"David" <farook***@picknowl.com.au> wrote in message
news:so5d251k1jc7ahjh4427dr84e1s016kbqt@4ax.com...
>I have two machines running XP-Pro SP3. The older machine has no
> problems connecting to the internet which is done through a switch and
> a Billion ADSL modem/router.
>
> I recently built a new machine. It will not access the internet at all
> whether I connect it directly to the modem or to the switch.
>
> If I set the new machine to Automatically get an IP address it sits
> there for several minutes and then comes up with the message about
> Limited or No connectivity.
>
> After a repair this comes up in the details box.
>
> Physical Address: 00-1F-D0-D9-C2-79
> IP Address: 169.254.23.219
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0
> Default Gateway:
> DNS Server:
> WINS Server:
>
> At this point I have no network and no internet connection.
>
> By reseting the TCP/IP properties I get this result.
>
> Physical Address: 00-1F-D0-D9-C2-79
> IP Address: 192.168.1.2
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway: 192.168.1.254
> DNS Servers: 192.231.203.132, 192.231.203.3
> WINS Server:
>
> At this point I have a connection to the network but not to the
> Internet. If I attemp to ping the modem (192.168.1.254) from the new
> machine I get no response. If I ping from the old machine I get
>
> Pinging 192.168.1.254 with 32 bytes of data:
>
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
>
> Ping statistics for 192.168.1.254:
>    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>    Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>
> In the new machine the motherboard is a brand new Gigabyte
> GA-MA780G-UD3H with 2GB RAM. The onboard network is an
> RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC. I have a 750GB SATA
> HDD. I even used the File and Settings transfer utility so both
> machines are essentially the same. The only difference is the license
> number and the drivers for the various bits and pieces.
>
> I even tried replacing the network card with a D-Link card I had lying
> around and got the same results.
>
> If I use a fixed IP I can connect to the other machine, If I attempt
> to use DHCP I get no connectivity at all. I cannot get this machine to
> see the modem/router not even if I connect directly to the router
> itself.
>
> Please, what am I doing wrong? What other information do you need to
> make a diagnosis.
>
> I have been using computers for thirty years but I'm relatively new to
> networking. I previously had two computers networked with internet
> access through a Smoothwall firewall machine to a Belkin modem but,
> for some obscure reason, the Billion modem doesn't want to connect to
> Smoothwall. Maybe I have to go back to that setup.
> --
> Regards
> David
> fundamentalism (n.): fund = give cash to; amentalism = brainlessness

news:so5d251k1jc7ahjh4427dr84e1s016kbqt@4ax.com:

> I have two machines running XP-Pro SP3. The older machine has no
> problems connecting to the internet which is done through a switch
> and a Billion ADSL modem/router.
>
> I recently built a new machine. It will not access the internet at
> all whether I connect it directly to the modem or to the switch.
>
> If I set the new machine to Automatically get an IP address it
> sits there for several minutes and then comes up with the message
> about Limited or No connectivity.
>
> After a repair this comes up in the details box.
>
> Physical Address: 00-1F-D0-D9-C2-79
> IP Address: 169.254.23.219
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0
> Default Gateway:
> DNS Server:
> WINS Server:
>
> At this point I have no network and no internet connection.
>
> By reseting the TCP/IP properties I get this result.
>
> Physical Address: 00-1F-D0-D9-C2-79
> IP Address: 192.168.1.2
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway: 192.168.1.254
> DNS Servers: 192.231.203.132, 192.231.203.3
> WINS Server:
>
> At this point I have a connection to the network but not to the
> Internet. If I attemp to ping the modem (192.168.1.254) from the
> new machine I get no response. If I ping from the old machine I
> get
>
> Pinging 192.168.1.254 with 32 bytes of data:
>
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
>
> Ping statistics for 192.168.1.254:
>     Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>     Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>
> In the new machine the motherboard is a brand new Gigabyte
> GA-MA780G-UD3H with 2GB RAM. The onboard network is an
> RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC. I have a 750GB
> SATA HDD. I even used the File and Settings transfer utility so
> both machines are essentially the same. The only difference is the
> license number and the drivers for the various bits and pieces.
>
> I even tried replacing the network card with a D-Link card I had
> lying around and got the same results.
>
> If I use a fixed IP I can connect to the other machine, If I
> attempt to use DHCP I get no connectivity at all. I cannot get
> this machine to see the modem/router not even if I connect
> directly to the router itself.
>
> Please, what am I doing wrong? What other information do you need
> to make a diagnosis.
>
> I have been using computers for thirty years but I'm relatively
> new to networking. I previously had two computers networked with
> internet access through a Smoothwall firewall machine to a Belkin
> modem but, for some obscure reason, the Billion modem doesn't want
> to connect to Smoothwall. Maybe I have to go back to that setup.

>David <farook***@picknowl.com.au> wrote in
>news:so5d251k1jc7ahjh4427dr84e1s016kbqt@4ax.com:
>
>> I have two machines running XP-Pro SP3. The older machine has no
>> problems connecting to the internet which is done through a switch
>> and a Billion ADSL modem/router.
>>
>> I recently built a new machine. It will not access the internet at
>> all whether I connect it directly to the modem or to the switch.
>>
>> If I set the new machine to Automatically get an IP address it
>> sits there for several minutes and then comes up with the message
>> about Limited or No connectivity.
>>
>> After a repair this comes up in the details box.
>>
>> Physical Address: 00-1F-D0-D9-C2-79
>> IP Address: 169.254.23.219
>> Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0
>> Default Gateway:
>> DNS Server:
>> WINS Server:
>>
>> At this point I have no network and no internet connection.
>>
>> By reseting the TCP/IP properties I get this result.
>>
>> Physical Address: 00-1F-D0-D9-C2-79
>> IP Address: 192.168.1.2
>> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>> Default Gateway: 192.168.1.254
>> DNS Servers: 192.231.203.132, 192.231.203.3
>> WINS Server:
>>
>> At this point I have a connection to the network but not to the
>> Internet. If I attemp to ping the modem (192.168.1.254) from the
>> new machine I get no response. If I ping from the old machine I
>> get
>>
>> Pinging 192.168.1.254 with 32 bytes of data:
>>
>> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
>> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
>> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
>> Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
>>
>> Ping statistics for 192.168.1.254:
>>     Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>>     Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
>>
>> In the new machine the motherboard is a brand new Gigabyte
>> GA-MA780G-UD3H with 2GB RAM. The onboard network is an
>> RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC. I have a 750GB
>> SATA HDD. I even used the File and Settings transfer utility so
>> both machines are essentially the same. The only difference is the
>> license number and the drivers for the various bits and pieces.
>>
>> I even tried replacing the network card with a D-Link card I had
>> lying around and got the same results.
>>
>> If I use a fixed IP I can connect to the other machine, If I
>> attempt to use DHCP I get no connectivity at all. I cannot get
>> this machine to see the modem/router not even if I connect
>> directly to the router itself.
>>
>> Please, what am I doing wrong? What other information do you need
>> to make a diagnosis.
>>
>> I have been using computers for thirty years but I'm relatively
>> new to networking. I previously had two computers networked with
>> internet access through a Smoothwall firewall machine to a Belkin
>> modem but, for some obscure reason, the Billion modem doesn't want
>> to connect to Smoothwall. Maybe I have to go back to that setup.
>
>Sounds like a marginal connection.  You can try going to the device
>manager, Advanced Tab, for the NIC and fix the speed/duplex instead of
>using the "Auto" setting; but, IMHO, this sounds more like a bad cable.
>
>HTH,
>-- John

>David <farook***@picknowl.com.au> wrote in
>news:26be25dhg91n3cpqcb63p8tucaitu6u2rs@4ax.com:
>
>> If the cable was bad would I be able to access the other computer
>> on the network and would the other computer be able to access the
>> network and the internet?
>
>10-Base-T internet is basically two differential pair of wires.  If one 
>of the wires in a differential pair in the cable from the computer to
>the router were to not to be connected, it is possible this
>[disconnected] wire would float in a neutral position and the other
>wire swing voltage-wise around this level allowing some communication
>(albeit with a lot of noise)... which is a lot like the symptoms you
>seem to be experiencing.  A bad wire between one computer and the
>router would not affect a different computer and the router (and
>internet).
>

"David" <farook***@picknowl.com.au> wrote in message
news:55ue25t8eufasur3h880sgni99b64imrat@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:57:00 -0700, John Wunderlich
> <jwunderl***@lycos.com> typed furiously:
>
>>David <farook***@picknowl.com.au> wrote in
>>news:26be25dhg91n3cpqcb63p8tucaitu6u2rs@4ax.com:
>>
>>> If the cable was bad would I be able to access the other computer
>>> on the network and would the other computer be able to access the
>>> network and the internet?
>>
>>10-Base-T internet is basically two differential pair of wires.  If
>>one
>>of the wires in a differential pair in the cable from the computer to
>>the router were to not to be connected, it is possible this
>>[disconnected] wire would float in a neutral position and the other
>>wire swing voltage-wise around this level allowing some communication
>>(albeit with a lot of noise)... which is a lot like the symptoms you
>>seem to be experiencing.  A bad wire between one computer and the
>>router would not affect a different computer and the router (and
>>internet).
>>
> I changed the cable for one known to be good. Same result. If I select
> automatic IP address I get no connection at all, if I use a static IP
> I get network but no Internet.
>
> I have tried all the suggestions on the page to which Jack (MS,
> MVP-Networking) directed me including downloading the programs and
> running them. All of them resulted in the same situation.
>
> Thanks so far. Do you have any other suggestions? This has got to be
> something simple but I do not have the network experience to spot it.
> --
> Regards
> David
> fundamentalism (n.): fund = give cash to; amentalism = brainlessness

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:03:52 +0100, "GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@IEE.ORGasm>
typed furiously:

>
>"David" <farook***@picknowl.com.au> wrote in message
>news:55ue25t8eufasur3h880sgni99b64imrat@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:57:00 -0700, John Wunderlich
>> <jwunderl***@lycos.com> typed furiously:
>>
>>>David <farook***@picknowl.com.au> wrote in
>>>news:26be25dhg91n3cpqcb63p8tucaitu6u2rs@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> If the cable was bad would I be able to access the other computer
>>>> on the network and would the other computer be able to access the
>>>> network and the internet?
>>>
>>>10-Base-T internet is basically two differential pair of wires.  If
>>>one
>>>of the wires in a differential pair in the cable from the computer to
>>>the router were to not to be connected, it is possible this
>>>[disconnected] wire would float in a neutral position and the other
>>>wire swing voltage-wise around this level allowing some communication
>>>(albeit with a lot of noise)... which is a lot like the symptoms you
>>>seem to be experiencing.  A bad wire between one computer and the
>>>router would not affect a different computer and the router (and
>>>internet).
>>>
>> I changed the cable for one known to be good. Same result. If I select
>> automatic IP address I get no connection at all, if I use a static IP
>> I get network but no Internet.
>>
>> I have tried all the suggestions on the page to which Jack (MS,
>> MVP-Networking) directed me including downloading the programs and
>> running them. All of them resulted in the same situation.
>>
>> Thanks so far. Do you have any other suggestions? This has got to be
>> something simple but I do not have the network experience to spot it.
>> --
>> Regards
>> David
>> fundamentalism (n.): fund = give cash to; amentalism = brainlessness
>
>Probably off the wall and irrelevant:
>Are any (or all) the cables you've recently been playing with/changed
>crossover cables?

>
>On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:10:11 +0930, David <farook***@picknowl.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>I changed the cable for one known to be good. Same result. If I select
>>automatic IP address I get no connection at all, if I use a static IP
>>I get network but no Internet.
>
>You might try rebooting and typing
>"netsh winsock reset catalog" at a command prompt.
>
>To get on the Internet with a static address, you also need to enter
>gateway and dns information. Enter the router's ip addess as default
>gateway and the router's ip address or your isp's nameserver address
>in the dns settings.
>