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Vista ultimate /XPHome SP3 networkNetgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same workgroup name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow network traffic. The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP machine. When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon for the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both machine - in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified area I get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista machine. In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to the A floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, how do I get it? Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? Any help greatfully received. Hi there,
Can you check on the vista machine whether File and Print Service has been installed on your network connection settings? From Control Panel->Network and Internet->Network and Sharing Center, you can select Network Connections and select Properties after you right click on the icon for the local network connection. Then you can see whether File and Print sharing is there. If not, you can click on the Install button to install it from the list of services. Then you may like to check whether the File sharing and Network discovery options are on in the Network and Sharing Center. They are on the main pane of the Network and Sharing Center. If the issue persists after that, can you tell me the model number of your router/modem? Donald Show quoteHide quote "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet to >a > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same > workgroup > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow > network > traffic. > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP > machine. > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon > for > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both > machine - > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified > area I > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista > machine. > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to > the A > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, > how do I get it? > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > Any help greatfully received. > > Hi Donald,
Everything seems to be as you indicated. F&P Sharing is there and and FS & ND are both on. My router Modem is Netgear DG834N. Everything seems to show up OK on the Vista end but on the XP machine I am still getting this UNSPECIFIED network. Many thanks for your help. best regards, Show quoteHide quote "Donald" wrote: > Hi there, > > Can you check on the vista machine whether File and Print Service has been > installed on your network connection settings? From Control Panel->Network > and Internet->Network and Sharing Center, you can select Network Connections > and select Properties after you right click on the icon for the local > network connection. Then you can see whether File and Print sharing is > there. If not, you can click on the Install button to install it from the > list of services. Then you may like to check whether the File sharing and > Network discovery options are on in the Network and Sharing Center. They are > on the main pane of the Network and Sharing Center. If the issue persists > after that, can you tell me the model number of your router/modem? > > Donald > > > "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... > >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet to > >a > > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same > > workgroup > > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow > > network > > traffic. > > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on > > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP > > machine. > > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon > > for > > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon > > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both > > machine - > > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified > > area I > > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista > > machine. > > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network > > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to > > the A > > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, > > how do I get it? > > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > > Any help greatfully received. > > > > > Can you open any web site on the XP machine? What is the IP address, DNS IP
address and gateway IP address on the XP machine? If you ping the IP address of your router and the IP address of the Vista machine, will you get a live response from them? Is there any other network connection icons other than the Local Network Connection icon in the network connections window which yhou can open from Control Panel on the XP machine? Are you using DHCP on your router or static IP address on the XP and Vista machine? What kind of settings do you have on the advanced setting of your TCPIP on the XP machine? I mean the advance setting by opening Control Panel->Network and Internet Connections->Network Connections->right click on Local Area Connection and click on Properties->select TCP/IP and click on the Properties button and then click on the Advanced button. On the WINS tab, can you see Enable LMHOSTS lookup is selected and whether NetBIOS setting is the Default one? Thanks. Donald Show quoteHide quote "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D083DE2A-613E-4FFC-9F28-0B7B0BF7A264@microsoft.com... > Hi Donald, > Everything seems to be as you indicated. F&P Sharing is there and and FS & > ND are both on. > My router Modem is Netgear DG834N. > Everything seems to show up OK on the Vista end but on the XP machine I am > still getting this UNSPECIFIED network. > Many thanks for your help. > best regards, > > "Donald" wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> Can you check on the vista machine whether File and Print Service has >> been >> installed on your network connection settings? From Control >> Panel->Network >> and Internet->Network and Sharing Center, you can select Network >> Connections >> and select Properties after you right click on the icon for the local >> network connection. Then you can see whether File and Print sharing is >> there. If not, you can click on the Install button to install it from the >> list of services. Then you may like to check whether the File sharing and >> Network discovery options are on in the Network and Sharing Center. They >> are >> on the main pane of the Network and Sharing Center. If the issue persists >> after that, can you tell me the model number of your router/modem? >> >> Donald >> >> >> "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... >> >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet >> >to >> >a >> > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. >> > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same >> > workgroup >> > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow >> > network >> > traffic. >> > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click >> > on >> > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the >> > XP >> > machine. >> > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon >> > for >> > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an >> > icon >> > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both >> > machine - >> > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified >> > area I >> > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked >> > vista >> > machine. >> > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a >> > network >> > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to >> > the A >> > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if >> > so, >> > how do I get it? >> > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? >> > Any help greatfully received. >> > >> > >> Not sure whether you can send me a screenshot with the unspecified network
icon on it by email or a web link. You can use a different workgroup name for your Vista machine and your XP home should be able to see it in the network place under that workgroup. Show quoteHide quote "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D083DE2A-613E-4FFC-9F28-0B7B0BF7A264@microsoft.com... > Hi Donald, > Everything seems to be as you indicated. F&P Sharing is there and and FS & > ND are both on. > My router Modem is Netgear DG834N. > Everything seems to show up OK on the Vista end but on the XP machine I am > still getting this UNSPECIFIED network. > Many thanks for your help. > best regards, > > "Donald" wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> Can you check on the vista machine whether File and Print Service has >> been >> installed on your network connection settings? From Control >> Panel->Network >> and Internet->Network and Sharing Center, you can select Network >> Connections >> and select Properties after you right click on the icon for the local >> network connection. Then you can see whether File and Print sharing is >> there. If not, you can click on the Install button to install it from the >> list of services. Then you may like to check whether the File sharing and >> Network discovery options are on in the Network and Sharing Center. They >> are >> on the main pane of the Network and Sharing Center. If the issue persists >> after that, can you tell me the model number of your router/modem? >> >> Donald >> >> >> "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... >> >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet >> >to >> >a >> > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. >> > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same >> > workgroup >> > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow >> > network >> > traffic. >> > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click >> > on >> > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the >> > XP >> > machine. >> > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon >> > for >> > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an >> > icon >> > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both >> > machine - >> > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified >> > area I >> > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked >> > vista >> > machine. >> > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a >> > network >> > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to >> > the A >> > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if >> > so, >> > how do I get it? >> > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? >> > Any help greatfully received. >> > >> > >> Hi Donald,
I don't seem able to get a screen shot of the icon but it is 3 small compter screen arranged in a triangle connected by a network. Up until this morning I had just 2 icons on the My Network places on the XP machine (Teajay). In the top section labeled Local Networks I had a folder icon called Shareddocs on Teajay (the xp machine. Then there was a second section called Unspecified with the 3 screen icon and no name. When I fired up the XP machine this morning to try to get a screenshot of the icon suddenly there were the same two icons but the three screen icon in the unspecified area is now called MSHOME - the workgroup name for both machines. Furthermore, there is now a THIRD section called The internet containing a folder icon called Public on Office (the name of the vista machine). Clicking on the shared doc on Teajay produces the shared files on that machine, clicking on the second icon - MSHOME in Unspecified shows both Teajay (the xp) and Office (the Vista) which in turn shows the shared folders on each machine respectively. Clicking on the Public on Office in the Internet section produces the shared files on Office (the vista machine). I have absolutely no idea what has caused the change - maybe the order in which the machines were turned on - no idea!!!! My question now is:- Why is it still called Unspecified? Why do I have 3 network places on a network of 2 computers? There has GOT to be an easier way. Don, thanks for your continued help. Before I retired I was he CEO of an IT company but the technology has moved on ahead of me!! Regards, Peter Show quoteHide quote "Donald" wrote: > Not sure whether you can send me a screenshot with the unspecified network > icon on it by email or a web link. You can use a different workgroup name > for your Vista machine and your XP home should be able to see it in the > network place under that workgroup. > > "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D083DE2A-613E-4FFC-9F28-0B7B0BF7A264@microsoft.com... > > Hi Donald, > > Everything seems to be as you indicated. F&P Sharing is there and and FS & > > ND are both on. > > My router Modem is Netgear DG834N. > > Everything seems to show up OK on the Vista end but on the XP machine I am > > still getting this UNSPECIFIED network. > > Many thanks for your help. > > best regards, > > > > "Donald" wrote: > > > >> Hi there, > >> > >> Can you check on the vista machine whether File and Print Service has > >> been > >> installed on your network connection settings? From Control > >> Panel->Network > >> and Internet->Network and Sharing Center, you can select Network > >> Connections > >> and select Properties after you right click on the icon for the local > >> network connection. Then you can see whether File and Print sharing is > >> there. If not, you can click on the Install button to install it from the > >> list of services. Then you may like to check whether the File sharing and > >> Network discovery options are on in the Network and Sharing Center. They > >> are > >> on the main pane of the Network and Sharing Center. If the issue persists > >> after that, can you tell me the model number of your router/modem? > >> > >> Donald > >> > >> > >> "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... > >> >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet > >> >to > >> >a > >> > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > >> > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same > >> > workgroup > >> > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow > >> > network > >> > traffic. > >> > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click > >> > on > >> > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the > >> > XP > >> > machine. > >> > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon > >> > for > >> > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an > >> > icon > >> > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both > >> > machine - > >> > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified > >> > area I > >> > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked > >> > vista > >> > machine. > >> > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a > >> > network > >> > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to > >> > the A > >> > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if > >> > so, > >> > how do I get it? > >> > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > >> > Any help greatfully received. > >> > > >> > > >> > > You can try accessing the share on Vista by using IP address in the UNC
name. For example, if you share a folder and it shows you the share path on vista like \\vistacomputername\share1 you can use start->run on XP machine and type in \\192.168.0.100\share1 assuming the IP address 192.168.0.100 is that of your vista machine. It could work. BTW, I don't think you will need a network disc when you setup your XP machine. Show quoteHide quote "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet to >a > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same > workgroup > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow > network > traffic. > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP > machine. > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon > for > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both > machine - > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified > area I > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista > machine. > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to > the A > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, > how do I get it? > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > Any help greatfully received. > >
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"Donald" wrote: I tried Start/run/\\192.168.0.6\share1 on the XP machine and it eventually > You can try accessing the share on Vista by using IP address in the UNC > name. For example, if you share a folder and it shows you the share path on > vista like \\vistacomputername\share1 you can use start->run on XP machine > and type in \\192.168.0.100\share1 assuming the IP address 192.168.0.100 is > that of your vista machine. It could work. BTW, I don't think you will need > a network disc when you setup your XP machine. > > "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... > >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet to > >a > > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same > > workgroup > > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow > > network > > traffic. > > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on > > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP > > machine. > > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon > > for > > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon > > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both > > machine - > > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified > > area I > > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista > > machine. > > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network > > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to > > the A > > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, > > how do I get it? > > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > > Any help greatfully received. > > > > > Hi Donald, came back with "network path not found". It seems that the XP machine is not part of the MSHOME network that I tried to set up. The Vista machine lists the MSHOME network OK. If I click on the icon for the xp machine on the network screen on the vista it shows me the shared docs folder on the xp machine. Cicking on properties gives me Shared Docs(\\TEAJAY) - TEAJAY being the name of the XP machine. Clicking on My Network places on the XP gives me an icon showing a network called unspecified. Clicking on that gived me an icon for OFFICE - the vista machine and TEAJAY the XP machine. Why is the network called unspecified rather than MSHOME as was set up on both machines? Best regards, Peter Hi
Make sure that the Software Firewall on each computer allows free local traffic. If you use 3rd party Firewall On, Vista/XP Native Firewall should be Off, and the active Firewall has to adjusted to your Network IP numbers on what is some time called the Trusted Zone (consult your 3rd Party Firewall instructions. General example, http://www.ezlan.net/faq#trusted Vista File and Printer Sharing- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx Windows XP File Sharing - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304040 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304040 Printer Sharing XP - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/honeycutt_july2.mspx Windows Native Firewall setting for Sharing XP - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875357 Windows XP patch for Sharing with Vista - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 Jack (MVP-Networking). Show quoteHide quote "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet to >a > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same > workgroup > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow > network > traffic. > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP > machine. > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon > for > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both > machine - > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified > area I > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista > machine. > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to > the A > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, > how do I get it? > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > Any help greatfully received. > > Hi Jack,
many thanks for the response. I am using Norton 360 on both machines and they are set up to:- Allow - inbound windows file sharing TCP & UDP Allow - inbound and outbound ICMP Allow - inbound and outbound Loopback TCP & UDP Allow - inbound & outbound Bootp UDP Allow - inbound & outbound ICMPv6 loopback Allow - inbound specific ICMPv6 Allow - outbound ICMPv6 Allow - inbound web services on devices (shared networks) Allow - inbound LLMNR (shared networks) Allow - inbound web services dicovery (shared networks) Allow - inbound SSDP (shared networks) All other rules show as blocked. Please don't ask me what that all means - the Norton instruction booklet doesn't even mention the firewall!! The FW setting are identical on both machines. Both machines are running the same version of 360. Windows Fw is deactivated on both machines. HELP!!!!!!! Regards, Peter Show quoteHide quote "Jack-MVP" wrote: > Hi > Make sure that the Software Firewall on each computer allows free local > traffic. If you use 3rd party Firewall On, Vista/XP Native Firewall should > be Off, and the active Firewall has to adjusted to your Network IP numbers > on what is some time called the Trusted Zone (consult your 3rd Party > Firewall instructions. > General example, http://www.ezlan.net/faq#trusted > Vista File and Printer Sharing- > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx > Windows XP File Sharing - > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304040 > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304040 > Printer Sharing XP - > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/honeycutt_july2.mspx > Windows Native Firewall setting for Sharing XP - > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875357 > Windows XP patch for Sharing with Vista - > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 > Jack (MVP-Networking). > > "peebs24" <peeb***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:2EA6B711-2C55-4794-8B70-38ED7836F338@microsoft.com... > >I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet to > >a > > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same > > workgroup > > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow > > network > > traffic. > > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on > > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP > > machine. > > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon > > for > > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon > > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both > > machine - > > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified > > area I > > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista > > machine. > > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network > > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to > > the A > > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, > > how do I get it? > > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > > Any help greatfully received. > > > > > > I have a similar problem.
My desktop runs on XP SP3. My notebook, a ThinkPad R61i on Vista Business, has both Ethernet and WiFi adaptors. They are networked via a Linksys router. Internet connection works fine under all circumstances. If WiFi is used, the network works just fine. However if wired connection is used for the notebook, the network becomes a one-way-traffic, ie. the Vista notebook can access the XP machine, while the XP machine can only see the Vista notebook under the designated work group, but any attempt to access the notebook's content results in an error message saying that " \\(notebook machine) is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The network path was not found." Technical supports of both the notebook machine and the router company were unable to find a solution. Show quoteHide quote "peebs24" wrote: > I have a machine runnig Vista, another running XP connected via ethernet to a > Netgear router/modem. Both machines access the internet OK. > I am trying to set up a home network. Both machines have the same workgroup > name. Both machines have unique names. Norton 360 f/w's set to allow network > traffic. > The vista machine/network screen shows both computers and when I click on > the XP machine icon I get to see the shared etc thaty reside on the XP > machine. > When I click on My network places on the XP machine I get a folder icon for > the XP machine in the Local Network section then a line and then an icon > indicating a network entitled MSHOME - the workgroup name on both machine - > in the UNSPECIFIED section. If I click on this icon in the unspecified area I > get only the devices on the XP machine - nothing about the networked vista > machine. > In setting up the network on the XP machine it asks if you want a network > disc to put in the other machines. The oly thing offered is to coppy to the A > floppy drive which I don't have. Is this network disk necessary and if so, > how do I get it? > Why is the network icon on the XP machine labeled UNSPECIFIED? > Any help greatfully received. > > 
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