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Author
15 Nov 2006 2:42 PM
jrleighton
I have 3 PCs on a small business workgroup - they are all windows xp 32 pro. 
We have a wireless internet gateway for internet access.  We're all on the
same workgroup - a simple 'home / small business' LAN.

I am using a piece of software (www.spiceworks.com) which searches the LAN
for PCs (it's looking for WMI information).  It searches a range for IP
addresses for potential connections on the LAN (say 192.168.1.1-254).  For
each one of these PCs found, it puts some WMI info into its database.  Simple
concept. 
Except that my LAN has DHCP, so each PC would change the IP every so often. 
No problem - the software doesn't store PC info by IP address, but by
hostname.
However, I seem to be unable to get any form of nslookup working.
Neither nslookup ip_address and nslookup host_name works - the console
output is below.
Anybody able to help me out here on how to start to solve this issue ?
I presume that the issue is that I am not running any local DNS server, and
the router isn't acting as one (unless RIP on my router is something that I
should enable - whatever it is).
Many thanks for any help out there.

C:\>nslookup 192.168.1.1
DNS request timed out.
    timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.254: Timed out
*** Default servers are not available
Server:  UnKnown
Address:  192.168.1.254

DNS request timed out.
    timeout was 2 seconds.
*** Request to UnKnown timed-out

C:\>

Author
15 Nov 2006 3:20 PM
Kerry Brown
You are correct.  You would need a local dns server with your computers
registering themselves with the server.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/



jrleighton wrote:
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> I have 3 PCs on a small business workgroup - they are all windows xp
> 32 pro. We have a wireless internet gateway for internet access.
> We're all on the same workgroup - a simple 'home / small business'
> LAN.
>
> I am using a piece of software (www.spiceworks.com) which searches
> the LAN for PCs (it's looking for WMI information).  It searches a
> range for IP addresses for potential connections on the LAN (say
> 192.168.1.1-254).  For each one of these PCs found, it puts some WMI
> info into its database.  Simple concept.
> Except that my LAN has DHCP, so each PC would change the IP every so
> often. No problem - the software doesn't store PC info by IP address,
> but by hostname.
> However, I seem to be unable to get any form of nslookup working.
> Neither nslookup ip_address and nslookup host_name works - the console
> output is below.
> Anybody able to help me out here on how to start to solve this issue ?
> I presume that the issue is that I am not running any local DNS
> server, and the router isn't acting as one (unless RIP on my router
> is something that I should enable - whatever it is).
> Many thanks for any help out there.
>
> C:\>nslookup 192.168.1.1
> DNS request timed out.
>    timeout was 2 seconds.
> *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.254: Timed out
> *** Default servers are not available
> Server:  UnKnown
> Address:  192.168.1.254
>
> DNS request timed out.
>    timeout was 2 seconds.
> *** Request to UnKnown timed-out
>
> C:\>
Author
15 Nov 2006 3:55 PM
jrleighton
So how do I install an easy DNS server ?
Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing includes a DNS server, but I am not
using DNS. 
I would have thought that Microsoft had a solution for DNS lookups on a
workgroup without external software being needed.
Is there a Microsoft solution ? 
Having searched a bit on this issue now, I can't see for sure.

Any clues out there please ? Many many thanks !



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"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> You are correct.  You would need a local dns server with your computers
> registering themselves with the server.
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>
>
>
> jrleighton wrote:
> > I have 3 PCs on a small business workgroup - they are all windows xp
> > 32 pro. We have a wireless internet gateway for internet access.
> > We're all on the same workgroup - a simple 'home / small business'
> > LAN.
> >
> > I am using a piece of software (www.spiceworks.com) which searches
> > the LAN for PCs (it's looking for WMI information).  It searches a
> > range for IP addresses for potential connections on the LAN (say
> > 192.168.1.1-254).  For each one of these PCs found, it puts some WMI
> > info into its database.  Simple concept.
> > Except that my LAN has DHCP, so each PC would change the IP every so
> > often. No problem - the software doesn't store PC info by IP address,
> > but by hostname.
> > However, I seem to be unable to get any form of nslookup working.
> > Neither nslookup ip_address and nslookup host_name works - the console
> > output is below.
> > Anybody able to help me out here on how to start to solve this issue ?
> > I presume that the issue is that I am not running any local DNS
> > server, and the router isn't acting as one (unless RIP on my router
> > is something that I should enable - whatever it is).
> > Many thanks for any help out there.
> >
> > C:\>nslookup 192.168.1.1
> > DNS request timed out.
> >    timeout was 2 seconds.
> > *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.254: Timed out
> > *** Default servers are not available
> > Server:  UnKnown
> > Address:  192.168.1.254
> >
> > DNS request timed out.
> >    timeout was 2 seconds.
> > *** Request to UnKnown timed-out
> >
> > C:\>
>
>
>
Author
15 Nov 2006 4:45 PM
Kerry Brown
In workgroups name resolving locally is done with NETBIOS. Make sure NETBIOS
is enabled on all computers. It won't fix the nslookup problem but it may
fix any problems applications are having.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/



Kerry Brown wrote:
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> You are correct.  You would need a local dns server with your
> computers registering themselves with the server.
>
>
> jrleighton wrote:
>> I have 3 PCs on a small business workgroup - they are all windows xp
>> 32 pro. We have a wireless internet gateway for internet access.
>> We're all on the same workgroup - a simple 'home / small business'
>> LAN.
>>
>> I am using a piece of software (www.spiceworks.com) which searches
>> the LAN for PCs (it's looking for WMI information).  It searches a
>> range for IP addresses for potential connections on the LAN (say
>> 192.168.1.1-254).  For each one of these PCs found, it puts some WMI
>> info into its database.  Simple concept.
>> Except that my LAN has DHCP, so each PC would change the IP every so
>> often. No problem - the software doesn't store PC info by IP address,
>> but by hostname.
>> However, I seem to be unable to get any form of nslookup working.
>> Neither nslookup ip_address and nslookup host_name works - the
>> console output is below.
>> Anybody able to help me out here on how to start to solve this issue
>> ? I presume that the issue is that I am not running any local DNS
>> server, and the router isn't acting as one (unless RIP on my router
>> is something that I should enable - whatever it is).
>> Many thanks for any help out there.
>>
>> C:\>nslookup 192.168.1.1
>> DNS request timed out.
>>    timeout was 2 seconds.
>> *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.254: Timed out
>> *** Default servers are not available
>> Server:  UnKnown
>> Address:  192.168.1.254
>>
>> DNS request timed out.
>>    timeout was 2 seconds.
>> *** Request to UnKnown timed-out
>>
>> C:\>
Author
15 Nov 2006 5:06 PM
Jim
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"jrleighton" <jrleigh***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I have 3 PCs on a small business workgroup - they are all windows xp 32
>pro.
> We have a wireless internet gateway for internet access.  We're all on the
> same workgroup - a simple 'home / small business' LAN.
>
> I am using a piece of software (www.spiceworks.com) which searches the LAN
> for PCs (it's looking for WMI information).  It searches a range for IP
> addresses for potential connections on the LAN (say 192.168.1.1-254).  For
> each one of these PCs found, it puts some WMI info into its database.
> Simple
> concept.
> Except that my LAN has DHCP, so each PC would change the IP every so
> often.
> No problem - the software doesn't store PC info by IP address, but by
> hostname.
> However, I seem to be unable to get any form of nslookup working.
> Neither nslookup ip_address and nslookup host_name works - the console
> output is below.
> Anybody able to help me out here on how to start to solve this issue ?
> I presume that the issue is that I am not running any local DNS server,
> and
> the router isn't acting as one (unless RIP on my router is something that
> I
> should enable - whatever it is).
> Many thanks for any help out there.
>
> C:\>nslookup 192.168.1.1
> DNS request timed out.
>    timeout was 2 seconds.
> *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.254: Timed out
> *** Default servers are not available
> Server:  UnKnown
> Address:  192.168.1.254
>
> DNS request timed out.
>    timeout was 2 seconds.
> *** Request to UnKnown timed-out
>
> C:\>
>
You could consider using the HOSTS file for that purpose.  It isn't too
difficult to keep the addresses of 3 computers consistent if they have
identical copies of that file.
Jim