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Author
27 Apr 2009 4:54 PM
Jim
While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m hoping someone
with networking experience could advise me on what appears to be an Internet
access problem.



I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS system which
has been going great for many months. BUT just recently I’ve been unable to
access this system via the Internet. I’ve tried just about everything with
no success. The following ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my
Linksys BEFS41 V.2 router as per the instructions.



HTTPS            port 443 TCP

HTTP              port 80 TCP

Remote            port 3389 TCP

RDP                port 4125 TCP



I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several times with no
difference – still unable to access it.



Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed out that I’m
also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine with no access
problems.



GREATHY appreciate any/all suggestions.

Author
27 Apr 2009 7:50 PM
Bob Lin (MS-MVP)
Can you telnet port 443 and 80 internally? If yes, can you telnet them in
the Internet?

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com


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"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%232l7gj1xJHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I'm hoping
> someone with networking experience could advise me on what appears to be
> an Internet access problem.
>
>
>
> I'm operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS system
> which has been going great for many months. BUT just recently I've been
> unable to access this system via the Internet. I've tried just about
> everything with no success. The following ports are forwarded to
> (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2 router as per the instructions.
>
>
>
> HTTPS            port 443 TCP
>
> HTTP              port 80 TCP
>
> Remote            port 3389 TCP
>
> RDP                port 4125 TCP
>
>
>
> I've also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several times with
> no difference - still unable to access it.
>
>
>
> Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I've pointed out that
> I'm also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine with no access
> problems.
>
>
>
> GREATHY appreciate any/all suggestions.
>
>
>
>
Author
27 Apr 2009 8:09 PM
John Wunderlich
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"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in
news:#2l7gj1xJHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
> hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on what
> appears to be an Internet access problem.
>
>
>
> I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
> system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
> recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the Internet.
> I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The following
> ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2
> router as per the instructions.
>
>
>
> HTTPS            port 443 TCP
>
> HTTP              port 80 TCP
>
> Remote            port 3389 TCP
>
> RDP                port 4125 TCP
>
>
>
> I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
> times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>
>
>
> Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed
> out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine
> with no access problems.
>

My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range.  Is it
possible that your device's IP address has changed to something besides
..102?  Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP address that is
outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this eventuality.

-- John
Author
27 Apr 2009 8:12 PM
smlunatick
On Apr 27, 9:09 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote:
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> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote innews:#2l7gj1xJHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>
>
> > While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
> > hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on what
> > appears to be an Internet access problem.
>
> > I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
> > system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
> > recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the Internet.
> > I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The following
> > ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2
> > router as per the instructions.
>
> > HTTPS            port 443 TCP
>
> > HTTP              port 80 TCP
>
> > Remote            port 3389 TCP
>
> > RDP                port 4125 TCP
>
> > I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
> > times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>
> > Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed
> > out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine
> > with no access problems.
>
> My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
> address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range.  Is it
> possible that your device's IP address has changed to something besides
> .102?  Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP address that is
> outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this eventuality.
>
> -- John

You might forget that some routers offer DHCP IP reservation.  With IP
address reservation, once the router sees the Network Interface Card
(NIC) MAC address, that network card will always be assigned the same
IP address.
Author
28 Apr 2009 12:16 AM
John Wunderlich
smlunatick <yves***@gmail.com> wrote in
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m:

> On Apr 27, 9:09 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote:
>> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote
>> innews:#2l7gj1xJHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP02.ph x.gbl:
>>
>>
>>
>>> While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
>>> hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on
>>> what appears to be an Internet access problem.
>>
>>> I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
>>> system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
>>> recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the
>>> Internet. I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The
>>> following ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys
>>> BEFS41 V.2 router as per the instructions.
>>
>>> HTTPS            port 443 TCP
>>
>>> HTTP              port 80 TCP
>>
>>> Remote            port 3389 TCP
>>
>>> RDP                port 4125 TCP
>>
>>> I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
>>> times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>>
>>> Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve
>>> pointed out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another
>>> XP machine with no access problems.
>>
>> My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
>> address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range.  Is it
>> possible that your device's IP address has changed to something
>> besides .102?  Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP
>> address that is outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this
>> eventuality.
>>
>> -- John
>
> You might forget that some routers offer DHCP IP reservation.
> With IP address reservation, once the router sees the Network
> Interface Card (NIC) MAC address, that network card will always be
> assigned the same IP address.
>

No, I didn't forget.  I have a BEFSR41 myself and it doesn't have the
IP reservation feature.

-- John
Author
28 Apr 2009 12:26 AM
Jack-MVP
Hi
If you run a server on another computer using port 80 you can not use it on
a second computer.
A port can be Opened only toward one Computer/IP.
Any computer that uses a port Opening through a Linksys BEFS41 V.2 should be
configured with a static IP since the Router can Not do IP reservation.
Beside the Router you have to check WHS Firewall too.
I do not know what you mean by "domain name (xxx.homeserver.com)".
But after a change it might take some time for the Remote DNS to update
itself.
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).

"smlunatick" <yves***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2b73df2e-41e4-4c80-bf1b-7b44f933e30c@y34g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 27, 9:09 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote
> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote
> innews:#2l7gj1xJHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>
>
> > While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
> > hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on what
> > appears to be an Internet access problem.
>
> > I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
> > system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
> > recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the Internet.
> > I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The following
> > ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2
> > router as per the instructions.
>
> > HTTPS port 443 TCP
>
> > HTTP port 80 TCP
>
> > Remote port 3389 TCP
>
> > RDP port 4125 TCP
>
> > I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
> > times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>
> > Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed
> > out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine
> > with no access problems.
>
> My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
> address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range. Is it
> possible that your device's IP address has changed to something besides
> .102? Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP address that is
> outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this eventuality.
>
> -- John

You might forget that some routers offer DHCP IP reservation.  With IP
address reservation, once the router sees the Network Interface Card
(NIC) MAC address, that network card will always be assigned the same
IP address.
Author
28 Apr 2009 1:36 AM
Jim
Jack,

Looks like you hit the nail on the head, I am running both my IIS Web server
computer and my WHS using port 80. Need some time to do some checking but
will get back to you.

Many Thanks

Jim


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"Jack-MVP" <j***@discussgroups.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
> If you run a server on another computer using port 80 you can not use it
> on a second computer.
> A port can be Opened only toward one Computer/IP.
> Any computer that uses a port Opening through a Linksys BEFS41 V.2 should
> be configured with a static IP since the Router can Not do IP reservation.
> Beside the Router you have to check WHS Firewall too.
> I do not know what you mean by "domain name (xxx.homeserver.com)".
> But after a change it might take some time for the Remote DNS to update
> itself.
> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
>
> "smlunatick" <yves***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2b73df2e-41e4-4c80-bf1b-7b44f933e30c@y34g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 27, 9:09 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote:
>> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote
>> innews:#2l7gj1xJHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>
>>
>>
>> > While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
>> > hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on what
>> > appears to be an Internet access problem.
>>
>> > I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
>> > system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
>> > recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the Internet.
>> > I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The following
>> > ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2
>> > router as per the instructions.
>>
>> > HTTPS port 443 TCP
>>
>> > HTTP port 80 TCP
>>
>> > Remote port 3389 TCP
>>
>> > RDP port 4125 TCP
>>
>> > I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
>> > times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>>
>> > Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed
>> > out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine
>> > with no access problems.
>>
>> My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
>> address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range. Is it
>> possible that your device's IP address has changed to something besides
>> .102? Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP address that is
>> outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this eventuality.
>>
>> -- John
>
> You might forget that some routers offer DHCP IP reservation.  With IP
> address reservation, once the router sees the Network Interface Card
> (NIC) MAC address, that network card will always be assigned the same
> IP address.
Author
28 Apr 2009 2:05 AM
Jim
Hello Jack,

You were absolutely correct, I was using port 80 on two different computer
servers (IIS Web and WHS). I removed the one on IIS Web and now WHS access
is working just fine. Is there any (simple) way around this problem or
should I just run one server at a time?

MANY, MANY THANKS. I just spent about 3 days trying to figure out this
problem and you were the only one who understood it!!

Jim




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"Jack-MVP" <j***@discussgroups.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
> If you run a server on another computer using port 80 you can not use it
> on a second computer.
> A port can be Opened only toward one Computer/IP.
> Any computer that uses a port Opening through a Linksys BEFS41 V.2 should
> be configured with a static IP since the Router can Not do IP reservation.
> Beside the Router you have to check WHS Firewall too.
> I do not know what you mean by "domain name (xxx.homeserver.com)".
> But after a change it might take some time for the Remote DNS to update
> itself.
> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
>
> "smlunatick" <yves***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2b73df2e-41e4-4c80-bf1b-7b44f933e30c@y34g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 27, 9:09 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote:
>> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote
>> innews:#2l7gj1xJHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>
>>
>>
>> > While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
>> > hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on what
>> > appears to be an Internet access problem.
>>
>> > I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
>> > system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
>> > recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the Internet.
>> > I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The following
>> > ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2
>> > router as per the instructions.
>>
>> > HTTPS port 443 TCP
>>
>> > HTTP port 80 TCP
>>
>> > Remote port 3389 TCP
>>
>> > RDP port 4125 TCP
>>
>> > I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
>> > times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>>
>> > Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed
>> > out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine
>> > with no access problems.
>>
>> My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
>> address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range. Is it
>> possible that your device's IP address has changed to something besides
>> .102? Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP address that is
>> outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this eventuality.
>>
>> -- John
>
> You might forget that some routers offer DHCP IP reservation.  With IP
> address reservation, once the router sees the Network Interface Card
> (NIC) MAC address, that network card will always be assigned the same
> IP address.
Author
28 Apr 2009 1:58 PM
Jack-MVP
Hi
Hey, it can happen to the best of us ;).
You can run a second server provided that it is running on port 80.
Change the port of IIS, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/149605
If let say you change it to 61111, open 61111 toward the IP of the server.
To access it from the outside you type into the browser,
www.xxx.homeserver.com:61111
Or if it does not work with the domain xxx.homeserver.com you can use
another Domain name from a DNS provider that does port redirection at the
DND Server.
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)

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"Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hello Jack,
>
> You were absolutely correct, I was using port 80 on two different computer
> servers (IIS Web and WHS). I removed the one on IIS Web and now WHS access
> is working just fine. Is there any (simple) way around this problem or
> should I just run one server at a time?
>
> MANY, MANY THANKS. I just spent about 3 days trying to figure out this
> problem and you were the only one who understood it!!
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> "Jack-MVP" <j***@discussgroups.com> wrote in message
> news:eauQMg5xJHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi
>> If you run a server on another computer using port 80 you can not use it
>> on a second computer.
>> A port can be Opened only toward one Computer/IP.
>> Any computer that uses a port Opening through a Linksys BEFS41 V.2 should
>> be configured with a static IP since the Router can Not do IP
>> reservation.
>> Beside the Router you have to check WHS Firewall too.
>> I do not know what you mean by "domain name (xxx.homeserver.com)".
>> But after a change it might take some time for the Remote DNS to update
>> itself.
>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
>>
>> "smlunatick" <yves***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2b73df2e-41e4-4c80-bf1b-7b44f933e30c@y34g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 27, 9:09 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote
>>> innews:#2l7gj1xJHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
>>> > hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on what
>>> > appears to be an Internet access problem.
>>>
>>> > I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
>>> > system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
>>> > recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the Internet.
>>> > I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The following
>>> > ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2
>>> > router as per the instructions.
>>>
>>> > HTTPS port 443 TCP
>>>
>>> > HTTP port 80 TCP
>>>
>>> > Remote port 3389 TCP
>>>
>>> > RDP port 4125 TCP
>>>
>>> > I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
>>> > times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>>>
>>> > Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed
>>> > out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine
>>> > with no access problems.
>>>
>>> My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
>>> address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range. Is it
>>> possible that your device's IP address has changed to something besides
>>> .102? Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP address that is
>>> outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this eventuality.
>>>
>>> -- John
>>
>> You might forget that some routers offer DHCP IP reservation.  With IP
>> address reservation, once the router sees the Network Interface Card
>> (NIC) MAC address, that network card will always be assigned the same
>> IP address.
>
>
Author
29 Apr 2009 12:37 AM
Jim
Many thanks Jack.

Jim

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"Jack-MVP" <j***@discussgroups.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
> Hey, it can happen to the best of us ;).
> You can run a second server provided that it is running on port 80.
> Change the port of IIS, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/149605
> If let say you change it to 61111, open 61111 toward the IP of the server.
> To access it from the outside you type into the browser,
> www.xxx.homeserver.com:61111
> Or if it does not work with the domain xxx.homeserver.com you can use
> another Domain name from a DNS provider that does port redirection at the
> DND Server.
> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)
>
> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:eal1NX6xJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hello Jack,
>>
>> You were absolutely correct, I was using port 80 on two different
>> computer servers (IIS Web and WHS). I removed the one on IIS Web and now
>> WHS access is working just fine. Is there any (simple) way around this
>> problem or should I just run one server at a time?
>>
>> MANY, MANY THANKS. I just spent about 3 days trying to figure out this
>> problem and you were the only one who understood it!!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jack-MVP" <j***@discussgroups.com> wrote in message
>> news:eauQMg5xJHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi
>>> If you run a server on another computer using port 80 you can not use it
>>> on a second computer.
>>> A port can be Opened only toward one Computer/IP.
>>> Any computer that uses a port Opening through a Linksys BEFS41 V.2
>>> should be configured with a static IP since the Router can Not do IP
>>> reservation.
>>> Beside the Router you have to check WHS Firewall too.
>>> I do not know what you mean by "domain name (xxx.homeserver.com)".
>>> But after a change it might take some time for the Remote DNS to update
>>> itself.
>>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
>>>
>>> "smlunatick" <yves***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2b73df2e-41e4-4c80-bf1b-7b44f933e30c@y34g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Apr 27, 9:09 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl***@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>> "Jim" <jrwo***@comcast.net> wrote
>>>> innews:#2l7gj1xJHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > While this is not a WHS (Windows Home Server) newsgroup, I’m
>>>> > hoping someone with networking experience could advise me on what
>>>> > appears to be an Internet access problem.
>>>>
>>>> > I’m operating 3 Windows XP computers on a LAN. I also run a WHS
>>>> > system which has been going great for many months. BUT just
>>>> > recently I’ve been unable to access this system via the Internet.
>>>> > I’ve tried just about everything with no success. The following
>>>> > ports are forwarded to (198.162.1.102) on my Linksys BEFS41 V.2
>>>> > router as per the instructions.
>>>>
>>>> > HTTPS port 443 TCP
>>>>
>>>> > HTTP port 80 TCP
>>>>
>>>> > Remote port 3389 TCP
>>>>
>>>> > RDP port 4125 TCP
>>>>
>>>> > I’ve also changed my domain name (xxx.homeserver.com) several
>>>> > times with no difference – still unable to access it.
>>>>
>>>> > Someone said that Comcast may be blocking access but I’ve pointed
>>>> > out that I’m also running an IIS Web server on another XP machine
>>>> > with no access problems.
>>>>
>>>> My first observation is that you seem to be port forwarding to an
>>>> address that is part of the BEFSR41's default DHCP range. Is it
>>>> possible that your device's IP address has changed to something besides
>>>> .102? Usually a Server device is assigned a fixed IP address that is
>>>> outside of the DHCP range to sidestep this eventuality.
>>>>
>>>> -- John
>>>
>>> You might forget that some routers offer DHCP IP reservation.  With IP
>>> address reservation, once the router sees the Network Interface Card
>>> (NIC) MAC address, that network card will always be assigned the same
>>> IP address.
>>
>>
>