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No connection to internetI have a friends winXP home desktop that I am trying to connect to my
broadband network, which is comprised of various laptops/desktops, XP & Vista machines over wired and wireless Belkin router. Friends machine is configured with Automatic Private IP Addressing enabled. ipconfig shows an address of 169.254.x.x, which will not see my network so I manually configured TCP/IP with an address that will see my network and network connections shows that it is connected, but it refuses to connect to the internet. "Internet Explorer cannot display the web page". I don't know what else to tweak. Firewalls are disabled. It won't connect in safe mode either. Do I need to disable Automatic Private IP Addressing? Many thanks Ripper Hi
Is it really connected? I.e. can you type the core IP of your Router in the friend's computer browser and see the Router's menus. Did you try to disable temp. your Router's Security? As for the friends Wireless, http://www.ezlan.net.wireless.html Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) Show quoteHide quote "RipperT @nOsPaM.nEt>" <<RiPpErT> wrote in message news:uYANYhFcJHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I have a friends winXP home desktop that I am trying to connect to my >broadband network, which is comprised of various laptops/desktops, XP & >Vista machines over wired and wireless Belkin router. Friends machine is >configured with Automatic Private IP Addressing enabled. ipconfig shows an >address of 169.254.x.x, which will not see my network so I manually >configured TCP/IP with an address that will see my network and network >connections shows that it is connected, but it refuses to connect to the >internet. "Internet Explorer cannot display the web page". I don't know >what else to tweak. Firewalls are disabled. It won't connect in safe mode >either. Do I need to disable Automatic Private IP Addressing? > Many thanks > > Ripper > In answer to your question, no I cannot connect to the router via the
browser and see menus. I have disabled all security features of the router from another machine. I'm only interested in connecting my friends machine via wired connection. What do I check next? Thanks for your help, Rip Show quoteHide quote "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <j***@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message news:%231D2uxFcJHA.1860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Hi > Is it really connected? I.e. can you type the core IP of your Router in > the friend's computer browser and see the Router's menus. > Did you try to disable temp. your Router's Security? > As for the friends Wireless, http://www.ezlan.net.wireless.html > Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) > > "RipperT @nOsPaM.nEt>" <<RiPpErT> wrote in message > news:uYANYhFcJHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>I have a friends winXP home desktop that I am trying to connect to my >>broadband network, which is comprised of various laptops/desktops, XP & >>Vista machines over wired and wireless Belkin router. Friends machine is >>configured with Automatic Private IP Addressing enabled. ipconfig shows an >>address of 169.254.x.x, which will not see my network so I manually >>configured TCP/IP with an address that will see my network and network >>connections shows that it is connected, but it refuses to connect to the >>internet. "Internet Explorer cannot display the web page". I don't know >>what else to tweak. Firewalls are disabled. It won't connect in safe mode >>either. Do I need to disable Automatic Private IP Addressing? >> Many thanks >> >> Ripper >> >
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On Jan 7, 2:46 am, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: I would be tempted to set your friend's machine to get it's IP by DHCP> In answer to your question, no I cannot connect to the router via the > browser and see menus. I have disabled all security features of the router > from another machine. I'm only interested in connecting my friends machine > via wired connection. What do I check next? > Thanks for your help, > > Rip > > "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <j***@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message > > news:%231D2uxFcJHA.1860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > Hi > > Is it really connected? I.e. can you type the core IP of your Router in > > the friend's computer browser and see the Router's menus. > > Did you try to disable temp. your Router's Security? > > As for the friends Wireless,http://www.ezlan.net.wireless.html > > Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) > > > "RipperT @nOsPaM.nEt>" <<RiPpErT> wrote in message > >news:uYANYhFcJHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>I have a friends winXP home desktop that I am trying to connect to my > >>broadband network, which is comprised of various laptops/desktops, XP & > >>Vista machines over wired and wireless Belkin router. Friends machine is > >>configured with Automatic Private IP Addressing enabled. ipconfig shows an > >>address of 169.254.x.x, which will not see my network so I manually > >>configured TCP/IP with an address that will see my network and network > >>connections shows that it is connected, but it refuses to connect to the > >>internet. "Internet Explorer cannot display the web page". I don't know > >>what else to tweak. Firewalls are disabled. It won't connect in safe mode > >>either. Do I need to disable Automatic Private IP Addressing? > >> Many thanks > > >> Ripper from the router if that is how the rest of your machines work - that way you know you the settings for DNS and Gateway will be correct (hopefully). If this is not possible, make sure the DNS and Gateway on your friend's machine are both set to the router's internal IP. Can you ping the router's IP from your friend's machine? if you do a ping to www.google.co.uk what response do you get? If you are sure you have network connectivity then it sure sounds like a DNS issue to me. Alister The machine was originally configured with DHCP enabled and the connection
was configured to get it's IP from DHCP, but when that didn't work, I resorted to assigning the IP manually. Pinging the router, www.google.co.uk and www.google.com all return "Ping request could not find host ..." Under TCP/IP properties, I have the Default Gateway and the DNS set to the routers internal address and still nothing. Under 'this connection uses the following items, I see a couple of unfamiliar items: Realtek EAPPkt Protocol and AEGIS Protocol (IEEE 802.1x) v3.4.5.0. Are those maybe getting in the way? To try connecting without them, do I just untick the check box next to them, or do I have to uninstall them? If I go to cmd window and type IPConfig /release, I get the message "the operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for this operation." But Device manager says "This device is working properly". I uninstalled it and reinstalled it to no avail. Help! Thanks! Rip Show quoteHide quote "Alister" <alister.***@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message I would be tempted to set your friend's machine to get it's IP by DHCPnews:b0efe0f7-c820-47ee-9f4c-1a99c05fc3bd@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com... On Jan 7, 2:46 am, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: > In answer to your question, no I cannot connect to the router via the > browser and see menus. I have disabled all security features of the router > from another machine. I'm only interested in connecting my friends machine > via wired connection. What do I check next? > Thanks for your help, > > Rip > > "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <j***@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message > > news:%231D2uxFcJHA.1860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > Hi > > Is it really connected? I.e. can you type the core IP of your Router in > > the friend's computer browser and see the Router's menus. > > Did you try to disable temp. your Router's Security? > > As for the friends Wireless,http://www.ezlan.net.wireless.html > > Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) > > > "RipperT @nOsPaM.nEt>" <<RiPpErT> wrote in message > >news:uYANYhFcJHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>I have a friends winXP home desktop that I am trying to connect to my > >>broadband network, which is comprised of various laptops/desktops, XP & > >>Vista machines over wired and wireless Belkin router. Friends machine is > >>configured with Automatic Private IP Addressing enabled. ipconfig shows > >>an > >>address of 169.254.x.x, which will not see my network so I manually > >>configured TCP/IP with an address that will see my network and network > >>connections shows that it is connected, but it refuses to connect to the > >>internet. "Internet Explorer cannot display the web page". I don't know > >>what else to tweak. Firewalls are disabled. It won't connect in safe > >>mode > >>either. Do I need to disable Automatic Private IP Addressing? > >> Many thanks > > >> Ripper from the router if that is how the rest of your machines work - that way you know you the settings for DNS and Gateway will be correct (hopefully). If this is not possible, make sure the DNS and Gateway on your friend's machine are both set to the router's internal IP. Can you ping the router's IP from your friend's machine? if you do a ping to www.google.co.uk what response do you get? If you are sure you have network connectivity then it sure sounds like a DNS issue to me. Alister
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On Jan 7, 2:46 pm, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: The Aegis Protocol is used for authentication - normally on WiFi !> The machine was originally configured with DHCP enabled and the connection > was configured to get it's IP from DHCP, but when that didn't work, I > resorted to assigning the IP manually. Pinging the router,www.google.co.uk > andwww.google.comall return "Ping request could not find host ..." Under > TCP/IP properties, I have the Default Gateway and the DNS set to the routers > internal address and still nothing. > > Under 'this connection uses the following items, I see a couple of > unfamiliar items: Realtek EAPPkt Protocol and AEGIS Protocol (IEEE 802.1x) > v3.4.5.0. Are those maybe getting in the way? To try connecting without > them, do I just untick the check box next to them, or do I have to uninstall > them? > > If I go to cmd window and type IPConfig /release, I get the message "the > operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for this > operation." But Device manager says "This device is working properly". I > uninstalled it and reinstalled it to no avail. Help! > > Thanks! > Rip > The Realtek EAPPkt Protocol is part of a Realtek network driver installation but shouldn't be needed for TCP/IP connectivity. Could you post a complete result from ipconfig /all I am not sure but it sounds as though your TCP connection is binding to the wrong device. Alister Windows IP Configuration
Host Name.........................: YOUR-8993BB98956 Primary Dns Suffix..............: Node Type.........................: Unknown IP Routing Enabled.............: No WINS Proxy Enabled.........: No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 5: Connection-specific DNS Suffix......: Description.....................................: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection Physical Address............................: 00-11-55-3D-81-11 Dhcp Enabled.................................: No IP Address.....................................: 192.168.2.10 Default Gateway.............................: 192.168.2.1 DNS Servers..................................: 192.168.2.1 Show quoteHide quote "Alister" <alister.***@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message The Aegis Protocol is used for authentication - normally on WiFi !news:2b440448-9870-446f-8004-7712869e9ffe@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On Jan 7, 2:46 pm, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: > The machine was originally configured with DHCP enabled and the connection > was configured to get it's IP from DHCP, but when that didn't work, I > resorted to assigning the IP manually. Pinging the router,www.google.co.uk > andwww.google.comall return "Ping request could not find host ..." Under > TCP/IP properties, I have the Default Gateway and the DNS set to the > routers > internal address and still nothing. > > Under 'this connection uses the following items, I see a couple of > unfamiliar items: Realtek EAPPkt Protocol and AEGIS Protocol (IEEE 802.1x) > v3.4.5.0. Are those maybe getting in the way? To try connecting without > them, do I just untick the check box next to them, or do I have to > uninstall > them? > > If I go to cmd window and type IPConfig /release, I get the message "the > operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for this > operation." But Device manager says "This device is working properly". I > uninstalled it and reinstalled it to no avail. Help! > > Thanks! > Rip > The Realtek EAPPkt Protocol is part of a Realtek network driver installation but shouldn't be needed for TCP/IP connectivity. Could you post a complete result from ipconfig /all I am not sure but it sounds as though your TCP connection is binding to the wrong device. Alister
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On Jan 8, 12:42 am, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: Well that looks straightforward enough of itself, although I don't see> Windows IP Configuration > > Host Name.........................: YOUR-8993BB98956 > Primary Dns Suffix..............: > Node Type.........................: Unknown > IP Routing Enabled.............: No > WINS Proxy Enabled.........: No > > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 5: > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix......: > Description.....................................: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE > Network Connection > Physical Address............................: 00-11-55-3D-81-11 > Dhcp Enabled.................................: No > IP Address.....................................: 192.168.2.10 > Default Gateway.............................: 192.168.2.1 > DNS Servers..................................: 192.168.2.1 > why it would be Local Area Connection 5. Can you confirm that this is a desktop PC and that it only has one network card - whether wired or wireless? Going back to basics, you said in an earlier post that you could not ping the router's IP. If this is the case I would look at whether your physical connection is really working - try a different ethernet cable, see if the PC's MAC address appears in the router's list of attached clients, and if you happen to have a spare NIC try installing that in the PC and using that. If the current Network port is built in to the motherboard, check in the BIOS under "Integrated Devices" or similar to see if it is turned off - that's caught me out before. Sorry we are not finding a quick fix :-) Alister LAN devices are enabled in the BIOS. The desktop has integrated adapter and
is the only adapter. Different cable returns same results. MAC address does not appear in the routers list of attached devices. I installed a wireless card for fun and it also refusues to connect. See my response to Lem. BTW, my friend uses a wireless USB device to connect, which I don't have. Maybe I'll have to get it from him. Thanks, Rip Show quoteHide quote "Alister" <alister.***@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message Well that looks straightforward enough of itself, although I don't seenews:22a21b30-4c58-4f99-9978-e9a7225aaca7@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On Jan 8, 12:42 am, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: > Windows IP Configuration > > Host Name.........................: YOUR-8993BB98956 > Primary Dns Suffix..............: > Node Type.........................: Unknown > IP Routing Enabled.............: No > WINS Proxy Enabled.........: No > > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 5: > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix......: > Description.....................................: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE > Network Connection > Physical Address............................: 00-11-55-3D-81-11 > Dhcp Enabled.................................: No > IP Address.....................................: 192.168.2.10 > Default Gateway.............................: 192.168.2.1 > DNS Servers..................................: 192.168.2.1 > why it would be Local Area Connection 5. Can you confirm that this is a desktop PC and that it only has one network card - whether wired or wireless? Going back to basics, you said in an earlier post that you could not ping the router's IP. If this is the case I would look at whether your physical connection is really working - try a different ethernet cable, see if the PC's MAC address appears in the router's list of attached clients, and if you happen to have a spare NIC try installing that in the PC and using that. If the current Network port is built in to the motherboard, check in the BIOS under "Integrated Devices" or similar to see if it is turned off - that's caught me out before. Sorry we are not finding a quick fix :-) Alister Integrated network adapter is whacked, I think. Installed a card. Joy.
Thanks. Rip Show quoteHide quote "Alister" <alister.***@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message Well that looks straightforward enough of itself, although I don't seenews:22a21b30-4c58-4f99-9978-e9a7225aaca7@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On Jan 8, 12:42 am, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: > Windows IP Configuration > > Host Name.........................: YOUR-8993BB98956 > Primary Dns Suffix..............: > Node Type.........................: Unknown > IP Routing Enabled.............: No > WINS Proxy Enabled.........: No > > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 5: > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix......: > Description.....................................: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE > Network Connection > Physical Address............................: 00-11-55-3D-81-11 > Dhcp Enabled.................................: No > IP Address.....................................: 192.168.2.10 > Default Gateway.............................: 192.168.2.1 > DNS Servers..................................: 192.168.2.1 > why it would be Local Area Connection 5. Can you confirm that this is a desktop PC and that it only has one network card - whether wired or wireless? Going back to basics, you said in an earlier post that you could not ping the router's IP. If this is the case I would look at whether your physical connection is really working - try a different ethernet cable, see if the PC's MAC address appears in the router's list of attached clients, and if you happen to have a spare NIC try installing that in the PC and using that. If the current Network port is built in to the motherboard, check in the BIOS under "Integrated Devices" or similar to see if it is turned off - that's caught me out before. Sorry we are not finding a quick fix :-) Alister On Jan 10, 9:12 pm, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: Glad you got it sorted, thanks for letting us know.> Integrated network adapter is whacked, I think. Installed a card. Joy. > Thanks. > Rip > Cheers Alister. Try: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811259
If the above doesn't help, if your friend does not use the laptop to connect to a corporate network, then you should uninstall Realtek EAPPkt and AEGIS Protocol. Otherwise (or maybe also), click the "Wireless Networks" tab, select your SSID in the list of preferred networks, click "Properties" and then the "Authentication" tab. Make sure that the box for 802.1x authentication is UNchecked. RipperT < wrote: Show quoteHide quote > The machine was originally configured with DHCP enabled and the connection > was configured to get it's IP from DHCP, but when that didn't work, I > resorted to assigning the IP manually. Pinging the router, www.google.co.uk > and www.google.com all return "Ping request could not find host ..." Under > TCP/IP properties, I have the Default Gateway and the DNS set to the routers > internal address and still nothing. > > Under 'this connection uses the following items, I see a couple of > unfamiliar items: Realtek EAPPkt Protocol and AEGIS Protocol (IEEE 802.1x) > v3.4.5.0. Are those maybe getting in the way? To try connecting without > them, do I just untick the check box next to them, or do I have to uninstall > them? > > If I go to cmd window and type IPConfig /release, I get the message "the > operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for this > operation." But Device manager says "This device is working properly". I > uninstalled it and reinstalled it to no avail. Help! > > Thanks! > Rip > > > "Alister" <alister.***@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:b0efe0f7-c820-47ee-9f4c-1a99c05fc3bd@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 7, 2:46 am, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: >> In answer to your question, no I cannot connect to the router via the >> browser and see menus. I have disabled all security features of the router >> from another machine. I'm only interested in connecting my friends machine >> via wired connection. What do I check next? >> Thanks for your help, >> >> Rip >> >> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <j***@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message >> >> news:%231D2uxFcJHA.1860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >>> Hi >>> Is it really connected? I.e. can you type the core IP of your Router in >>> the friend's computer browser and see the Router's menus. >>> Did you try to disable temp. your Router's Security? >>> As for the friends Wireless,http://www.ezlan.net.wireless.html >>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) >>> "RipperT @nOsPaM.nEt>" <<RiPpErT> wrote in message >>> news:uYANYhFcJHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> I have a friends winXP home desktop that I am trying to connect to my >>>> broadband network, which is comprised of various laptops/desktops, XP & >>>> Vista machines over wired and wireless Belkin router. Friends machine is >>>> configured with Automatic Private IP Addressing enabled. ipconfig shows >>>> an >>>> address of 169.254.x.x, which will not see my network so I manually >>>> configured TCP/IP with an address that will see my network and network >>>> connections shows that it is connected, but it refuses to connect to the >>>> internet. "Internet Explorer cannot display the web page". I don't know >>>> what else to tweak. Firewalls are disabled. It won't connect in safe >>>> mode >>>> either. Do I need to disable Automatic Private IP Addressing? >>>> Many thanks >>>> Ripper > > I would be tempted to set your friend's machine to get it's IP by DHCP > from the router if that is how the rest of your machines work - that > way you know you the settings for DNS and Gateway will be correct > (hopefully). If this is not possible, make sure the DNS and Gateway on > your friend's machine are both set to the router's internal IP. > > Can you ping the router's IP from your friend's machine? > > if you do a ping to www.google.co.uk what response do you get? > > If you are sure you have network connectivity then it sure sounds like > a DNS issue to me. > > Alister > > -- Lem -- MS-MVP To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm This is a desktop machine; sorry if I wasn't clear. I already ran a Winsock
fix, but tested anyway and it passed. Removing the two protocols yields no different results. I just now noticed that the yellow light on the NIC socket is lit. So is the green one, but the yellow is dominant. I've updated the drivers for the adapter from the manufacturers site w/ no change. I'm thinking I should get my hands on another wired NIC and see what happens. Thanks for the help, Rip Show quoteHide quote "Lem" <lemp40@unknownhost> wrote in message news:uROzD6ScJHA.5540@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Try: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811259 > > If the above doesn't help, if your friend does not use the laptop to > connect to a corporate network, then you should uninstall Realtek EAPPkt > and AEGIS Protocol. Otherwise (or maybe also), click the "Wireless > Networks" tab, select your SSID in the list of preferred networks, click > "Properties" and then the "Authentication" tab. Make sure that the box > for 802.1x authentication is UNchecked. > > > RipperT < wrote: >> The machine was originally configured with DHCP enabled and the >> connection was configured to get it's IP from DHCP, but when that didn't >> work, I resorted to assigning the IP manually. Pinging the router, >> www.google.co.uk and www.google.com all return "Ping request could not >> find host ..." Under TCP/IP properties, I have the Default Gateway and >> the DNS set to the routers internal address and still nothing. >> >> Under 'this connection uses the following items, I see a couple of >> unfamiliar items: Realtek EAPPkt Protocol and AEGIS Protocol (IEEE >> 802.1x) v3.4.5.0. Are those maybe getting in the way? To try connecting >> without them, do I just untick the check box next to them, or do I have >> to uninstall them? >> >> If I go to cmd window and type IPConfig /release, I get the message "the >> operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissible for this >> operation." But Device manager says "This device is working properly". I >> uninstalled it and reinstalled it to no avail. Help! >> >> Thanks! >> Rip >> >> >> "Alister" <alister.***@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:b0efe0f7-c820-47ee-9f4c-1a99c05fc3bd@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >> On Jan 7, 2:46 am, "RipperT" <<RiPpErT>@nOsPaM.nEt> wrote: >>> In answer to your question, no I cannot connect to the router via the >>> browser and see menus. I have disabled all security features of the >>> router >>> from another machine. I'm only interested in connecting my friends >>> machine >>> via wired connection. What do I check next? >>> Thanks for your help, >>> >>> Rip >>> >>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <j***@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:%231D2uxFcJHA.1860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> Hi >>>> Is it really connected? I.e. can you type the core IP of your Router in >>>> the friend's computer browser and see the Router's menus. >>>> Did you try to disable temp. your Router's Security? >>>> As for the friends Wireless,http://www.ezlan.net.wireless.html >>>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking) >>>> "RipperT @nOsPaM.nEt>" <<RiPpErT> wrote in message >>>> news:uYANYhFcJHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> I have a friends winXP home desktop that I am trying to connect to my >>>>> broadband network, which is comprised of various laptops/desktops, XP >>>>> & >>>>> Vista machines over wired and wireless Belkin router. Friends machine >>>>> is >>>>> configured with Automatic Private IP Addressing enabled. ipconfig >>>>> shows an >>>>> address of 169.254.x.x, which will not see my network so I manually >>>>> configured TCP/IP with an address that will see my network and network >>>>> connections shows that it is connected, but it refuses to connect to >>>>> the >>>>> internet. "Internet Explorer cannot display the web page". I don't >>>>> know >>>>> what else to tweak. Firewalls are disabled. It won't connect in safe >>>>> mode >>>>> either. Do I need to disable Automatic Private IP Addressing? >>>>> Many thanks >>>>> Ripper >> >> I would be tempted to set your friend's machine to get it's IP by DHCP >> from the router if that is how the rest of your machines work - that >> way you know you the settings for DNS and Gateway will be correct >> (hopefully). If this is not possible, make sure the DNS and Gateway on >> your friend's machine are both set to the router's internal IP. >> >> Can you ping the router's IP from your friend's machine? >> >> if you do a ping to www.google.co.uk what response do you get? >> >> If you are sure you have network connectivity then it sure sounds like >> a DNS issue to me. >> >> Alister > > > -- > Lem -- MS-MVP > > To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer > http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm  
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