news:Xns9BF781D5D215Cwunderpsdrscray@138.126.254.210:

> =?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXI=?= <Pe***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> news:27122737-9239-4496-AD8C-328865BD6613@microsoft.com:
>
>> Seems a common problem.  Two machines definitely connected by
>> wireless, excellent signal.  Went through set up with Network
>> Wizard to establish computer and workgroup names, but nothing
>> shows in "Network Places\View Workbook Computers" on either
>> machine.  I use Windows Live Care - set firewall configuration to
>> "Home Zone" on both machines - should allow file viewing on other
>> machine - but still nothing.  Does the "Map Network Drive"
>> function found by right-clicking "My Compter" have anything to do
>> with this? Is it worth paying for phone support at this point?
>>
>
> Almost always this is caused by a firewall on some computer in the
> subnet.
>
> Bring up a command window (start->Run->"cmd") and try the following
> commands:
>
> 1) Can you ping the other machine's IP address?
>    ping 192.168.1.10   <- Replace with actual IP address
>
> 2) Does Windows Networking respond on other machine?
>    nbtstat -a computername
> or
>    nbtstat -A computer.IP.Address.
>
> 3) Do you get an error when you try to manually connect:
>
>    net use * \\computername\sharename
>
> HTH,
>   John
>

"John Wunderlich" wrote:

> John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9BF781D5D215Cwunderpsdrscray@138.126.254.210:
>
> > =?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXI=?= <Pe***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > news:27122737-9239-4496-AD8C-328865BD6613@microsoft.com:
> >
> >> Seems a common problem.  Two machines definitely connected by
> >> wireless, excellent signal.  Went through set up with Network
> >> Wizard to establish computer and workgroup names, but nothing
> >> shows in "Network Places\View Workbook Computers" on either
> >> machine.  I use Windows Live Care - set firewall configuration to
> >> "Home Zone" on both machines - should allow file viewing on other
> >> machine - but still nothing.  Does the "Map Network Drive"
> >> function found by right-clicking "My Compter" have anything to do
> >> with this? Is it worth paying for phone support at this point?
> >>
> >
> > Almost always this is caused by a firewall on some computer in the
> > subnet.
> >
> > Bring up a command window (start->Run->"cmd") and try the following
> > commands:
> >
> > 1) Can you ping the other machine's IP address?
> >    ping 192.168.1.10   <- Replace with actual IP address
> >
> > 2) Does Windows Networking respond on other machine?
> >    nbtstat -a computername
> > or
> >    nbtstat -A computer.IP.Address.
> >
> > 3) Do you get an error when you try to manually connect:
> >
> >    net use * \\computername\sharename
> >
> > HTH,
> >   John
> >
>
> Also, enter the command:
>   ipconfig /all
>
> and verify that the Node Type is not P-Type or Peer-to-Peer on either
> machine.
>
> HTH,
>   John
>

> Thanks for helping, John.  Answers:
>
> ip config - node is "mixed".  I set this up as a "peer to peer" network
> manually.  The wireless network wizard only sets up infrastructure systems I
> believe.
>
> How do I find the IP addresses for the computers?  Is there a unique IP for
> each?
>
> nbtstat provides the workgroup name associated with the other computer so
> something is being recognized (maybe.
>
> net  use does not appear to yield anything useful.  What is the "share name"?
>
> One computer is connected to the internet via a cable router, the other is
> not connected directly to the net.  A third PC is also connected to the
> router, but does not have a wireless connection.  AS i only want to share
> files beweeen the machines, maybe i should remove the internet cable
> connection?
>
> Thanks, Peter
>
> "John Wunderlich" wrote:
>
>> John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9BF781D5D215Cwunderpsdrscray@138.126.254.210:
>>
>>> =?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXI=?= <Pe***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> news:27122737-9239-4496-AD8C-328865BD6613@microsoft.com:
>>>
>>>> Seems a common problem.  Two machines definitely connected by
>>>> wireless, excellent signal.  Went through set up with Network
>>>> Wizard to establish computer and workgroup names, but nothing
>>>> shows in "Network Places\View Workbook Computers" on either
>>>> machine.  I use Windows Live Care - set firewall configuration to
>>>> "Home Zone" on both machines - should allow file viewing on other
>>>> machine - but still nothing.  Does the "Map Network Drive"
>>>> function found by right-clicking "My Compter" have anything to do
>>>> with this? Is it worth paying for phone support at this point?
>>>>
>>> Almost always this is caused by a firewall on some computer in the
>>> subnet.
>>>
>>> Bring up a command window (start->Run->"cmd") and try the following
>>> commands:
>>>
>>> 1) Can you ping the other machine's IP address?
>>>    ping 192.168.1.10   <- Replace with actual IP address
>>>
>>> 2) Does Windows Networking respond on other machine?
>>>    nbtstat -a computername
>>> or
>>>    nbtstat -A computer.IP.Address.
>>>
>>> 3) Do you get an error when you try to manually connect:
>>>
>>>    net use * \\computername\sharename
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>   John
>>>
>> Also, enter the command:
>>   ipconfig /all
>>
>> and verify that the Node Type is not P-Type or Peer-to-Peer on either
>> machine.
>>
>> HTH,
>>   John
>>

"Lem" wrote:

> Peter wrote:
> > Thanks for helping, John.  Answers:
> >
> > ip config - node is "mixed".  I set this up as a "peer to peer" network
> > manually.  The wireless network wizard only sets up infrastructure systems I
> > believe.
> >
> > How do I find the IP addresses for the computers?  Is there a unique IP for
> > each?
> >
> > nbtstat provides the workgroup name associated with the other computer so
> > something is being recognized (maybe.
> >
> > net  use does not appear to yield anything useful.  What is the "share name"?
> >
> > One computer is connected to the internet via a cable router, the other is
> > not connected directly to the net.  A third PC is also connected to the
> > router, but does not have a wireless connection.  AS i only want to share
> > files beweeen the machines, maybe i should remove the internet cable
> > connection?
> >
> > Thanks, Peter
> >
> > "John Wunderlich" wrote:
> >
> >> John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote in
> >> news:Xns9BF781D5D215Cwunderpsdrscray@138.126.254.210:
> >>
> >>> =?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXI=?= <Pe***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >>> news:27122737-9239-4496-AD8C-328865BD6613@microsoft.com:
> >>>
> >>>> Seems a common problem.  Two machines definitely connected by
> >>>> wireless, excellent signal.  Went through set up with Network
> >>>> Wizard to establish computer and workgroup names, but nothing
> >>>> shows in "Network Places\View Workbook Computers" on either
> >>>> machine.  I use Windows Live Care - set firewall configuration to
> >>>> "Home Zone" on both machines - should allow file viewing on other
> >>>> machine - but still nothing.  Does the "Map Network Drive"
> >>>> function found by right-clicking "My Compter" have anything to do
> >>>> with this? Is it worth paying for phone support at this point?
> >>>>
> >>> Almost always this is caused by a firewall on some computer in the
> >>> subnet.
> >>>
> >>> Bring up a command window (start->Run->"cmd") and try the following
> >>> commands:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Can you ping the other machine's IP address?
> >>>    ping 192.168.1.10   <- Replace with actual IP address
> >>>
> >>> 2) Does Windows Networking respond on other machine?
> >>>    nbtstat -a computername
> >>> or
> >>>    nbtstat -A computer.IP.Address.
> >>>
> >>> 3) Do you get an error when you try to manually connect:
> >>>
> >>>    net use * \\computername\sharename
> >>>
> >>> HTH,
> >>>   John
> >>>
> >> Also, enter the command:
> >>   ipconfig /all
> >>
> >> and verify that the Node Type is not P-Type or Peer-to-Peer on either
> >> machine.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>   John
> >>
>
> You said that you have a "cable router," but you also said that you set
> up your wireless connection between 2 computers manually as a
> "peer-to-peer" network.  From your use of the word "infrastructure" in
> the next sentence, I assume that you mean that you have attempted to
> create what's usually called an "ad-hoc" wireless network.  The question
> is why? Or more pertinently, why not connect all of the computers to the
> cable router?
>
> Does your cable router have more than one Ethernet port?  Does your
> cable router have wireless capability?
>
> WRT your questions:
>
> Run ipconfig /all on each computer in order to get the IP address for
> each computer.  You should copy/paste the *entire* output of ipconfig
> /all for each computer in your next post (to copy from the Command
> Prompt window: right-click > Select All > <ctrl>+C).
>
> Yes, each computer must have a unique IP address.
>
> In addition, in order to properly communicate over a network, each
> machine must be in the same subnet.  That information will be shown in
> the output from ipconfig /all.
>
> Further, when you write "nbtstat provides the workgroup name associated
> with the other computer," it suggests that you used different workgroup
> names in the different computers.  If you want to use "My Network
> Places," you must use the *same* workgroup name for all computers.  Each
> computer, of course, has its own unique computer name.
>
> "Share name" is the name you assigned to a resource when you configured
> it to be shared.  For example, suppose you have 3 computers named
> "Peter," "Pan," and "Hook."  Your workgroup might be "Neverland," but
> that bit of information is rarely used.
>
> Now suppose you have a folder on "Pan" named My Documents\Lost Boys and
> you want to share it.  On Pan, open Windows Explorer, right click on My
> Documents\Lost Boys and select Properties. Then click the "Sharing" tab.
>   Under the heading "Network sharing and security," click the box to
> "Share this folder on the network" and enter a Share name.  For best
> results, limit the share name to 12 characters or less and don't use any
> special characters or spaces.  Suppose you assign the share name LostBoys.
>
> Then, on Peter, you can access that folder on Pan (i.e., that "share")
> by typing \\Pan\LostBoys in Windows Explorer.
>
> There are a few additional things involved in successfully sharing files
> over a Windows network.  Standard advice from MS-MVP Malke follows. Take
> what applies to you.
>
> <Quote>
> File/printer sharing
>
> Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
> Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
> files and folders:
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx
>
> For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
> caveat in Item A below).
>
> Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
> caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including
> a stateful firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls
> such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or
> 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup
> machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating system does not
> permit it.
>
> A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
> (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
> File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network
> Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only
> "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you
> aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with
> "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a
> firewall, then you're fine.  With third-party firewalls,  I usually
> configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
> 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
> subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
> CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.
>
> B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup.
> This is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.
>
> C. Create matching user accounts and passwords on all machines. You do
> not need to be logged into the same account on all machines and the
> passwords assigned to each user account can be different; the
> accounts/passwords just need to exist and match on all machines. DO NOT
> NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE ONES. If you wish a
> machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular user's
> account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at this link
> work for both XP and Vista:
>
> Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
>
> D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off
> Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).
>
> E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
> home directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside
> those directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents
> folder. See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.
>
> F. After you have file sharing working (and have tested this by
> exchanging a file between all machines), if you want to share a printer
> connected locally to one of your computers, share it out from that
> machine. Then go to the printer mftr.'s website and download the latest
> drivers for the correct operating system(s). Install them on the target
> machine(s). The printer should be seen during the installation routine.
> If it is not, install the drivers and then use the Add Printer Wizard.
> In some instances, certain printers need to be installed as Local
> printers but that is outside of this response.
> </QUOTE>
>
> --
> Lem -- MS-MVP
>
> To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
>

> Thanks Lem and John,
>
> Sorry for the late reply.  The first thing to say is that the network is now
> working.  I have no idea what caused it to work, unless it had something to
> do with the pinging etc. that I did following John's suggestions, but that
> seems unlikely.  Anyway, I can now see files on computer A from computer B
> and vice-versa.  Not only that, but I was actually able to load Office onto
> my new netbook using the CD drive on the older laptop computer, which was why
> I was trying to set the network up.  By the way I am using XP Home on these
> machines, but my main PC uses XP Pro.
>
> Yes, I did set up the wireless connection as an ad-hoc network following
> instructions from a Microsoft website.  Yes, the computers have the same
> Workgroup name.  As I said, the Wireless Network Wizard seems only able to
> set up in the infrastructure mode, and I wanted peer to peer.
> I have wondered about using the cables connected to the router as a home
> network connection, but have so far only been using them as an external
> internet connection.  Would I simply use the Network Setup Wizard to set up
> the network via cable, or do I have to do something else?  You can tell I am
> pretty clueless when it comes to this subject.  As I said, my main PC uses XP
> Pro - i don't know whether this can cause a problem.
>
> However, my frustrations (anticipated of course) seem to be over, and I want
> to thank you both for the good advice.
>
> Peter
>
> "Lem" wrote:
>
>> Peter wrote:
>>> Thanks for helping, John.  Answers:
>>>
>>> ip config - node is "mixed".  I set this up as a "peer to peer" network
>>> manually.  The wireless network wizard only sets up infrastructure systems I
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> How do I find the IP addresses for the computers?  Is there a unique IP for
>>> each?
>>>
>>> nbtstat provides the workgroup name associated with the other computer so
>>> something is being recognized (maybe.
>>>
>>> net  use does not appear to yield anything useful.  What is the "share name"?
>>>
>>> One computer is connected to the internet via a cable router, the other is
>>> not connected directly to the net.  A third PC is also connected to the
>>> router, but does not have a wireless connection.  AS i only want to share
>>> files beweeen the machines, maybe i should remove the internet cable
>>> connection?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Peter
>>>
>>> "John Wunderlich" wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote in
>>>> news:Xns9BF781D5D215Cwunderpsdrscray@138.126.254.210:
>>>>
>>>>> =?Utf-8?B?UGV0ZXI=?= <Pe***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:27122737-9239-4496-AD8C-328865BD6613@microsoft.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems a common problem.  Two machines definitely connected by
>>>>>> wireless, excellent signal.  Went through set up with Network
>>>>>> Wizard to establish computer and workgroup names, but nothing
>>>>>> shows in "Network Places\View Workbook Computers" on either
>>>>>> machine.  I use Windows Live Care - set firewall configuration to
>>>>>> "Home Zone" on both machines - should allow file viewing on other
>>>>>> machine - but still nothing.  Does the "Map Network Drive"
>>>>>> function found by right-clicking "My Compter" have anything to do
>>>>>> with this? Is it worth paying for phone support at this point?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Almost always this is caused by a firewall on some computer in the
>>>>> subnet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bring up a command window (start->Run->"cmd") and try the following
>>>>> commands:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Can you ping the other machine's IP address?
>>>>>    ping 192.168.1.10   <- Replace with actual IP address
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Does Windows Networking respond on other machine?
>>>>>    nbtstat -a computername
>>>>> or
>>>>>    nbtstat -A computer.IP.Address.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Do you get an error when you try to manually connect:
>>>>>
>>>>>    net use * \\computername\sharename
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>   John
>>>>>
>>>> Also, enter the command:
>>>>   ipconfig /all
>>>>
>>>> and verify that the Node Type is not P-Type or Peer-to-Peer on either
>>>> machine.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>>   John
>>>>
>> You said that you have a "cable router," but you also said that you set
>> up your wireless connection between 2 computers manually as a
>> "peer-to-peer" network.  From your use of the word "infrastructure" in
>> the next sentence, I assume that you mean that you have attempted to
>> create what's usually called an "ad-hoc" wireless network.  The question
>> is why? Or more pertinently, why not connect all of the computers to the
>> cable router?
>>
>> Does your cable router have more than one Ethernet port?  Does your
>> cable router have wireless capability?
>>
>> WRT your questions:
>>
>> Run ipconfig /all on each computer in order to get the IP address for
>> each computer.  You should copy/paste the *entire* output of ipconfig
>> /all for each computer in your next post (to copy from the Command
>> Prompt window: right-click > Select All > <ctrl>+C).
>>
>> Yes, each computer must have a unique IP address.
>>
>> In addition, in order to properly communicate over a network, each
>> machine must be in the same subnet.  That information will be shown in
>> the output from ipconfig /all.
>>
>> Further, when you write "nbtstat provides the workgroup name associated
>> with the other computer," it suggests that you used different workgroup
>> names in the different computers.  If you want to use "My Network
>> Places," you must use the *same* workgroup name for all computers.  Each
>> computer, of course, has its own unique computer name.
>>
>> "Share name" is the name you assigned to a resource when you configured
>> it to be shared.  For example, suppose you have 3 computers named
>> "Peter," "Pan," and "Hook."  Your workgroup might be "Neverland," but
>> that bit of information is rarely used.
>>
>> Now suppose you have a folder on "Pan" named My Documents\Lost Boys and
>> you want to share it.  On Pan, open Windows Explorer, right click on My
>> Documents\Lost Boys and select Properties. Then click the "Sharing" tab.
>>   Under the heading "Network sharing and security," click the box to
>> "Share this folder on the network" and enter a Share name.  For best
>> results, limit the share name to 12 characters or less and don't use any
>> special characters or spaces.  Suppose you assign the share name LostBoys.
>>
>> Then, on Peter, you can access that folder on Pan (i.e., that "share")
>> by typing \\Pan\LostBoys in Windows Explorer.
>>
>> There are a few additional things involved in successfully sharing files
>> over a Windows network.  Standard advice from MS-MVP Malke follows. Take
>> what applies to you.
>>
>> <Quote>
>> File/printer sharing
>>
>> Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
>> Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
>> files and folders:
>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx
>>
>> For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
>> caveat in Item A below).
>>
>> Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
>> caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including
>> a stateful firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls
>> such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or
>> 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup
>> machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating system does not
>> permit it.
>>
>> A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
>> (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
>> File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network
>> Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only
>> "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you
>> aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with
>> "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a
>> firewall, then you're fine.  With third-party firewalls,  I usually
>> configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
>> 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
>> subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
>> CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.
>>
>> B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup.
>> This is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.
>>
>> C. Create matching user accounts and passwords on all machines. You do
>> not need to be logged into the same account on all machines and the
>> passwords assigned to each user account can be different; the
>> accounts/passwords just need to exist and match on all machines. DO NOT
>> NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE ONES. If you wish a
>> machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular user's
>> account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at this link
>> work for both XP and Vista:
>>
>> Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
>>
>> D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off
>> Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).
>>
>> E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
>> home directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside
>> those directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents
>> folder. See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.
>>
>> F. After you have file sharing working (and have tested this by
>> exchanging a file between all machines), if you want to share a printer
>> connected locally to one of your computers, share it out from that
>> machine. Then go to the printer mftr.'s website and download the latest
>> drivers for the correct operating system(s). Install them on the target
>> machine(s). The printer should be seen during the installation routine.
>> If it is not, install the drivers and then use the Add Printer Wizard.
>> In some instances, certain printers need to be installed as Local
>> printers but that is outside of this response.
>> </QUOTE>
>>
>> --
>> Lem -- MS-MVP
>>
>> To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>> http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
>>