for domain MSHOME on transport >>>>>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{363510F7-6EAD- 4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> Browsing is active on domain. >>>>> Master browser name is: KENNETH >>>>>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine >>>>>build of browser master: 53 >>>>> \\\\KENNETH . Version:05.01 Flags: 41203 NT MASTER >>>>> 1 backup servers retrieved from master KENNETH >>>>> \\KENNETH >>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> There are 0 domains in domain MSHOME on transport >>>>> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_ >>>>>{363510F7-6EAD-4B0C-A746-6BE0E142A193} >>>>> >>>>>I see I still have a problem with Bernard. I did these tests while >>>>>the LAN was operating normally and was not showing the firewall >>>>>problem described next. >>>>> >>>>>This may be out of your area of expertise, but I noted a firewall >>>>>problem after I posted earlier. I think. >>>>> >>>>>I use Tiny Personal Firewall 2.0.15A. It seems to be intermittently >>>>>interferring with my LAN operation. Sometimes Bernard's drives are >>>>>not accessable from Kenneth, but Kenneth's are from Bernard. But if >>>>>I turn the firewalls (all computers use TPF) off for a minute or >>>>>two, then back on, access resumes normally. The IPs are in the >>>>>trusted lists as they should be. I can't find documentation for this >>>>>firewall with Google, or a mention of this problem. >>>>> >>>>>Maybe a different firewall? >>>>> >>>>>This is getting frustrating! >>>> >>>> Ken, >>>> >>>> Network work can be frustrating. You gotta take it a layer at a >>>> time, though, with the proper diagnostics. >>>> >>>> This is normal, with XP Home >>>>>Could not connect to registry, error = 53 >>>> >>>> This is not >>>>> There are 1 servers in domain MSHOME >>>> >>>> Since you say above that NetBT is explicitly Enabled on both >>>> computers, that leaves us with a personal firewall as the primary >>>> problem >>> >>>I have another firewall coming. A friend put a copy of Sygate Personal >>>Firewall on CD in the mail for me today. My dial-up connection is too >>>slow and unreliable for a 9M DL. >>> >>>> (or maybe LSP / Winsock corruption). >>>> 1) Check your LSP / Winsock. Be persistent here. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-laye >>>> r- in.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer >>>> -i n.html >>> >>>I'll read it again but it looks _very_ difficult. I may have to settle >>>for Kenneth's C folder contents being unavailable from Bernard. I'm >>>not sure they were before I crashed Kenneth and lost the network. Once >>>I replace the firewall I hope everything else continues to work. >>> >>>> 2) Check the Tiny documentation carefully, for antiworm >>>> protection. This is a trendy feature in firewalls now, and you have >>>> to look carefully. >>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eit >>>> he r-help.html> >>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eith >>>> er -help.html 3) Un install TPF carefully, following instructions >>>> from the vendor. Be very diligent here. Then repeat step 1. >>>> >>>> But you have a major problem. With XP SP0 on one computer, and SP1 >>>> on the other, you are a security problem in the making. And without >>>> SP2, you have 2 major disadvantages: >>>> 1) You cannot get Windows Firewall. >>>> 2) You cannot apply security updates. >>>> >>>> Sooner or later, your inability to apply security updates will >>>> become a major problem. I urge you to find a solution NOW, before >>>> that happens. Take the computers to a professional shop, if >>>> necessary. >>>> >>>I got a CD copy of SP2 from MS, but upon researching its installation >>>I read that I must bring all patches up to date before installing it. >>>As I mentioned above, my slow erratic dial-up precludes doing this. So >>>I have not bothered to buy a copy of SP1 (if it's available) from MS >>>for the other machine. >>> >>>So lack of security patches is nothing new. I have not DLed any. So >>>far, so good. I use IE as seldom as possible, only when Firefox won't >>>do what I need and stay away from MS email and news aps. And all other >>>MS software possible. With a firewall and running Ad-Aware every few >>>days, and holding my breath, I hope for the best. One can only do what >>>is possible. If worse comes to worse I'll get a Mac for on-line usage. >> >> Most firewalls install components into the LSP / Winsock stack. Lots >> of malware does the same. If you have a problem with either, the >> stack gets corrupted, and you lose network functionality. > >Could this be causing the lack of visibility of the folder contents on >Kenneth's drive C. I read > >http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.h tm >l > >and will look at it again this evening. > >> >> Installing another firewall may or may not help. If it does, fine. >> We'll try to help you, but you have to help us to help you. Take the >> instructions one step at a time. > >I'll find out later this week. >> >> If you have an installable copy of XP SP2, it should install fine as >> is. I don't know why you should have instructions about bringing all >> patches up to date before installing. You will, however, have a few >> to install afterwards, as SP2 has been out for a while. > >Upon Googling, I found that SP1 is no longer available (on CD?) as of >10/10 so I will not be able to update Bernard. I also found information >that SP2 does not agree with eMachines - Kenneth is an eMachine. >> >> And contrary to a lot of advertising, Macs have security problems too. >> To say nothing of the challenge of running them on a LAN with >> Windows. But if you see that as a solution, then go for it. >> > >Any other suggestions besides the Winsock work in your > >http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer -i >n.html > >for finding my Kenneth drice C folder visibility? I hesitate to mess >with the registry and the other stuff that checking this requires. I'd >prefer to try other things first. That seems to be my main LAN problem >right now, and if necessary I can easily work around it by networking >from Kenneth rather than Bernard. > >Thanks again. Please be patient with my stupidity and hesitation to mess >with a mostly working-fine system. The thing about the LSP / Winsock stack is that all network activity passes thru it. Incoming / outgoing, IP / IPX / NetBEUI, TCP / UDP / ICMP. Even though all traffic passes thru it, each different bit of traffic passes differently. So a break in any one chain may leave just one small symptom, or a bunch of seemingly unrelated symptoms. LSP / Winsock is largely a bunch of filters or switches. It's a great place for malware to hide, and a reason why the network stack in Vista was redesigned to eliminate this. So any time that you install or un install network software, like a firewall, or any time that you remove malware, LSP chains may have to be repaired. That's the reason for the different LSP / Winsock repair products. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layered_Service_Provider> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layered_Service_Provider And yes, it's possible that the lack of visibility of the folder contents on Kenneth's drive C is caused by an LSP / Winsock problem. And un fortunately, if the problem is a broken LSP chain, the only remedy will be running the repair tools. And sometimes, that will be 1 specific repair tool out of the 7 specified. Now, you do not need SP1, if you're prepared to apply SP2. SP2 was a cumulative update, and it was stated to eliminate SP1 for those who started from SP0 (no SP). But for OEM copies of Windows, you do need to get SP installs from the vendors, so I'm not sure what you can do with an eMachine. -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. 
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