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Author
8 Feb 2009 11:41 PM
polomora
Hello,

I have a question about using the wireless capabilities of my wired/wireless
LAN.

Normally, I use the wired connections to my home router for all my
networking needs. Sometimes, when watching the TV, I like to surf the web at
the same time using my laptop's wireless connection. To do this, I first
enable my router's wireless access and then enable my laptop's wireless
connection.

It all work very well, but I have some questions, just to fill in my
knowledge gaps.

- If I leave the wireless connection enabled, and reattach the laptop to the
wired LAN, how does the laptop know which connection - wired or wireless -
to use. I assume that the two modems have separate metrics configured, but I
haven't been able to find where.

- If I switch off the laptop's wireless modem, but leave the router's
wireless access enabled, is all LAN traffic on the wired LAN segment also
broadcast onto the wireless LAN segment? Is the router's wired and wireless
accesses considered to be across two separate LAN segments? I assume not,
since the wireless connection gets its IP address from the router from the
same address range as the wired connection.

- If I bridge the wired and wireless connections together, what does this
mean in the case, where both connections are accessing the same LAN?

I've been searching the web for answers to these questions. Lots of
tutorials about setting up  a home network, but no information about these
more detailed topics. Can anyone help, or point me to somewhere I can learn
mor about this stuff.

Many thanks,
Paul

Author
9 Feb 2009 12:46 AM
Jack (MVP-Networking).
Hi
1. You can easily create a setting that would decide what the preference is
if the connections are available.
Here how, http://www.ezlan.net/metrics.html.
2.  If the Wireless is On and No computer is actively using it nothing is
taken from the Internet Bandwidth “Speed”.  I.e. even if the laptop is On
and connected to the Wireless it does not take any thing of the system if
you are not doing anything  Network related.
Make sure that your Wireless is secure so other people cannot log into it.
Wireless Security -  http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
3. The wire and the wireless are connected together inside the Router.
Many computers can use both the wire and the wireless at the same time.  All
the computers that are using the same Wireless Router (wire or Wireless) are
connected to the same LAN.
Since they are sharing one Internet connection while they are using the
Internet the Bandwidth (“Speed” ) would be split between them.
To actually exchange info between the computers (wire or wireless does not
matter) you have to configure on each computer the File Sharing.
File Sharing: http://www.ezlan.net/sharing.html
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)


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"polomora" <polom***@gmail1.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I have a question about using the wireless capabilities of my
> wired/wireless LAN.
>
> Normally, I use the wired connections to my home router for all my
> networking needs. Sometimes, when watching the TV, I like to surf the web
> at the same time using my laptop's wireless connection. To do this, I
> first enable my router's wireless access and then enable my laptop's
> wireless connection.
>
> It all work very well, but I have some questions, just to fill in my
> knowledge gaps.
>
> - If I leave the wireless connection enabled, and reattach the laptop to
> the wired LAN, how does the laptop know which connection - wired or
> wireless - to use. I assume that the two modems have separate metrics
> configured, but I haven't been able to find where.
>
> - If I switch off the laptop's wireless modem, but leave the router's
> wireless access enabled, is all LAN traffic on the wired LAN segment also
> broadcast onto the wireless LAN segment? Is the router's wired and
> wireless accesses considered to be across two separate LAN segments? I
> assume not, since the wireless connection gets its IP address from the
> router from the same address range as the wired connection.
>
> - If I bridge the wired and wireless connections together, what does this
> mean in the case, where both connections are accessing the same LAN?
>
> I've been searching the web for answers to these questions. Lots of
> tutorials about setting up  a home network, but no information about these
> more detailed topics. Can anyone help, or point me to somewhere I can
> learn mor about this stuff.
>
> Many thanks,
> Paul
>
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Author
9 Feb 2009 6:36 AM
James Egan
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 00:41:30 +0100, "polomora" <polom***@gmail1.com>
wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I have a question about using the wireless capabilities of my wired/wireless
>LAN.
>
>Normally, I use the wired connections to my home router for all my
>networking needs. Sometimes, when watching the TV, I like to surf the web at
>the same time using my laptop's wireless connection. To do this, I first
>enable my router's wireless access and then enable my laptop's wireless
>connection.
>
>It all work very well, but I have some questions, just to fill in my
>knowledge gaps.
>
>- If I leave the wireless connection enabled, and reattach the laptop to the
>wired LAN, how does the laptop know which connection - wired or wireless -
>to use. I assume that the two modems have separate metrics configured, but I
>haven't been able to find where.

The wired will be used in preference. It will have a lower metric. You
can set manual metrics in the tcp/ip properties.


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>
>- If I switch off the laptop's wireless modem, but leave the router's
>wireless access enabled, is all LAN traffic on the wired LAN segment also
>broadcast onto the wireless LAN segment? Is the router's wired and wireless
>accesses considered to be across two separate LAN segments? I assume not,
>since the wireless connection gets its IP address from the router from the
>same address range as the wired connection.
>
>- If I bridge the wired and wireless connections together, what does this
>mean in the case, where both connections are accessing the same LAN?
>
>I've been searching the web for answers to these questions. Lots of
>tutorials about setting up  a home network, but no information about these
>more detailed topics. Can anyone help, or point me to somewhere I can learn
>mor about this stuff.
>


There are some tutorials on the dd-wrt website which describe setting
up wireless clients, bridges, repeaters, bridge repeaters etc.

Although these tutorials relate particularly to using dd-wrt they are
quite informative generally.
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Tutorials


Jim.
Author
9 Feb 2009 7:47 PM
Paul Moore
Thanks for the replies, Jack and James.

For point 2: Does that mean that activity across the wired LAN is also
broadcast on the wireless section of the LAN, even if no PC is connected to
it?

I have two more questions.

4. At work, I can access two separate LANs from my laptop. The corporate LAN
130.x.x.x is accessed with the wired LAN connection, and a separate test LAN
192.168.x.x is accessed with the wireless LAN connection. If I ping a node
on the 192.x.x.x LAN either from a Cmd window or from Cygwin, how does
Windows know which connection to use?

5. If I bridge the two connections, what will happen?  I suppose it
shouldn't work, since the IP address ranges on the two LAN segemnts are
different?

Regards,
Paul

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"polomora" <polom***@gmail1.com> wrote in message
news:J4Kjl.23585$Nn6.1416@newsfe03.ams2...
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about using the wireless capabilities of my
> wired/wireless LAN.
>
> Normally, I use the wired connections to my home router for all my
> networking needs. Sometimes, when watching the TV, I like to surf the web
> at the same time using my laptop's wireless connection. To do this, I
> first enable my router's wireless access and then enable my laptop's
> wireless connection.
>
> It all work very well, but I have some questions, just to fill in my
> knowledge gaps.
>
> - If I leave the wireless connection enabled, and reattach the laptop to
> the wired LAN, how does the laptop know which connection - wired or
> wireless - to use. I assume that the two modems have separate metrics
> configured, but I haven't been able to find where.
>
> - If I switch off the laptop's wireless modem, but leave the router's
> wireless access enabled, is all LAN traffic on the wired LAN segment also
> broadcast onto the wireless LAN segment? Is the router's wired and
> wireless accesses considered to be across two separate LAN segments? I
> assume not, since the wireless connection gets its IP address from the
> router from the same address range as the wired connection.
>
> - If I bridge the wired and wireless connections together, what does this
> mean in the case, where both connections are accessing the same LAN?
>
> I've been searching the web for answers to these questions. Lots of
> tutorials about setting up  a home network, but no information about these
> more detailed topics. Can anyone help, or point me to somewhere I can
> learn mor about this stuff.
>
> Many thanks,
> Paul
>
Author
9 Feb 2009 8:36 PM
Jack (MVP-Networking).
Hi
Broadcast is No the correct term.
In the Router the Internet Signal comes internally out of the Routing
circuits and it connected to both the Switch (Wire connections) and the
Wireless Access Point.
I.a. as long as the Wireless part of the Router is On the signal is there
been ready to be used.  The only thing that a an Access Point Broadcasts
when it is idling is its ID name (SSID), those are the name that you see in
the Wireless Connection Windows when you choose a connection.  When an
external computer choose to connect to the SSID and the traffic starts to
flow the Internet signal is available to be used. I.e. the water is Not
flowing all the time they flow when you open the faucet. ;)
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)

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"Paul Moore" <pauldotmo***@pandora.be> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the replies, Jack and James.
>
> For point 2: Does that mean that activity across the wired LAN is also
> broadcast on the wireless section of the LAN, even if no PC is connected
> to it?
>
> I have two more questions.
>
> 4. At work, I can access two separate LANs from my laptop. The corporate
> LAN 130.x.x.x is accessed with the wired LAN connection, and a separate
> test LAN 192.168.x.x is accessed with the wireless LAN connection. If I
> ping a node on the 192.x.x.x LAN either from a Cmd window or from Cygwin,
> how does Windows know which connection to use?
>
> 5. If I bridge the two connections, what will happen?  I suppose it
> shouldn't work, since the IP address ranges on the two LAN segemnts are
> different?
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
> "polomora" <polom***@gmail1.com> wrote in message
> news:J4Kjl.23585$Nn6.1416@newsfe03.ams2...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a question about using the wireless capabilities of my
>> wired/wireless LAN.
>>
>> Normally, I use the wired connections to my home router for all my
>> networking needs. Sometimes, when watching the TV, I like to surf the web
>> at the same time using my laptop's wireless connection. To do this, I
>> first enable my router's wireless access and then enable my laptop's
>> wireless connection.
>>
>> It all work very well, but I have some questions, just to fill in my
>> knowledge gaps.
>>
>> - If I leave the wireless connection enabled, and reattach the laptop to
>> the wired LAN, how does the laptop know which connection - wired or
>> wireless - to use. I assume that the two modems have separate metrics
>> configured, but I haven't been able to find where.
>>
>> - If I switch off the laptop's wireless modem, but leave the router's
>> wireless access enabled, is all LAN traffic on the wired LAN segment also
>> broadcast onto the wireless LAN segment? Is the router's wired and
>> wireless accesses considered to be across two separate LAN segments? I
>> assume not, since the wireless connection gets its IP address from the
>> router from the same address range as the wired connection.
>>
>> - If I bridge the wired and wireless connections together, what does this
>> mean in the case, where both connections are accessing the same LAN?
>>
>> I've been searching the web for answers to these questions. Lots of
>> tutorials about setting up  a home network, but no information about
>> these more detailed topics. Can anyone help, or point me to somewhere I
>> can learn mor about this stuff.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>
>
Author
10 Feb 2009 11:09 AM
James Egan
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:47:57 +0100, "Paul Moore"
<pauldotmo***@pandora.be> wrote:

>For point 2: Does that mean that activity across the wired LAN is also
>broadcast on the wireless section of the LAN, even if no PC is connected to
>it?
>

No.


>I have two more questions.
>
>4. At work, I can access two separate LANs from my laptop. The corporate LAN
>130.x.x.x is accessed with the wired LAN connection, and a separate test LAN
>192.168.x.x is accessed with the wireless LAN connection. If I ping a node
>on the 192.x.x.x LAN either from a Cmd window or from Cygwin, how does
>Windows know which connection to use?
>

It looks in the routing table which will tell it which of the two
interfaces to use. Type "route print" to see the routing table.


>5. If I bridge the two connections, what will happen?  I suppose it
>shouldn't work, since the IP address ranges on the two LAN segemnts are
>different?

That's right.

There is nothing to stop you routing packets between the two
interfaces to put your other wireless workstations on the Internet via
the wired connection (or whatever) but bridging isn't the way to do
it.


Jim.
Author
10 Feb 2009 10:25 PM
Paul Moore
Jack and James, thanks again.

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"Paul Moore" <pauldotmo***@pandora.be> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the replies, Jack and James.
>
> For point 2: Does that mean that activity across the wired LAN is also
> broadcast on the wireless section of the LAN, even if no PC is connected
> to it?
>
> I have two more questions.
>
> 4. At work, I can access two separate LANs from my laptop. The corporate
> LAN 130.x.x.x is accessed with the wired LAN connection, and a separate
> test LAN 192.168.x.x is accessed with the wireless LAN connection. If I
> ping a node on the 192.x.x.x LAN either from a Cmd window or from Cygwin,
> how does Windows know which connection to use?
>
> 5. If I bridge the two connections, what will happen?  I suppose it
> shouldn't work, since the IP address ranges on the two LAN segemnts are
> different?
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
> "polomora" <polom***@gmail1.com> wrote in message
> news:J4Kjl.23585$Nn6.1416@newsfe03.ams2...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a question about using the wireless capabilities of my
>> wired/wireless LAN.
>>
>> Normally, I use the wired connections to my home router for all my
>> networking needs. Sometimes, when watching the TV, I like to surf the web
>> at the same time using my laptop's wireless connection. To do this, I
>> first enable my router's wireless access and then enable my laptop's
>> wireless connection.
>>
>> It all work very well, but I have some questions, just to fill in my
>> knowledge gaps.
>>
>> - If I leave the wireless connection enabled, and reattach the laptop to
>> the wired LAN, how does the laptop know which connection - wired or
>> wireless - to use. I assume that the two modems have separate metrics
>> configured, but I haven't been able to find where.
>>
>> - If I switch off the laptop's wireless modem, but leave the router's
>> wireless access enabled, is all LAN traffic on the wired LAN segment also
>> broadcast onto the wireless LAN segment? Is the router's wired and
>> wireless accesses considered to be across two separate LAN segments? I
>> assume not, since the wireless connection gets its IP address from the
>> router from the same address range as the wired connection.
>>
>> - If I bridge the wired and wireless connections together, what does this
>> mean in the case, where both connections are accessing the same LAN?
>>
>> I've been searching the web for answers to these questions. Lots of
>> tutorials about setting up  a home network, but no information about
>> these more detailed topics. Can anyone help, or point me to somewhere I
>> can learn mor about this stuff.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Paul
>>
>
>

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