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Wireless networks with Hidden SSID'sIs there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that have
already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" listing under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with non-broadcast SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected to, do show up fine. Thanks No Dice
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"no dice" wrote: If you open the advanced config link, the older (pre-SP2) dialog box woud > Is there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that have > already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" listing > under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". > > We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with non-broadcast > SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. > > Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected to, do > show up fine. > > Thanks > > No Dice show up. Do you see there, in the lower pane, all your pre-configured networks? --PA Yes, both show up under "advanced" but only the active network will show up
under "choose a wireless network". This isn't a problem for some of the more advanced users but novices might "get lost". :) Show quoteHide quote "Pavel A." wrote: > "no dice" wrote: > > Is there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that have > > already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" listing > > under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". > > > > We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with non-broadcast > > SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. > > > > Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected to, do > > show up fine. > > > > Thanks > > > > No Dice > > If you open the advanced config link, the older (pre-SP2) dialog box woud > show up. > Do you see there, in the lower pane, all your pre-configured networks? > > --PA > > Hi
What would you like to see if there is No Broadcast of SSID. No SSID No show. (The telephone does not ring if No one is calling.) "Hiding" the SSID is providing a false sense of security. SSID is in the beacon and the probe management part of the signal, it is not encrypted and goes over the air in clear text. Turning off the broadcast of he SSID does not prevent getting the SSID; since the SSID is sent in the clear in the probe message when ever a client associates to an AP, a Sniffer just has to wait until you use your Wireless and he would see the SSID. So what all of this mean. SSID Off will not hide you from your neighbors since the probability is that within few days there would be occurrences that you are using your Wireless while they do too. If you use encryption turning SSID Off is useless since any one who can break encryption will find your SSID in seconds. Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html WEP, WPA, and the Future - http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html Wireless Segregation: http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html Jack (MVP-Networking) Show quoteHide quote "no dice" <nod***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:5F1CE557-97BE-4438-BE13-57441B947BF5@microsoft.com... > Yes, both show up under "advanced" but only the active network will show up > under "choose a wireless network". > > This isn't a problem for some of the more advanced users but novices might > "get lost". :) > > "Pavel A." wrote: > > > "no dice" wrote: > > > Is there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that have > > > already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" listing > > > under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". > > > > > > We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with non-broadcast > > > SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. > > > > > > Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected to, do > > > show up fine. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > No Dice > > > > If you open the advanced config link, the older (pre-SP2) dialog box woud > > show up. > > Do you see there, in the lower pane, all your pre-configured networks? > > > > --PA > > > > Jack wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Hi Jack... are you saying that my "turned off" SSID will show up on a neighbors> What would you like to see if there is No Broadcast of SSID. > > No SSID No show. (The telephone does not ring if No one is calling.) > > "Hiding" the SSID is providing a false sense of security. > > SSID is in the beacon and the probe management part of the signal, it is not > encrypted and goes over the air in clear text. > > Turning off the broadcast of he SSID does not prevent getting the SSID; > since the SSID is sent in the clear in the probe message when ever a client > associates to an AP, a Sniffer just has to wait until you use your Wireless > and he would see the SSID. > > So what all of this mean. > > SSID Off will not hide you from your neighbors since the probability is that > within few days there would be occurrences that you are using your Wireless > while they do too. list of available wireless networks if the neighbor happens to scan for available wireless networks at any moment I am active on my wireless network? Or, are you saying that the neighbor would have to be using a "sniffer" to see the SSID at this time? Show quoteHide quote > > If you use encryption turning SSID Off is useless since any one who can > break encryption will find your SSID in seconds. > > Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html > > WEP, WPA, and the Future - http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html > > Wireless Segregation: http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html > > Jack (MVP-Networking) > > > > > "no dice" <nod***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:5F1CE557-97BE-4438-BE13-57441B947BF5@microsoft.com... >> Yes, both show up under "advanced" but only the active network will show up >> under "choose a wireless network". >> >> This isn't a problem for some of the more advanced users but novices might >> "get lost". :) >> >> "Pavel A." wrote: >> >>> "no dice" wrote: >>>> Is there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that have >>>> already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" >>>> listing under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". >>>> >>>> We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with non-broadcast >>>> SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. >>>> >>>> Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected to, do >>>> show up fine. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> No Dice >>> >>> If you open the advanced config link, the older (pre-SP2) dialog box woud >>> show up. >>> Do you see there, in the lower pane, all your pre-configured networks? >>> >>> --PA Nevertheless, people often prefer hidden APs, so even Microsoft eventually
recognized their right to exist. The latest WPA2 compatible driver spec provides a clean, documented way to specify hidden SSIDs: the netcard driver should make active scan for these. --PA What I would like to see is a listing of all of the networks that I have
previously setup on the computer and that are currently available. I'm not concerned about "hidden" networks that haven't been setup on a computer but only would like to see those that available without having to go into the advanced setup. An example is the building that I am currently working in which has a corporate wireless network and a secondary network that we use for testing. Both have hidden SSID's, both are available (ie keys are set, etc etc), but only the currently active network shows up under "Wireless Network Connection" window. Ideally this window should let me pick the wireless network I want to connect to. Right now the only way I can do this is to go into the advanced properties for the network connection. Not a problem for me, but this may be a challenge for some users. Thanks for all those who responded! no dice Show quoteHide quote "Jack" wrote: > Hi > What would you like to see if there is No Broadcast of SSID. > > No SSID No show. (The telephone does not ring if No one is calling.) > > "Hiding" the SSID is providing a false sense of security. > > SSID is in the beacon and the probe management part of the signal, it is not > encrypted and goes over the air in clear text. > > Turning off the broadcast of he SSID does not prevent getting the SSID; > since the SSID is sent in the clear in the probe message when ever a client > associates to an AP, a Sniffer just has to wait until you use your Wireless > and he would see the SSID. > > So what all of this mean. > > SSID Off will not hide you from your neighbors since the probability is that > within few days there would be occurrences that you are using your Wireless > while they do too. > > If you use encryption turning SSID Off is useless since any one who can > break encryption will find your SSID in seconds. > > Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html > > WEP, WPA, and the Future - http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html > > Wireless Segregation: http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html > > Jack (MVP-Networking) > > > > > "no dice" <nod***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:5F1CE557-97BE-4438-BE13-57441B947BF5@microsoft.com... > > Yes, both show up under "advanced" but only the active network will show > up > > under "choose a wireless network". > > > > This isn't a problem for some of the more advanced users but novices might > > "get lost". :) > > > > "Pavel A." wrote: > > > > > "no dice" wrote: > > > > Is there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that > have > > > > already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" > listing > > > > under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". > > > > > > > > We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with > non-broadcast > > > > SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. > > > > > > > > Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected > to, do > > > > show up fine. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > No Dice > > > > > > If you open the advanced config link, the older (pre-SP2) dialog box > woud > > > show up. > > > Do you see there, in the lower pane, all your pre-configured networks? > > > > > > --PA > > > > > > > > > "no dice" <nod***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:71186AAD-4092-4D8B-A93A-F1F932869C7A@microsoft.com... This is possible only with the a wi-fi driver written to the latest spec> What I would like to see is a listing of all of the networks that I have > previously setup on the computer and that are currently available. (supports active scan list) or with a custom driver and it's managenent software. --PA "no dice" <nod***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:5F1CE557-97BE-4438-BE13-57441B947BF5@microsoft.com... This is the life... Thanks to the MVPs!> Yes, both show up under "advanced" but only the active network will show up > under "choose a wireless network". > > This isn't a problem for some of the more advanced users but novices might > "get lost". :) Although your current SSID is hidden, it is always visible to you. This is an artifact created by your netcard driver and Windows. Others still don't see it unless they somehow know the SSID and try to connect to it. (they can learn it, for example, by sniffing your traffic) You also don't see other hidden SSIDs until you actively try to connect to them. --PA Show quoteHide quote > "Pavel A." wrote: > > > "no dice" wrote: > > > Is there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that have > > > already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" listing > > > under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". > > > > > > We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with non-broadcast > > > SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. > > > > > > Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected to, do > > > show up fine. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > No Dice > > > > If you open the advanced config link, the older (pre-SP2) dialog box woud > > show up. > > Do you see there, in the lower pane, all your pre-configured networks? > > > > --PA > > > > It won't show up unless the SSID is being broadcast. However, if all the
other networks are setup in the "advanced", the PC should try to connect based on the order in the "Advanced", and it should connect to the first one that it can access. If there are more than one available, and the SSIDs are not being broadcast, the PC will connect to them based on the order in the Advanced section; there is no other option. Show quoteHide quote "no dice" <nod***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:5F1CE557-97BE-4438-BE13-57441B947BF5@microsoft.com... > Yes, both show up under "advanced" but only the active network will show > up > under "choose a wireless network". > > This isn't a problem for some of the more advanced users but novices might > "get lost". :) > > "Pavel A." wrote: > >> "no dice" wrote: >> > Is there a way to get WinXP SP2 to show all the known networks that >> > have >> > already been set up on a computer in the "Choose a Wireless Network" >> > listing >> > under the "Wireless Network Connection Window". >> > >> > We have several networks that we setup on our notebooks with >> > non-broadcast >> > SSID's and it would be nice to be able to select them from this menu. >> > >> > Networks with broadcasted ssid's and any network currently connected >> > to, do >> > show up fine. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > No Dice >> >> If you open the advanced config link, the older (pre-SP2) dialog box woud >> show up. >> Do you see there, in the lower pane, all your pre-configured networks? >> >> --PA >> >> Yesterday I bought a Linksys WAG54G Wireless-G ADSL Gateway and a Wireless-G
adapter at Comet. I wanted to set up a wireless network for my laptops Soy Vaio and top range Packard bell. I am on AOL Platinum and my operating system is XP. I tried the quick set up - conection protocol - PPoA, VPI - 0, VCI - 38. I even set up new screen name and remembered to use lower case for name and password and included @aol.com afterscreen name. No joy! I phoned the Linksys technical helpline and was on for 35 minutes but that didn't work either and the technical assistant gave up on me. I have tried all day today but still no joy. Sometimes I can get a network established but can't get the internet. This is so frustrating. The wireless network (when established is good but why oh why can't I get AOL or internet explorer?). I am not an expert but am not completely computer illiterate. Can someone give me step by step instructions as to how to set up a wireless network and get AOL and iternet explorer. PLEASE My e-mail address is Ronnied***@aol.com -- Cheers Ronnie 
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