"Lem" wrote:

> Philip Dawson wrote:
> > Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless access point,
> > which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a laptop
> > (windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to the
> > wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range. the
> > wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I also have
> > an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that either.is
> > there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
>
> How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
> See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router, or
> an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
>
> --
> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>

"Philip Dawson" wrote:

> under network connections, I right clicked on the wireless icon and clicked
> "enable"
>
> "Lem" wrote:
>
> > Philip Dawson wrote:
> > > Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless access point,
> > > which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a laptop
> > > (windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to the
> > > wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range. the
> > > wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I also have
> > > an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that either.is
> > > there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
> >
> > How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
> > See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router, or
> > an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
> >
> > --
> > Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
> >
> > To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> >

> Ichecked the article you gave a link to, it suggests if a programme is
> installed to manage a wireless network adapter, then one must use this and
> cannot use windows netowrk connections to manage the network. I tried in a
> second laptop and when using windows network to view available networks got
> the eror message-windows cant configure this device, if you have software
> installed use that! I opened the intel proset software in that win XP laptop
> and it connects fine. When I open windows network connection in the laptop in
> question it just says there are no available networks. I closed that and
> opened the intel proset software and the computer crashed! Connecting this
> computer to the LAN via PCMCIA network card it sees the network ok and it
> "pings" the router ok, I can explore the network, but internet explorer
> freezes, so I suspect there is a problem setting there that may also be
> affecting the wireless. Do I need to disable the windows zero configuration
> utility?
>
> "Philip Dawson" wrote:
>
>> under network connections, I right clicked on the wireless icon and clicked
>> "enable"
>>
>> "Lem" wrote:
>>
>>> Philip Dawson wrote:
>>>> Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless access point,
>>>> which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a laptop
>>>> (windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to the
>>>> wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range. the
>>>> wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I also have
>>>> an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that either.is
>>>> there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
>>> How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
>>> See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router, or
>>> an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>>
>>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>>

"Lem" wrote:

> Philip Dawson wrote:
> > Ichecked the article you gave a link to, it suggests if a programme is
> > installed to manage a wireless network adapter, then one must use this and
> > cannot use windows netowrk connections to manage the network. I tried in a
> > second laptop and when using windows network to view available networks got
> > the eror message-windows cant configure this device, if you have software
> > installed use that! I opened the intel proset software in that win XP laptop
> > and it connects fine. When I open windows network connection in the laptop in
> > question it just says there are no available networks. I closed that and
> > opened the intel proset software and the computer crashed! Connecting this
> > computer to the LAN via PCMCIA network card it sees the network ok and it
> > "pings" the router ok, I can explore the network, but internet explorer
> > freezes, so I suspect there is a problem setting there that may also be
> > affecting the wireless. Do I need to disable the windows zero configuration
> > utility?
> >
> > "Philip Dawson" wrote:
> >
> >> under network connections, I right clicked on the wireless icon and clicked
> >> "enable"
> >>
> >> "Lem" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Philip Dawson wrote:
> >>>> Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless access point,
> >>>> which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a laptop
> >>>> (windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to the
> >>>> wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range. the
> >>>> wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I also have
> >>>> an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that either.is
> >>>> there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
> >>> How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
> >>> See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router, or
> >>> an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
> >>>
> >>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> >>>
>
> Two comments:
> 1.  You can either use the mfr's utility (Intel PROSet) OR Windows
> Wireless Zero Configuration, but you can't use both -- at the same time.
>    That's what the part highlighted in yellow means   So, if you want to
> use the Intel utility, then yes, you have to disable WZC.
>
> 2.  More to the point, the very first sentence in Jack's article is:
> "Many new Laptops come with a physical switch that disables the Wireless
> (helps to save battery power if the Wireless is not working)."  Just
> clicking "enable" in Network Connections will not turn the radio on if
> it is off.  You need to check the User Guide for your laptop to find out
> if there is a physical switch or a key combination (usually Fn + Fx)
> that turns the wireless NIC radio on and off.
>
> (If I understand you correctly, the problem laptop has an internal
> wireless NIC -- which you have not been able to get to see any wireless
> networks; and you also tried using a PCMCIA wireless adapter in that
> laptop, and in this case you can see the networks but have other
> problems.  If I've misunderstood and the laptop does NOT have built in
> wifi, then disregard point 2 above).
>
> --
> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>

"Philip Dawson" <PhilipDaw***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5FCF5648-DA68-46D1-9741-6A980DD4E179@microsoft.com...
> no, I have a laptop at home runing windows 98SE which has the lingsys
> WPC54G
> wireless PCMCIA adapter correctly installed, but it cant see any wireless
> networks. I took one of the work laptops home which has the onboard intel
> wireless. This had been disable as wireless is too slow at work. It was
> disabled by righ clicking the adapter in network explorer and "disable"
> and
> when I tried to renable it refused with the error message about the
> switch.
> There is no switch. i have contacted pioneer who will send me the key
> combo,
> but as I didnt use that to disable i doubt that is the problem. Prior to
> disabling windows zero config utility on this laptop the wireless adapter
> was
> working, properly installed but couldnt see our network access point. The
> other (identical)laptop at work can see the network access point and
> connect,
> it has the intel proset software, and i see that windows zero config
> utility
> is enabled automatically at startup. The link you posted says some
> wireless
> proprietary software will automatically disable zero config IF NECESSARY,
> and
> since the intel software hasnt disabled it (and neither has the linksys
> software on my win 98SElaptop) and since the laptop I did disable it has
> lost
> its wireless I think it musnt be necessary in these cases! I see linksys
> has
> a new driver so will try that on the win 98 laptop, although not sure why
> a
> new driver would work better with an old OS.
>
> "Lem" wrote:
>
>> Philip Dawson wrote:
>> > Ichecked the article you gave a link to, it suggests if a programme is
>> > installed to manage a wireless network adapter, then one must use this
>> > and
>> > cannot use windows netowrk connections to manage the network. I tried
>> > in a
>> > second laptop and when using windows network to view available networks
>> > got
>> > the eror message-windows cant configure this device, if you have
>> > software
>> > installed use that! I opened the intel proset software in that win XP
>> > laptop
>> > and it connects fine. When I open windows network connection in the
>> > laptop in
>> > question it just says there are no available networks. I closed that
>> > and
>> > opened the intel proset software and the computer crashed! Connecting
>> > this
>> > computer to the LAN via PCMCIA network card it sees the network ok and
>> > it
>> > "pings" the router ok, I can explore the network, but internet explorer
>> > freezes, so I suspect there is a problem setting there that may also be
>> > affecting the wireless. Do I need to disable the windows zero
>> > configuration
>> > utility?
>> >
>> > "Philip Dawson" wrote:
>> >
>> >> under network connections, I right clicked on the wireless icon and
>> >> clicked
>> >> "enable"
>> >>
>> >> "Lem" wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Philip Dawson wrote:
>> >>>> Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless
>> >>>> access point,
>> >>>> which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a
>> >>>> laptop
>> >>>> (windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range.
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I
>> >>>> also have
>> >>>> an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that
>> >>>> either.is
>> >>>> there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
>> >>> How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
>> >>> See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router,
>> >>> or
>> >>> an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>> >>>
>> >>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>> >>>
>>
>> Two comments:
>> 1.  You can either use the mfr's utility (Intel PROSet) OR Windows
>> Wireless Zero Configuration, but you can't use both -- at the same time.
>>    That's what the part highlighted in yellow means   So, if you want to
>> use the Intel utility, then yes, you have to disable WZC.
>>
>> 2.  More to the point, the very first sentence in Jack's article is:
>> "Many new Laptops come with a physical switch that disables the Wireless
>> (helps to save battery power if the Wireless is not working)."  Just
>> clicking "enable" in Network Connections will not turn the radio on if
>> it is off.  You need to check the User Guide for your laptop to find out
>> if there is a physical switch or a key combination (usually Fn + Fx)
>> that turns the wireless NIC radio on and off.
>>
>> (If I understand you correctly, the problem laptop has an internal
>> wireless NIC -- which you have not been able to get to see any wireless
>> networks; and you also tried using a PCMCIA wireless adapter in that
>> laptop, and in this case you can see the networks but have other
>> problems.  If I've misunderstood and the laptop does NOT have built in
>> wifi, then disregard point 2 above).
>>
>> --
>> Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>
>> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>

> Hi
> I am sorry if I would make a mistake, but it is a little hard to follow the
> sequence of the story.
> Win98SE has no Native Wireless configuration, so there is Nothing in Windows
> per-se to switch On, or Off.
> When using Win98 you have to install the Original Wireless management
> utility and the drivers that came with the Wireless Card.
> If the Wireless Switched Off message comes On, it means that Windows can not
> find a valid Wireless Card, and that issue has to be resolved on an Hardware
> level, hopefully Pioneer would tell you what to do.
> As far as Windows XP goes you have a choice between Windows Zero
> Configuration (WZC), and the Original Wireless Utility. Which one to use
> depends on personal choice. But only one can work while the other has to be
> switched Off.
> Some original utility can be easily disabled, others need to be manually
> taken out of the Start-Up Folder ( this utility might help,
> http://www.ezlan.net/infestation#startup )
> If while using WinXP SP2 your Wireless utility does not switch Off WZC, or
> you are Not sure if it is Off, you can do it manually.
> Here how, http://www.ezlan.net/wzc.html
> To choice of cooperating with Windows Native Wireless is  Not up to
> Microsoft it is a choice that the Wireless manufacturer has to make.  Newer
> Wireless is usually fully compatible with Windows XP SP2. Older Wireless,
> and older Windows versions might have more compatibility problems.
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "Philip Dawson" <PhilipDaw***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5FCF5648-DA68-46D1-9741-6A980DD4E179@microsoft.com...
>
>>no, I have a laptop at home runing windows 98SE which has the lingsys
>>WPC54G
>>wireless PCMCIA adapter correctly installed, but it cant see any wireless
>>networks. I took one of the work laptops home which has the onboard intel
>>wireless. This had been disable as wireless is too slow at work. It was
>>disabled by righ clicking the adapter in network explorer and "disable"
>>and
>>when I tried to renable it refused with the error message about the
>>switch.
>>There is no switch. i have contacted pioneer who will send me the key
>>combo,
>>but as I didnt use that to disable i doubt that is the problem. Prior to
>>disabling windows zero config utility on this laptop the wireless adapter
>>was
>>working, properly installed but couldnt see our network access point. The
>>other (identical)laptop at work can see the network access point and
>>connect,
>>it has the intel proset software, and i see that windows zero config
>>utility
>>is enabled automatically at startup. The link you posted says some
>>wireless
>>proprietary software will automatically disable zero config IF NECESSARY,
>>and
>>since the intel software hasnt disabled it (and neither has the linksys
>>software on my win 98SElaptop) and since the laptop I did disable it has
>>lost
>>its wireless I think it musnt be necessary in these cases! I see linksys
>>has
>>a new driver so will try that on the win 98 laptop, although not sure why
>>a
>>new driver would work better with an old OS.
>>
>>"Lem" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Philip Dawson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ichecked the article you gave a link to, it suggests if a programme is
>>>>installed to manage a wireless network adapter, then one must use this
>>>>and
>>>>cannot use windows netowrk connections to manage the network. I tried
>>>>in a
>>>>second laptop and when using windows network to view available networks
>>>>got
>>>>the eror message-windows cant configure this device, if you have
>>>>software
>>>>installed use that! I opened the intel proset software in that win XP
>>>>laptop
>>>>and it connects fine. When I open windows network connection in the
>>>>laptop in
>>>>question it just says there are no available networks. I closed that
>>>>and
>>>>opened the intel proset software and the computer crashed! Connecting
>>>>this
>>>>computer to the LAN via PCMCIA network card it sees the network ok and
>>>>it
>>>>"pings" the router ok, I can explore the network, but internet explorer
>>>>freezes, so I suspect there is a problem setting there that may also be
>>>>affecting the wireless. Do I need to disable the windows zero
>>>>configuration
>>>>utility?
>>>>
>>>>"Philip Dawson" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>under network connections, I right clicked on the wireless icon and
>>>>>clicked
>>>>>"enable"
>>>>>
>>>>>"Lem" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Philip Dawson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless
>>>>>>>access point,
>>>>>>>which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a
>>>>>>>laptop
>>>>>>>(windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range.
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I
>>>>>>>also have
>>>>>>>an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that
>>>>>>>either.is
>>>>>>>there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
>>>>>>See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router,
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Two comments:
>>>1.  You can either use the mfr's utility (Intel PROSet) OR Windows
>>>Wireless Zero Configuration, but you can't use both -- at the same time.
>>>   That's what the part highlighted in yellow means   So, if you want to
>>>use the Intel utility, then yes, you have to disable WZC.
>>>
>>>2.  More to the point, the very first sentence in Jack's article is:
>>>"Many new Laptops come with a physical switch that disables the Wireless
>>>(helps to save battery power if the Wireless is not working)."  Just
>>>clicking "enable" in Network Connections will not turn the radio on if
>>>it is off.  You need to check the User Guide for your laptop to find out
>>>if there is a physical switch or a key combination (usually Fn + Fx)
>>>that turns the wireless NIC radio on and off.
>>>
>>>(If I understand you correctly, the problem laptop has an internal
>>>wireless NIC -- which you have not been able to get to see any wireless
>>>networks; and you also tried using a PCMCIA wireless adapter in that
>>>laptop, and in this case you can see the networks but have other
>>>problems.  If I've misunderstood and the laptop does NOT have built in
>>>wifi, then disregard point 2 above).
>>>
>>>--
>>>Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
>>>
>>>To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>>>
>
>
>

"mike" wrote:

> Jack (MVP-Networking). wrote:
> > Hi
> > I am sorry if I would make a mistake, but it is a little hard to follow the
> > sequence of the story.
> > Win98SE has no Native Wireless configuration, so there is Nothing in Windows
> > per-se to switch On, or Off.
> > When using Win98 you have to install the Original Wireless management
> > utility and the drivers that came with the Wireless Card.
> > If the Wireless Switched Off message comes On, it means that Windows can not
> > find a valid Wireless Card, and that issue has to be resolved on an Hardware
> > level, hopefully Pioneer would tell you what to do.
> > As far as Windows XP goes you have a choice between Windows Zero
> > Configuration (WZC), and the Original Wireless Utility. Which one to use
> > depends on personal choice. But only one can work while the other has to be
> > switched Off.
> > Some original utility can be easily disabled, others need to be manually
> > taken out of the Start-Up Folder ( this utility might help,
> > http://www.ezlan.net/infestation#startup )
> > If while using WinXP SP2 your Wireless utility does not switch Off WZC, or
> > you are Not sure if it is Off, you can do it manually.
> > Here how, http://www.ezlan.net/wzc.html
> > To choice of cooperating with Windows Native Wireless is  Not up to
> > Microsoft it is a choice that the Wireless manufacturer has to make.  Newer
> > Wireless is usually fully compatible with Windows XP SP2. Older Wireless,
> > and older Windows versions might have more compatibility problems.
> > Jack (MVP-Networking).
> >
> > "Philip Dawson" <PhilipDaw***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:5FCF5648-DA68-46D1-9741-6A980DD4E179@microsoft.com...
> >
> >>no, I have a laptop at home runing windows 98SE which has the lingsys
> >>WPC54G
> >>wireless PCMCIA adapter correctly installed, but it cant see any wireless
> >>networks. I took one of the work laptops home which has the onboard intel
> >>wireless. This had been disable as wireless is too slow at work. It was
> >>disabled by righ clicking the adapter in network explorer and "disable"
> >>and
> >>when I tried to renable it refused with the error message about the
> >>switch.
> >>There is no switch. i have contacted pioneer who will send me the key
> >>combo,
> >>but as I didnt use that to disable i doubt that is the problem. Prior to
> >>disabling windows zero config utility on this laptop the wireless adapter
> >>was
> >>working, properly installed but couldnt see our network access point. The
> >>other (identical)laptop at work can see the network access point and
> >>connect,
> >>it has the intel proset software, and i see that windows zero config
> >>utility
> >>is enabled automatically at startup. The link you posted says some
> >>wireless
> >>proprietary software will automatically disable zero config IF NECESSARY,
> >>and
> >>since the intel software hasnt disabled it (and neither has the linksys
> >>software on my win 98SElaptop) and since the laptop I did disable it has
> >>lost
> >>its wireless I think it musnt be necessary in these cases! I see linksys
> >>has
> >>a new driver so will try that on the win 98 laptop, although not sure why
> >>a
> >>new driver would work better with an old OS.
> >>
> >>"Lem" wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Philip Dawson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Ichecked the article you gave a link to, it suggests if a programme is
> >>>>installed to manage a wireless network adapter, then one must use this
> >>>>and
> >>>>cannot use windows netowrk connections to manage the network. I tried
> >>>>in a
> >>>>second laptop and when using windows network to view available networks
> >>>>got
> >>>>the eror message-windows cant configure this device, if you have
> >>>>software
> >>>>installed use that! I opened the intel proset software in that win XP
> >>>>laptop
> >>>>and it connects fine. When I open windows network connection in the
> >>>>laptop in
> >>>>question it just says there are no available networks. I closed that
> >>>>and
> >>>>opened the intel proset software and the computer crashed! Connecting
> >>>>this
> >>>>computer to the LAN via PCMCIA network card it sees the network ok and
> >>>>it
> >>>>"pings" the router ok, I can explore the network, but internet explorer
> >>>>freezes, so I suspect there is a problem setting there that may also be
> >>>>affecting the wireless. Do I need to disable the windows zero
> >>>>configuration
> >>>>utility?
> >>>>
> >>>>"Philip Dawson" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>under network connections, I right clicked on the wireless icon and
> >>>>>clicked
> >>>>>"enable"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Lem" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Philip Dawson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless
> >>>>>>>access point,
> >>>>>>>which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a
> >>>>>>>laptop
> >>>>>>>(windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range.
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I
> >>>>>>>also have
> >>>>>>>an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that
> >>>>>>>either.is
> >>>>>>>there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
> >>>>>>See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router,
> >>>>>>or
> >>>>>>an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>Two comments:
> >>>1.  You can either use the mfr's utility (Intel PROSet) OR Windows
> >>>Wireless Zero Configuration, but you can't use both -- at the same time.
> >>>   That's what the part highlighted in yellow means   So, if you want to
> >>>use the Intel utility, then yes, you have to disable WZC.
> >>>
> >>>2.  More to the point, the very first sentence in Jack's article is:
> >>>"Many new Laptops come with a physical switch that disables the Wireless
> >>>(helps to save battery power if the Wireless is not working)."  Just
> >>>clicking "enable" in Network Connections will not turn the radio on if
> >>>it is off.  You need to check the User Guide for your laptop to find out
> >>>if there is a physical switch or a key combination (usually Fn + Fx)
> >>>that turns the wireless NIC radio on and off.
> >>>
> >>>(If I understand you correctly, the problem laptop has an internal
> >>>wireless NIC -- which you have not been able to get to see any wireless
> >>>networks; and you also tried using a PCMCIA wireless adapter in that
> >>>laptop, and in this case you can see the networks but have other
> >>>problems.  If I've misunderstood and the laptop does NOT have built in
> >>>wifi, then disregard point 2 above).
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
> >>>
> >>>To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> I'm no expert in solutions, but I am well experienced as a victim.
> Sounds like the laptop never worked? If so, hardware breaks,
> antenna connectors pop off...maybe it's not a software problem?
>
> Can you make it work in ad-hoc mode without the router?
> There's often a bewildering array of security features in a router
> that can cause problems if not configured correctly.  I have mine set up
> to allow only a few MAC addresses.  I'm constantly forgetting that when
> I plug a random wireless card into a random computer and wondering why
> it don't work.
>
> Netowrking does not always behave logically.  My network has several
> laptops that are constantly going in and out of sleep and hibernation.
> Occansionally, one fails to see the network.  Nothing I do at the laptop
> can fix it.  Since the other laptops work, you'd think the router is ok.
> But resetting the router usually fixes it.  But sometimes, I have to
> power down EVERY computer on the network, reset the router, power up
> everything, wait way longer than I think it should take for the system
> to find itself...then it's working again.
>
> mike
>

"Philip Dawson" wrote:

> thanks guys, one helpful point is that windows 98 doesnt have native
> wireless, so tthat helps. (even though windows zero configuration utility is
> on the services list. the wireless card appears to install properly on the
> windows 98 SE laptop as does the software, windows device manager reports the
> card is properly installed and working properly, but the software reports it
> cant find the wireless router, even though I had it switched on. So in order
> to check the wireless router was working i brought home awork laptop, windows
> xp pro with inbuilt intel proset wireless which was switched off, as we dont
> use it at work. I switched it on by right clicking the icon in network
> neighborhood and clicking enable (that was how I switched it off when we put
> a gigabit ethernet PCMCIA card in the machine). It switched on but it too
> reported no association with access point. I then took it back to work and
> enabled the wireless on our other nearly identical laptop and it found the
> wireless access point while the first one didnt. All three laptops have the
> windows zero configuration utility automatic startup. All reported their
> wireless devices properly installed. I then followed your advice and disabled
> windows zero configuration utility in the win xp laptop that could find the
> router. It then reported it didnt have a wireless device. reenabling windows
> zero configuration didnt help. On the win 98 laptop I tried the PCMCIA card
> in both slots, uninstalled and reinstalled the software also tried an updated
> version from the linksys website(latest version is 1995! and I note this is a
> version 3 card, whereas they only have v 1,2 and 4 in the US, this seems to
> be a special for austalia and UK!). No luck. To test your theory of card
> problem I installed the PCMCIA card in the win XP laptop with the problesm,
> it installed automatically and found the wireless acces point without the
> installation CD-all the drivers were in Win XP! SO no card proble, no driver
> problem, I think its a software problem, dont seem to be easy answers so I'l
> press linksys for a different card I think. To enable the wireless in the win
> XP laptop apparently there is a key combo, I will get onto pioneer about this.
>
> "mike" wrote:
>
> > Jack (MVP-Networking). wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > I am sorry if I would make a mistake, but it is a little hard to follow the
> > > sequence of the story.
> > > Win98SE has no Native Wireless configuration, so there is Nothing in Windows
> > > per-se to switch On, or Off.
> > > When using Win98 you have to install the Original Wireless management
> > > utility and the drivers that came with the Wireless Card.
> > > If the Wireless Switched Off message comes On, it means that Windows can not
> > > find a valid Wireless Card, and that issue has to be resolved on an Hardware
> > > level, hopefully Pioneer would tell you what to do.
> > > As far as Windows XP goes you have a choice between Windows Zero
> > > Configuration (WZC), and the Original Wireless Utility. Which one to use
> > > depends on personal choice. But only one can work while the other has to be
> > > switched Off.
> > > Some original utility can be easily disabled, others need to be manually
> > > taken out of the Start-Up Folder ( this utility might help,
> > > http://www.ezlan.net/infestation#startup )
> > > If while using WinXP SP2 your Wireless utility does not switch Off WZC, or
> > > you are Not sure if it is Off, you can do it manually.
> > > Here how, http://www.ezlan.net/wzc.html
> > > To choice of cooperating with Windows Native Wireless is  Not up to
> > > Microsoft it is a choice that the Wireless manufacturer has to make.  Newer
> > > Wireless is usually fully compatible with Windows XP SP2. Older Wireless,
> > > and older Windows versions might have more compatibility problems.
> > > Jack (MVP-Networking).
> > >
> > > "Philip Dawson" <PhilipDaw***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:5FCF5648-DA68-46D1-9741-6A980DD4E179@microsoft.com...
> > >
> > >>no, I have a laptop at home runing windows 98SE which has the lingsys
> > >>WPC54G
> > >>wireless PCMCIA adapter correctly installed, but it cant see any wireless
> > >>networks. I took one of the work laptops home which has the onboard intel
> > >>wireless. This had been disable as wireless is too slow at work. It was
> > >>disabled by righ clicking the adapter in network explorer and "disable"
> > >>and
> > >>when I tried to renable it refused with the error message about the
> > >>switch.
> > >>There is no switch. i have contacted pioneer who will send me the key
> > >>combo,
> > >>but as I didnt use that to disable i doubt that is the problem. Prior to
> > >>disabling windows zero config utility on this laptop the wireless adapter
> > >>was
> > >>working, properly installed but couldnt see our network access point. The
> > >>other (identical)laptop at work can see the network access point and
> > >>connect,
> > >>it has the intel proset software, and i see that windows zero config
> > >>utility
> > >>is enabled automatically at startup. The link you posted says some
> > >>wireless
> > >>proprietary software will automatically disable zero config IF NECESSARY,
> > >>and
> > >>since the intel software hasnt disabled it (and neither has the linksys
> > >>software on my win 98SElaptop) and since the laptop I did disable it has
> > >>lost
> > >>its wireless I think it musnt be necessary in these cases! I see linksys
> > >>has
> > >>a new driver so will try that on the win 98 laptop, although not sure why
> > >>a
> > >>new driver would work better with an old OS.
> > >>
> > >>"Lem" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Philip Dawson wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Ichecked the article you gave a link to, it suggests if a programme is
> > >>>>installed to manage a wireless network adapter, then one must use this
> > >>>>and
> > >>>>cannot use windows netowrk connections to manage the network. I tried
> > >>>>in a
> > >>>>second laptop and when using windows network to view available networks
> > >>>>got
> > >>>>the eror message-windows cant configure this device, if you have
> > >>>>software
> > >>>>installed use that! I opened the intel proset software in that win XP
> > >>>>laptop
> > >>>>and it connects fine. When I open windows network connection in the
> > >>>>laptop in
> > >>>>question it just says there are no available networks. I closed that
> > >>>>and
> > >>>>opened the intel proset software and the computer crashed! Connecting
> > >>>>this
> > >>>>computer to the LAN via PCMCIA network card it sees the network ok and
> > >>>>it
> > >>>>"pings" the router ok, I can explore the network, but internet explorer
> > >>>>freezes, so I suspect there is a problem setting there that may also be
> > >>>>affecting the wireless. Do I need to disable the windows zero
> > >>>>configuration
> > >>>>utility?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>"Philip Dawson" wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>under network connections, I right clicked on the wireless icon and
> > >>>>>clicked
> > >>>>>"enable"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>"Lem" wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>Philip Dawson wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Our network has a dlink adsl 4 port modem router with wireless
> > >>>>>>>access point,
> > >>>>>>>which I disabled, as well as disabling the wireles networking on a
> > >>>>>>>laptop
> > >>>>>>>(windows XP pro SP2). Now I have reenabled both but cant connect to
> > >>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>wireless network. it says there are no wireless networks in range.
> > >>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>wireless light is on on the router. i took the laptop home where I
> > >>>>>>>also have
> > >>>>>>>an adls modem router with wireless access and it cant see that
> > >>>>>>>either.is
> > >>>>>>>there some other setting I have to do to renable wireles access?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>How did you "disable" and "reenable" the wireless NIC on the laptop?
> > >>>>>>See "My new Wireless Computer does not work with a Wireless Router,
> > >>>>>>or
> > >>>>>>an Access Point"  http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>--
> > >>>>>>Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> > >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Two comments:
> > >>>1.  You can either use the mfr's utility (Intel PROSet) OR Windows
> > >>>Wireless Zero Configuration, but you can't use both -- at the same time.
> > >>>   That's what the part highlighted in yellow means   So, if you want to
> > >>>use the Intel utility, then yes, you have to disable WZC.
> > >>>
> > >>>2.  More to the point, the very first sentence in Jack's article is:
> > >>>"Many new Laptops come with a physical switch that disables the Wireless
> > >>>(helps to save battery power if the Wireless is not working)."  Just
> > >>>clicking "enable" in Network Connections will not turn the radio on if
> > >>>it is off.  You need to check the User Guide for your laptop to find out
> > >>>if there is a physical switch or a key combination (usually Fn + Fx)
> > >>>that turns the wireless NIC radio on and off.
> > >>>
> > >>>(If I understand you correctly, the problem laptop has an internal
> > >>>wireless NIC -- which you have not been able to get to see any wireless
> > >>>networks; and you also tried using a PCMCIA wireless adapter in that
> > >>>laptop, and in this case you can see the networks but have other
> > >>>problems.  If I've misunderstood and the laptop does NOT have built in
> > >>>wifi, then disregard point 2 above).
> > >>>
> > >>>--
> > >>>Lem   MS MVP -- Networking
> > >>>
> > >>>To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I'm no expert in solutions, but I am well experienced as a victim.
> > Sounds like the laptop never worked? If so, hardware breaks,
> > antenna connectors pop off...maybe it's not a software problem?
> >
> > Can you make it work in ad-hoc mode without the router?
> > There's often a bewildering array of security features in a router
> > that can cause problems if not configured correctly.  I have mine set up
> > to allow only a few MAC addresses.  I'm constantly forgetting that when
> > I plug a random wireless card into a random computer and wondering why
> > it don't work.
> >
> > Netowrking does not always behave logically.  My network has several
> > laptops that are constantly going in and out of sleep and hibernation.
> > Occansionally, one fails to see the network.  Nothing I do at the laptop
> > can fix it.  Since the other laptops work, you'd think the router is ok.
> > But resetting the router usually fixes it.  But sometimes, I have to
> > power down EVERY computer on the network, reset the router, power up
> > everything, wait way longer than I think it should take for the system
> > to find itself...then it's working again.
> >
> > mike
> >