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Ethernet (modem/router) + Wireless Connection ??port. I want to use this to connect to the ethernet. ALSO I have an external hard disk connected to a wireless router. However, using both at the same time...... If I have the wireless disconnected, I can see the internet. Once I enable the wireless - I can see my external disk - but I can no longer see the internet (the ethernet port is OK i.e. active). I guess the problem is that I seem to have two "gateways" and this is confusing XP ? As soon as I turn the wireless off - I can see the internet again via the ethernet connected modem. Any clues please as to how I can get both working ?? Thanks. -- Phil Hi
You probably configured the Network Drive and the Wireless on a different subnet. Example, Router and Wire 192.168.1.x, Wireless and Network Drive 192.168.200.x Make sure that all the Network devices are configured on the same Subnet. 192.168.NNN.x (NNN=subnet number). Jack (MVP-Networking). Show quoteHide quote "phil" <p***@philandlaura.com> wrote in message news:1153999420.752019.186120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... >I have an ADSL router/modem that is connected to my PC via the ethernet > port. I want to use this to connect to the ethernet. > > ALSO I have an external hard disk connected to a wireless router. > > However, using both at the same time...... > > If I have the wireless disconnected, I can see the internet. > > Once I enable the wireless - I can see my external disk - but I can no > longer see the internet > (the ethernet port is OK i.e. active). > > I guess the problem is that I seem to have two "gateways" and this is > confusing XP ? > > As soon as I turn the wireless off - I can see the internet again via > the ethernet connected modem. > > Any clues please as to how I can get both working ?? > > Thanks. > > -- > Phil >
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"Jack" <J***@DiscussionGrouo.com> wrote in message More like the other way around - the OP has two separate networks.news:OAPPihYsGHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > "phil" <p***@philandlaura.com> wrote in message > news:1153999420.752019.186120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... >>I have an ADSL router/modem that is connected to my PC via the ethernet >> port. I want to use this to connect to the ethernet. >> >> ALSO I have an external hard disk connected to a wireless router. >> >> However, using both at the same time...... >> >> If I have the wireless disconnected, I can see the internet. >> >> Once I enable the wireless - I can see my external disk - but I can no >> longer see the internet >> (the ethernet port is OK i.e. active). >> >> I guess the problem is that I seem to have two "gateways" and this is >> confusing XP ? >> >> As soon as I turn the wireless off - I can see the internet again via >> the ethernet connected modem. >> >> Any clues please as to how I can get both working ?? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Phil > Hi > > You probably configured the Network Drive and the Wireless on a different > subnet. > > Example, Router and Wire 192.168.1.x, Wireless and Network Drive > 192.168.200.x > > Make sure that all the Network devices are configured on the same Subnet. > > 192.168.NNN.x (NNN=subnet number). > > Jack (MVP-Networking). The wireless network for the internet connection and a separate wired one for access to the NAS drive. If the wireless router is set with the same IP range of the network hard disk, then the PC won't know where to route the traffic as there are then two network cards (wired and wireless) that look like they are on the same network. The OP needs to do one of two things. Change the IP address of the external hard disk, or connect the hard disk to the wireless router (But still may have to change the IP of this, if it clashes with the router. OP - when the wireless is on, and you can connect to the internet, what is the IP address of the PC? (Start, Run, type in cmd and press OK type ipconfig and tell us the IP address displayed here Now do the same with the wired connected, and the wireless tuned off. Sparks... Thanks for reply.....I think you are very much on the right track...
(just one thing - the hard-disk is connected to the wireless modem/router) With wireless off (all works): IP address 192.168.1.2 Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway 192.168.1.1 The above defualt gateway is correct - this is my modem/router that the PC is connected to via ethernet. However, when I connect the wireless.... IP address 192.168.0.2 Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway 192.168.0.4 The Gateway IP address is now the wireless router - this is NOT connected to the internet, just the hard disk. Also PC IP address has changed. So - how do I keep the Default Gateway address constant ???? Thanks for help. Going nuts. -- Show quoteHide quoteP Sparks wrote: > "Jack" <J***@DiscussionGrouo.com> wrote in message > news:OAPPihYsGHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > > "phil" <p***@philandlaura.com> wrote in message > > news:1153999420.752019.186120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > >>I have an ADSL router/modem that is connected to my PC via the ethernet > >> port. I want to use this to connect to the ethernet. > >> > >> ALSO I have an external hard disk connected to a wireless router. > >> > >> However, using both at the same time...... > >> > >> If I have the wireless disconnected, I can see the internet. > >> > >> Once I enable the wireless - I can see my external disk - but I can no > >> longer see the internet > >> (the ethernet port is OK i.e. active). > >> > >> I guess the problem is that I seem to have two "gateways" and this is > >> confusing XP ? > >> > >> As soon as I turn the wireless off - I can see the internet again via > >> the ethernet connected modem. > >> > >> Any clues please as to how I can get both working ?? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> Phil > > > Hi > > > > You probably configured the Network Drive and the Wireless on a different > > subnet. > > > > Example, Router and Wire 192.168.1.x, Wireless and Network Drive > > 192.168.200.x > > > > Make sure that all the Network devices are configured on the same Subnet. > > > > 192.168.NNN.x (NNN=subnet number). > > > > Jack (MVP-Networking). > > More like the other way around - the OP has two separate networks. > The wireless network for the internet connection and a separate wired one > for access to the NAS drive. > > If the wireless router is set with the same IP range of the network hard > disk, then the PC won't know where to route the traffic as there are then > two network cards (wired and wireless) that look like they are on the same > network. > > The OP needs to do one of two things. > > Change the IP address of the external hard disk, or connect the hard disk to > the wireless router (But still may have to change the IP of this, if it > clashes with the router. > > OP - when the wireless is on, and you can connect to the internet, what is > the IP address of the PC? > (Start, Run, type in cmd and press OK > type ipconfig and tell us the IP address displayed here > > Now do the same with the wired connected, and the wireless tuned off. > > Sparks... Thanks for reply.....I think you are very much on the right track...
(just one thing - the hard-disk is connected to the wireless modem/router) With wireless off (all works): IP address 192.168.1.2 Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway 192.168.1.1 The above defualt gateway is correct - this is my modem/router that the PC is connected to via ethernet. However, when I connect the wireless.... IP address 192.168.0.2 Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway 192.168.0.4 The Gateway IP address is now the wireless router - this is NOT connected to the internet, just the hard disk. Also PC IP address has changed. So - how do I keep the Default Gateway address constant ???? Thanks for help. Going nuts. -- Show quoteHide quoteP Sparks wrote: > "Jack" <J***@DiscussionGrouo.com> wrote in message > news:OAPPihYsGHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > > "phil" <p***@philandlaura.com> wrote in message > > news:1153999420.752019.186120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > >>I have an ADSL router/modem that is connected to my PC via the ethernet > >> port. I want to use this to connect to the ethernet. > >> > >> ALSO I have an external hard disk connected to a wireless router. > >> > >> However, using both at the same time...... > >> > >> If I have the wireless disconnected, I can see the internet. > >> > >> Once I enable the wireless - I can see my external disk - but I can no > >> longer see the internet > >> (the ethernet port is OK i.e. active). > >> > >> I guess the problem is that I seem to have two "gateways" and this is > >> confusing XP ? > >> > >> As soon as I turn the wireless off - I can see the internet again via > >> the ethernet connected modem. > >> > >> Any clues please as to how I can get both working ?? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> -- > >> Phil > > > Hi > > > > You probably configured the Network Drive and the Wireless on a different > > subnet. > > > > Example, Router and Wire 192.168.1.x, Wireless and Network Drive > > 192.168.200.x > > > > Make sure that all the Network devices are configured on the same Subnet. > > > > 192.168.NNN.x (NNN=subnet number). > > > > Jack (MVP-Networking). > > More like the other way around - the OP has two separate networks. > The wireless network for the internet connection and a separate wired one > for access to the NAS drive. > > If the wireless router is set with the same IP range of the network hard > disk, then the PC won't know where to route the traffic as there are then > two network cards (wired and wireless) that look like they are on the same > network. > > The OP needs to do one of two things. > > Change the IP address of the external hard disk, or connect the hard disk to > the wireless router (But still may have to change the IP of this, if it > clashes with the router. > > OP - when the wireless is on, and you can connect to the internet, what is > the IP address of the PC? > (Start, Run, type in cmd and press OK > type ipconfig and tell us the IP address displayed here > > Now do the same with the wired connected, and the wireless tuned off. > > Sparks... phil wrote:
> Thanks for reply.....I think you are very much on the right track... There's your problem. What you need is for the NAS box to be connected> (just one thing - the hard-disk is connected to the wireless > modem/router) to a wireless bridge (often called 'game adaptors' - they're an RJ45 to wireless gateway, and turn a wired client into a wireless one) which in turn connects to a wireless access point (note: *not* a router) on your main network. You *can* achieve what you're looking for with a wireless router, but it's not easy. Nor is it guaranteed to work. Sell the router and use the money to buy a wireless bridge and a wireless access point. Alternatively, sell *both* routers and buy a wireless modem/router with built-in switch (for your internet connection) and a wireless bridge (to connect the NAS to the network). -- Gareth Halfacree http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk "If Ace Books ever came out with an edition of The Bible, both books would be edited down to 40,000 words, and they'd be renamed "Master of Chaos" and "The Thing With Three Souls." - Terry Carr could he turn the DHCP off on router and set its IP manually for router from
192.168.0.2 to e.g. 192.168.1.5 and set his network hard drive manually to IP to 192.168.1.6 and let his router/modem set IP as it does now for his other couple of PC's etc. Show quoteHide quote "phil" <p***@philandlaura.com> wrote in message news:1154019481.113120.107020@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Thanks for reply.....I think you are very much on the right track... > (just one thing - the hard-disk is connected to the wireless > modem/router) > > With wireless off (all works): > > IP address 192.168.1.2 > Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 > Default Gateway 192.168.1.1 > > The above defualt gateway is correct - this is my modem/router that the > PC is connected to via ethernet. > > However, when I connect the wireless.... > > IP address 192.168.0.2 > Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 > Default Gateway 192.168.0.4 > > The Gateway IP address is now the wireless router - this is NOT > connected to the internet, just the hard disk. Also PC IP address has > changed. > > So - how do I keep the Default Gateway address constant ???? > > Thanks for help. Going nuts. > > -- > P > Sparks wrote: >> "Jack" <J***@DiscussionGrouo.com> wrote in message >> news:OAPPihYsGHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> > >> > "phil" <p***@philandlaura.com> wrote in message >> > news:1153999420.752019.186120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... >> >>I have an ADSL router/modem that is connected to my PC via the ethernet >> >> port. I want to use this to connect to the ethernet. >> >> >> >> ALSO I have an external hard disk connected to a wireless router. >> >> >> >> However, using both at the same time...... >> >> >> >> If I have the wireless disconnected, I can see the internet. >> >> >> >> Once I enable the wireless - I can see my external disk - but I can no >> >> longer see the internet >> >> (the ethernet port is OK i.e. active). >> >> >> >> I guess the problem is that I seem to have two "gateways" and this is >> >> confusing XP ? >> >> >> >> As soon as I turn the wireless off - I can see the internet again via >> >> the ethernet connected modem. >> >> >> >> Any clues please as to how I can get both working ?? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Phil >> >> > Hi >> > >> > You probably configured the Network Drive and the Wireless on a >> > different >> > subnet. >> > >> > Example, Router and Wire 192.168.1.x, Wireless and Network Drive >> > 192.168.200.x >> > >> > Make sure that all the Network devices are configured on the same >> > Subnet. >> > >> > 192.168.NNN.x (NNN=subnet number). >> > >> > Jack (MVP-Networking). >> >> More like the other way around - the OP has two separate networks. >> The wireless network for the internet connection and a separate wired one >> for access to the NAS drive. >> >> If the wireless router is set with the same IP range of the network hard >> disk, then the PC won't know where to route the traffic as there are then >> two network cards (wired and wireless) that look like they are on the >> same >> network. >> >> The OP needs to do one of two things. >> >> Change the IP address of the external hard disk, or connect the hard disk >> to >> the wireless router (But still may have to change the IP of this, if it >> clashes with the router. >> >> OP - when the wireless is on, and you can connect to the internet, what >> is >> the IP address of the PC? >> (Start, Run, type in cmd and press OK >> type ipconfig and tell us the IP address displayed here >> >> Now do the same with the wired connected, and the wireless tuned off. >> >> Sparks... > Well I have a similiar configuration:
Cable Modem -> (WAN Port) Router 1(LAN1 port) -> (WAN Port) Router 2 I have been trying to get this configured correctly yet untill now no succes. What I've heard and read this setup is difficult to configure because of the double NAT (2 gateways). Some say it's impossible (I say "challenge", I h8 the word "impossible" :-) As you connect this way some say it will give deteriorated performance in relation to the total "internet" bandwith for the connected devices on the 2nd router. With this way I mean from lan to wan. As I will endure the possible loss of bandwith in exchange for the abillity to use the routerfunction instead of making it into a dumb switch when connecting LAN to LAN. And for keeping all 4 LAN ports available for use. I have tried a few things among the one mentoined above yet when doing this I have to shut down the DHCP server abillity of the first router altogether and I don't want that :-( Another thing I tried which I thought would have the best change is to use the DHCP servers on both routers yet set the DHCP ranges outside each others range e.g. for the 1st router: 192.168.1.1 as IP for DHCP server and range 192.168.1.2 up to 192.168.1.50 and the 2nd router: 192.168.1.100 as IP and range 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150 Yet when I do this the connected pcs on the second router can't connect to the internet and when I look at the first routers attached devices I see that the 2nd router has been given IP 192.168.1.100 (the private IP for the DHCP on router 2), router 1 should have given the router 192.168.1.3 yet as the logs shows it doesn't do that :-s Does anyone have any suggestions why this happens? For ppl looking for an easy fix and don't mind that the $xx router is working as a $x switch and can suffer the LAN port on the 2nd router, just connect router1 lan1 port to lan1 on router 2 with a cross cable (most SOHO routers don't have DMX on the lan ports only on the wan port). This should also fix and sharing problems between any of the connected devices. The 2nd router would work as a router but as a switch/hub. Ciao MrDotwood 
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