"Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this access
>point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of seconds the
>first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless connection to
>the access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data but does not
>receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the gateway all
>packets are lost.
>
> When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
> installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems after
> a few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2
> installed). Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong
> signal). However no data is received anymore.
>
> I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an access
> point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the network is
> currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a few other
> wireless networks around me.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Boris
>

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> Hmm it sounds to me like you are using static addressing, and have
> assigned both laptops the same IP address.
>
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> "Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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>>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this
>>access point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of
>>seconds the first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless
>>connection to the access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data
>>but does not receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the
>>gateway all packets are lost.
>>
>> When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
>> installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems
>> after a few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2
>> installed). Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong
>> signal). However no data is received anymore.
>>
>> I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an
>> access point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the
>> network is currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a
>> few other wireless networks around me.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Boris
>>
>
>

> [...] * DHCP is enabled.
> * The two laptops have differenct MAC addresses.
> * The access point is connected with an Ethernet cable to a ADSL
> modem - actually a set top box. See
> http://www.homechoice.co.uk/overview/set_top_box.html. This set top
> box isn't mine and wasn't configured by me. I just plugged in the
> access point to the port called "network" and all worked until I
> started a second laptop. * The IP address of laptop #1 is
> 89.168.23.181 currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway:
> 89.168.23.254 * The IP address of laptop #2 is 89.168.24.165
> currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway: 89.168.31.254
> * The IP addresses of the DHCP and DNS servers are the same.
>
> What I don't understand is why the IP address of the gateway is not
> the same. Could this be a problem?

"Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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> Boris wrote:
>> [...] * DHCP is enabled.
>> * The two laptops have differenct MAC addresses.
>> * The access point is connected with an Ethernet cable to a ADSL
>> modem - actually a set top box. See
>> http://www.homechoice.co.uk/overview/set_top_box.html. This set top
>> box isn't mine and wasn't configured by me. I just plugged in the
>> access point to the port called "network" and all worked until I
>> started a second laptop. * The IP address of laptop #1 is
>> 89.168.23.181 currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway:
>> 89.168.23.254 * The IP address of laptop #2 is 89.168.24.165
>> currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway: 89.168.31.254
>> * The IP addresses of the DHCP and DNS servers are the same.
>>
>> What I don't understand is why the IP address of the gateway is not
>> the same. Could this be a problem?
>
> After browsing the website of HomeChoice which seems to be the provider
> here where I am I found this on
> http://www.homechoice.co.uk/faq/IfIgetwirelessbroadbandcanIuseitonmorethanonecomputer.html:
> "You can connect up to three desktop computers without using wires."
>
> Can someone explain what that means? Where does this limit come from? Can
> they configure something on their end that you can't connect more than
> three desktop computers? If there is such a limit and as I simply plugged
> in my own access point - is it possible that their connection is
> configured for one desktop computer by default (the website says something
> that *they* can provide wireless access; maybe they change the limit then
> once they can charge money for it)?
>
> Boris
>

> From what you've posted, it appears to me that your DHCP server is NOT
> working in the Netgear WG602 box. You should be getting an address in
> the 192.168.xxx.xxx range generally 192.168.0.xxx and the netgear
> would be at 192.168.0.1. What appears to be happening is you're
> pulling and address from the ADSL modem. And if that is indeed what is
> happening then yes the
> network can limit how many computers can connect.
>
> Sorry I just did a search on you Netgear WG602 it is a Wireless access
> point, not a wireless router, that means the netgear doesn't have a
> DHCP server in it. That it is not the correct thing for your needs.
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/WirelessAccessPoints/WirelessAccessPoints/WG602.aspx
> I should have done that first. You don't have the hardware that you
> need. What you need/want is something along the lines of the KWGR614
> wireless
> router.

"Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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> David Hettel wrote:
>> From what you've posted, it appears to me that your DHCP server is NOT
>> working in the Netgear WG602 box. You should be getting an address in
>> the 192.168.xxx.xxx range generally 192.168.0.xxx and the netgear
>> would be at 192.168.0.1. What appears to be happening is you're
>> pulling and address from the ADSL modem. And if that is indeed what is
>> happening then yes the
>> network can limit how many computers can connect.
>>
>> Sorry I just did a search on you Netgear WG602 it is a Wireless access
>> point, not a wireless router, that means the netgear doesn't have a
>> DHCP server in it. That it is not the correct thing for your needs.
>> http://www.netgear.com/Products/WirelessAccessPoints/WirelessAccessPoints/WG602.aspx
>> I should have done that first. You don't have the hardware that you
>> need. What you need/want is something along the lines of the KWGR614
>> wireless
>> router.
>
> I just looked up the documentation to be sure: You are right, the WG602
> has DHCP *client* support. However I actually don't care as the laptops do
> get different IP addresses? That said everything should still work fine no
> matter from which DHCP server the IP addresses come from? From what I
> understand now the restriction is an articifial one coming from the
> provider?
>
> Boris
>

> [...]

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:15:08 -0000, "Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in
> <4s1lbtFtmpn***@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>David Hettel wrote:
>>> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
>>> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
>>> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
>>> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
>>> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
>>
>>Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
>>should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
>
> No, since the access point is just a bridge, not a router.  The IP
> assigned to the AP is used only for the web management interface.
>
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>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:15:08 -0000, "Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in
>> <4s1lbtFtmpn***@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>>David Hettel wrote:
>>>> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
>>>> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
>>>> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
>>>> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
>>>> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
>>>
>>>Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
>>>should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
>>
>> No, since the access point is just a bridge, not a router.  The IP
>> assigned to the AP is used only for the web management interface.

>>In a peer to peer Network with No Internet connection there is No need for a
>>Router, and thus No credible DHCP, so the AP has one to assign an IP to the
>>Wireless client.
>
>Again, not true -- the AP is just a bridge, and so has no role in IP
>assignment, like any other network bridge.  IP assignment is typically
>done by a DHCP server on the network or manually.
>
>>Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
>Perhaps you should drop the credential claim.
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:15:08 -0000, "Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in
>>> <4s1lbtFtmpn***@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>>David Hettel wrote:
>>>>> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
>>>>> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
>>>>> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
>>>>> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
>>>>> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
>>>>
>>>>Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
>>>>should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
>>>
>>> No, since the access point is just a bridge, not a router.  The IP
>>> assigned to the AP is used only for the web management interface.

>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this access
>point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of seconds the
>first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless connection to the
>access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data but does not
>receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the gateway all
>packets are lost.
>
>When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
>installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems after a
>few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2 installed).
>Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong signal).
>However no data is received anymore.
>
>I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an access
>point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the network is
>currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a few other
>wireless networks around me.

>Boris wrote:
>> [...] I switched off all security functions and made sure SSID is
>> broadcast. The SSID is unique, too. I also use DHCP and no static IP
>> addresses. Again only one of the two connected laptops could actually
>> use the Internet.
>> There doesn't seem to be any problem with the wireless connections
>> themselves. While one laptop is used to browse the Internet the other
>> laptop can talk to the webserver in the access point (for remote
>> configuring). However both laptops browsing the Internet at the same
>> time is not possible.
>> Could this be a problem caused by the router and/or Internet
>> provider? The access point itself has been patched to the latest
>> firmware.
>
>I forgot to add that I changed the channel from 10 to 1 for testing
>purposes. However I couldn't find then the wireless network anymore - it
>didn't show up in WZC. I had to connect to the access point with an Ethernet
>cable to change the channel again as the network had completely disappeared.

>John Navas wrote:
>> [...]
>> Try it with *all* security (WPA, MAC filtering, etc.) disabled.  Make
>> sure SSID broadcast is enabled, and is a *unique* value.  Best to
>> start with the access point reset to factory default settings, with
>> just the SSID changed.
>
>I switched off all security functions and made sure SSID is broadcast. The
>SSID is unique, too. I also use DHCP and no static IP addresses. Again only
>one of the two connected laptops could actually use the Internet.
>
>There doesn't seem to be any problem with the wireless connections
>themselves. While one laptop is used to browse the Internet the other laptop
>can talk to the webserver in the access point (for remote configuring).
>However both laptops browsing the Internet at the same time is not possible.
>
>Could this be a problem caused by the router and/or Internet provider? The
>access point itself has been patched to the latest firmware.

"Boris" <bo***@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this access
>point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of seconds the
>first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless connection to
>the access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data but does not
>receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the gateway all
>packets are lost.
>
> When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
> installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems after
> a few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2
> installed). Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong
> signal). However no data is received anymore.
>
> I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an access
> point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the network is
> currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a few other
> wireless networks around me.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Boris
>