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File Sharing in a Peer to Peer NetworkPeer Network. I have 10 Windows/XP computers networked together -some of them are allocated to Staff, others are Guest machines. I need the Staff machines to be able to share files and I need those shared files to be inaccessible (and preferably not visible) to the Guest machines. My starting point was to disable Simple File Sharing so that I could use the user level permissions. (Simple File Sharing does work in this configuration, but I would like more access control at a user or machine or workgroup level.) When I try to set permissions, the Shared Document Properties shows me local objects only, not other machines/users on the network i.e. in Permissions/Add/Select Users or Groups, I am not able to select anything other than the local machine. Can someone oint me in the right direction? Thanks. . . Tony N. TonyN wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Hello Everyone: I am trying to implement file sharing in a Windows/XP Peer At this point you should consider buying an entry-level server and setting> to Peer Network. I have 10 Windows/XP computers networked together -some > of them are allocated to Staff, others are Guest machines. I need the > Staff machines to be able to share files and I need those shared files to > be inaccessible (and preferably not visible) to the Guest machines. > > My starting point was to disable Simple File Sharing so that I could use > the user level permissions. (Simple File Sharing does work in this > configuration, but I would like more access control at a user or machine > or workgroup level.) When I try to set permissions, the Shared Document > Properties shows me local objects only, not other machines/users on the > network i.e. in Permissions/Add/Select Users or Groups, I am not able to > select anything other than the local machine. > > Can someone oint me in the right direction? up a domain. That will really be the easiest and best way to control access globally from a central location (the server). You do not control access by machine; you do it by user permissions as you originally thought. Another alternative to the domain is to simply put the Guest machines on their own network. If you want them to have Internet access, you'll need to purchase a second account from your Internet Service Provider. Set up the router for that connection to have a different subnet from your Staff machines. If the Guest machines don't need Internet access, then just buy a switch and set them up with static IP addresses on the separate subnet. IOW, if your Staff is on 192.168.1.xxx, put Guests on 10.0.0.xxx. Malke On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:29:01 -0700, TonyN
<To***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >Hello Everyone: I am trying to implement file sharing in a Windows/XP Peer to In a workgroup network, you can only specify permissions for a user>Peer Network. I have 10 Windows/XP computers networked together -some of them >are allocated to Staff, others are Guest machines. I need the Staff machines >to be able to share files and I need those shared files to be inaccessible >(and preferably not visible) to the Guest machines. > >My starting point was to disable Simple File Sharing so that I could use the >user level permissions. (Simple File Sharing does work in this configuration, >but I would like more access control at a user or machine or workgroup >level.) When I try to set permissions, the Shared Document Properties shows >me local objects only, not other machines/users on the network i.e. in >Permissions/Add/Select Users or Groups, I am not able to select anything >other than the local machine. > >Can someone oint me in the right direction? > >Thanks. . . > >Tony N. account that exists on the local computer. That's OK, because those permissions apply to matching user accounts that exist on other computers. So by defining account(s) with the same user name(s) and password(s) on all of the staff computers, you can do what you want. Ron Lowe and I have written a web page with details: Windows XP Professional File Sharing http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Malke and Steve: Many thanks for your replies to my question about file
sharing. Would either of you be able to give me a quick tutorial about the difference between Workgroups and Domains, and any related considerations in a configuration of this size (10 workstations). Thanks. . . Tony N. Show quoteHide quote "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]" wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:29:01 -0700, TonyN > <To***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Hello Everyone: I am trying to implement file sharing in a Windows/XP Peer to > >Peer Network. I have 10 Windows/XP computers networked together -some of them > >are allocated to Staff, others are Guest machines. I need the Staff machines > >to be able to share files and I need those shared files to be inaccessible > >(and preferably not visible) to the Guest machines. > > > >My starting point was to disable Simple File Sharing so that I could use the > >user level permissions. (Simple File Sharing does work in this configuration, > >but I would like more access control at a user or machine or workgroup > >level.) When I try to set permissions, the Shared Document Properties shows > >me local objects only, not other machines/users on the network i.e. in > >Permissions/Add/Select Users or Groups, I am not able to select anything > >other than the local machine. > > > >Can someone oint me in the right direction? > > > >Thanks. . . > > > >Tony N. > > In a workgroup network, you can only specify permissions for a user > account that exists on the local computer. That's OK, because those > permissions apply to matching user accounts that exist on other > computers. So by defining account(s) with the same user name(s) and > password(s) on all of the staff computers, you can do what you want. > Ron Lowe and I have written a web page with details: > > Windows XP Professional File Sharing > http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm > -- > Best Wishes, > Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) > > Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com > TonyN wrote:
> Malke and Steve: Many thanks for your replies to my question about file Very quickly (because domains are a complicated subject):> sharing. Would either of you be able to give me a quick tutorial about the > difference between Workgroups and Domains, and any related considerations > in a configuration of this size (10 workstations). A domain is created when you have a machine running a server operating system which you have made the domain controller and are using Active Directory. All permissions/restrictions on the users and workstations are set on the server. The advantage is that you can manage all your users and workstations from one central location instead of having to go to each workstation individually. You can set very fine-grained permissions and restrictions on users and groups of users, push out updates, virus definitions, host programs, have the data in one location for easy backup (no data should be on the workstations). Domains are very cool. The downside of having a domain is that you have to learn something new. ;-) With such a small network, it isn't that complicated though. Here are a few links to get you started: Great resource - http://www.petri.co.il/ Windows Essential Business Server for small companies (I haven't tried this yet, it's pretty new) http://www.microsoft.com/ebs/en/us/default.aspx Windows Small Business Server http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/default.aspx A Workgroup is a collection of networked computers. They are all equal, hence the term "peer-to-peer". They can share resources but each workstation is managed individually. One thing I should also point out is that there is a limitation on inbound concurrent connections with Windows XP/Vista that you may bump into if one of the workstations is acting as a "pseudo-server", acting as a file/application server. The limitations is on the number of connections, not the number of computers and one computer can (and usually does) make more than one connection to the pseudo-server. XP Home has a 5-connection limitation and XP Pro has a 10-connection limitation. Inbound connections limit in XP - http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314882 5 - XP Home/Vista Home Basic 10 - Vista Home Premium/Vista Ultimate/XP Pro 74 - SBS 2003 (I don't know if this has changed in SBS 2008) Unlimited for full Server OSes A good rule of thumb is that if you have a pseudo-server and 7 or more workstations, it's time to consider a server - not just because of the inbound connections limitation but because of the time needed to administer all those workstations individually. Malke Malke: Thanks for the additional information on Workgroups and Domains, and
the reference links - lots to think about. (I'll try not to panic!) Regards. . . Show quoteHide quote "Malke" wrote: > TonyN wrote: > > > Malke and Steve: Many thanks for your replies to my question about file > > sharing. Would either of you be able to give me a quick tutorial about the > > difference between Workgroups and Domains, and any related considerations > > in a configuration of this size (10 workstations). > > Very quickly (because domains are a complicated subject): > > A domain is created when you have a machine running a server operating > system which you have made the domain controller and are using Active > Directory. All permissions/restrictions on the users and workstations are > set on the server. The advantage is that you can manage all your users and > workstations from one central location instead of having to go to each > workstation individually. You can set very fine-grained permissions and > restrictions on users and groups of users, push out updates, virus > definitions, host programs, have the data in one location for easy backup > (no data should be on the workstations). Domains are very cool. The > downside of having a domain is that you have to learn something new. ;-) > With such a small network, it isn't that complicated though. Here are a few > links to get you started: > > Great resource - http://www.petri.co.il/ > > Windows Essential Business Server for small companies (I haven't tried this > yet, it's pretty new) http://www.microsoft.com/ebs/en/us/default.aspx > > Windows Small Business Server > http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/default.aspx > > A Workgroup is a collection of networked computers. They are all equal, > hence the term "peer-to-peer". They can share resources but each > workstation is managed individually. One thing I should also point out is > that there is a limitation on inbound concurrent connections with Windows > XP/Vista that you may bump into if one of the workstations is acting as a > "pseudo-server", acting as a file/application server. The limitations is on > the number of connections, not the number of computers and one computer can > (and usually does) make more than one connection to the pseudo-server. XP > Home has a 5-connection limitation and XP Pro has a 10-connection > limitation. > > Inbound connections limit in XP - http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314882 > > 5 - XP Home/Vista Home Basic > 10 - Vista Home Premium/Vista Ultimate/XP Pro > 74 - SBS 2003 (I don't know if this has changed in SBS 2008) > Unlimited for full Server OSes > > A good rule of thumb is that if you have a pseudo-server and 7 or more > workstations, it's time to consider a server - not just because of the > inbound connections limitation but because of the time needed to administer > all those workstations individually. > > Malke > -- > MS-MVP > Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ > > TonyN wrote:
> Malke: Thanks for the additional information on Workgroups and Domains, You're welcome. And there's certainly no need to panic. Since you have a> and the reference links - lots to think about. (I'll try not to panic!) business, if you are considering a domain you might also consider hiring an outside computer tech to set it up for you (unless you are the IT guy and need to know this stuff). Time management, you know. Don't use a BigComputerStore/GeekSquad type of place. Cheers, Malke "TonyN" <To***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message In addition to Malke's comprehensive advice (as usual), if cost is a news:769BAB6F-AC8E-4734-97C4-62F4F9CD1ADF@microsoft.com... > Malke: Thanks for the additional information on Workgroups and Domains, > and > the reference links - lots to think about. (I'll try not to panic!) > criteria you might look at a Linux server....
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